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shpankey
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they'll be watching... the waterfalls are always watching.op_ivy said:
p.s. why anyone would want to play this on the PC when the x360 is graphically and audioly (<-- is that a word? haha) superior is beyond me. unless you don't have a good tv or whatever. i guess for mods and whatnot, but i always find that these mods for games like this completely suck.
for me, playing in widescreen HDTV in dolby digital 5.1 surround from the comfort of my recliner and taking in all that this game has to offer is what it's all about.
krypt0nian
Banned
Shaheed79 said:
Earlier Steve said:
SteveMeister said:
Hitler Stole My Potato
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Did anyone get some videos of this in action and if so where the hell are they?
gamespot has a dev interview with some footage.
i'm surprised no one has mentioned this but, WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE SOFT SHADOWS?
the guy plays around with the chains and the bones on the floor like in the "4 month old" video, but this time there is no shadows cast by these objects
i'm surprised no one has mentioned this but, WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE SOFT SHADOWS?
the guy plays around with the chains and the bones on the floor like in the "4 month old" video, but this time there is no shadows cast by these objects
krypt0nian said:
Ok thanks. Still wait and see then. If this game requires a $400 dollar video card to look as good as the 360 version then I'll have to get me a tard-pack or something. Sounds like they fixed every single legitimate gripe with Morrowind while bringing back some of my favorite aspects of Daggerfall.
Lionhead needs to buy this game and make it their bible.
EDIT: I gotta admit this game would be cool with the rev controller. Nintendo are the real retards for not seeking out top-notch western talent like Bethesda.
krypt0nian
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op_ivy said:gamespot has a dev interview with some footage.
i'm surprised no one has mentioned this but, WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE SOFT SHADOWS?
the guy plays around with the chains and the bones on the floor like in the "4 month old" video, but this time there is no shadows cast by these objects
Wow, just went back and verified this on the vids and you're right.....maybe they switched them off for the X05 demo for better framerate til they re-impliment for final builds?
shpankey
not an idiot
i was under the impression that the x360 version is graphically superior, period. no matter what system you have (?). even though it is only "slight". add to that a supposedly locked 60fps. some things i heard though were a farther draw distance and some other extra effects (parallax mapping perhaps? just guessing here).Shaheed79 said:
shpankey said:
Talking out your arse, mate. The TES construction set is an incredibly powerful toolset, and there were a large number of awesome mods for morrowind.
For me, PC is the only way to go. If the modding community responds to this in a way that is at all like the way they did for morrowind we will see some awesome stuff.
shpankey said:
Well like Zensetsu said I myself who have been a fan of the ES series since the Arena days would prefer not only the mouse and keyboard but the incredible word editors they package in with the PC version. So unless there is a reasonable difference in graphical quality between the 360 and PC versions then I would much rather go with PC version if only for the mod possibilities. Not knocking the 360 version at all because ANY ES game is enough to last anyone a short life time but the best version for me would be a mix of the best graphics and better options. Not to mention this might possibly be the only version of ES we see for quite some time barring any expansion packs.
Well for starters, "games like these"....How many games like this have you played?
Morrowind is the only game I can think of that is anything "like" this, and there is no denying the vibrant and high-quality work that was created by its fan base. I posted on the official bethesda morrowind boards for a while, there was some really awesome stuff going around. Total-conversions, new islands and continents, all sorts of graphical updates, not to mention some interesting AI stuff and stacks of quests, buildings and interesting custom items and npc's.
Sure, there was a degree of shit stuff too, but by and large I was continually impressed by the user created content.
The only other game I can think of in the same sort of situation would be Neverwinter Nights, and that too saw some really high quality user created content...of course there was some crap around, but there was also some pure gold.
Morrowind is the only game I can think of that is anything "like" this, and there is no denying the vibrant and high-quality work that was created by its fan base. I posted on the official bethesda morrowind boards for a while, there was some really awesome stuff going around. Total-conversions, new islands and continents, all sorts of graphical updates, not to mention some interesting AI stuff and stacks of quests, buildings and interesting custom items and npc's.
Sure, there was a degree of shit stuff too, but by and large I was continually impressed by the user created content.
The only other game I can think of in the same sort of situation would be Neverwinter Nights, and that too saw some really high quality user created content...of course there was some crap around, but there was also some pure gold.
FallenOne666
Banned
shpankey said:
None of that is confirmed. Until today, the 360 version was never shown outside of photos. From the brief glimpse we got, the difference is not huge at all. If a 9800Pro (pretty cheap card low 100s) with 1 gb ram can run the game at medium quality (this is the rig used by most of the devs at Beth) then a 6800 or x800 card would probably look a lot better than the 360 version.
Cold-Steel
Member
brandonh83 said:
:lol :lol :lol I can't get over his expression.....LOL...
shpankey
not an idiot
how so? i don't think that works considering that the x360 doesn't use a 9800 pro and is not going to be running at medium quality. and the x360 card is beyond both of those higher end video cards you list, so i don't get what you're saying. how will the pc version with a 6800 look better than the x360 version exactly?FallenOne666 said:
Cold-Steel
Member
Is it just me, or has it crossed anyone's mind here that this game is perfect for the Revolution controller? 
Project Midway
Member
Are you sure about that? a lot better?FallenOne666 said:
krypt0nian
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Cold-Steel said:Is it just me, or has it crossed anyone's mind here that this game is perfect for the Revolution controller?
But not so much for the horsepower it most likely lacks...
FallenOne666
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shpankey said:
You wrongly assume the full power of the Xbox360 GPU will be used. It won't be. This is a first-gen launch game and a multi-platform one at that (meaning, it's not built around the 360 GPU but rather one closer to the 9800Pro I mentioned). A high-end card (and Pete, one of the creators, considers 6800 and x800 high-end and a 9800pro to be mid-range) will be very comparable to the 360 version and has more than enough potential to surpass it.
The PC gamers' benefit is that they have room to tweak the settings and get the game running perfectly themselves. The 360 is reliant on the devs getting it locked and solid. If the port is bad (ie. stuttering, loading, crashing issues like Morrowind) then you have no choice but to deal with it. And again, like I said, this is a first-gen game and Beth (or anyone for that matter) has not mastered or even fully learned how to harness all the 360 architecture.
That said, I have no doubt the 360 version will be awesome, but don't doubt the PC. Simply pointing to spec sheets proves nothing.
FallenOne666
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Project Midway said:
Well not drastically different, but the potential is definitely there to go up and above the 360 version.
krypt0nian
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FallenOne666 said:
Its already been stated that the 360 is the lead platform for this, if I'm not mistaken. And adding to that, that the 360 version would have better visuals as it is one locked set of stats and could be completely maximized for it, rather than having to work with every set of possible PC setups.
shpankey
not an idiot
I assume no such thing. But I still don't get what you're saying. Are you now trying to say that they won't use the x360 video card but will use special features of the 6800 PC card and this will make it better? I mean, you said "6800 [on the PC] would probably look a lot better than the 360 version". A lot better? How? The x360 GPU can do everything those older two cards can do, plus more. So even if they maxed out a 6800 or x800, the x360 GPU could handle all that too. You can't look a lot better for no reason. Sorry, but I don't think you understand what you're saying bro.FallenOne666 said:
FallenOne666
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shpankey said:
You didn't read anything other than that one quote, did you? :lol I misspoke slightly. As I corrected myself, I meant it certainly has the potential to look better. It's not the end all be all situation you are describing. I listed many reasons why already, so please reread the posts.
shpankey
not an idiot
I am not the one describing anything. I only asked you how you [in your own words] thought a 6800 PC system would probably look a lot better than x360. And yes I read your whole post. You spoke about tweaking it to get it to perhaps run better... or maybe some other tweaks... though I know of no tweaks that could make a game look a lot better (unless you are talking image quality stuff like AA/AF, which x360 already has too)... most tweaks I know are to get a game to run better, so then you can turn up/on more graphical features while keeping up a decent framerate.FallenOne666 said:You didn't read anything other than that one quote, did you? :lol I misspoke slightly. As I corrected myself, I meant it certainly has the potential to look better. It's not the end all be all situation you are describing. I listed many reasons why already, so please reread the posts.
But since the x360 game is running with all effects already on, and it will supposedly have a locked 60fps, and we already know all x360 games will have 4x FSAA and 8x AF (for free, due to the GPU and special memory for just that), what kind of tweaks are you going to do that will make it better? There are no tweaks that add content. At best, you would be lucky (very lucky indeed) to get a 6800/x800 PC to look as good as the x360... and even that, I seriously doubt. You do realize the GPU in the x360 is a few generations beyond those you're listing don't you?
krypt0nian
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shpankey said:
I thought this was accepted knowledge? In fact there was a thread asking when PC tech would catch up and no one said "now" :lol
krypt0nian said:But not so much for the horsepower it most likely lacks...
Depending on the PC requirements I would say that the Rev wouldn't have too much of a problem at all doing Oblivion in high detail especially if it only displays in 480p. Its not like Oblivion is pushing the 360 hardware to its limits or anything and the Tech in Rev should be superior to most if not all of the current high-end video cards available right now. The only legitimate possibility that could hinder a Rev port is if Nintendo goes with only 256MB of memory instead of 512 then that would most likely make a Rev version impossible to do. But as far as power is concerned if a moderately powered PC can run this game smoothly on high settings a month from now then Rev most certainly will be able to so using Hollywood and Broadway.
But I agree that the Rev nunchuk controller would be damn near ideal for combat in this type of game especially when you consider how the mouse was used.
shpankey said:
Yeah as long as they delegate sword slashes and spells to small flicks of the wrist then I think it could work quite well without becoming a hassle. I always felt that analog combat as seen in games as early as Ape Escape had a very high potential to make combat a lot more deep and involving in what would otherwise be a pretty standard combat system. It all depends on implementation though as unless it is implemented correctly, a Rev version could end up being no better or worse than the 360 version (not that the 360 versions combat is flawed in any way, shape or form).
Lol thats the only thing I'm not so sure about. N-boys can be a real finicky bunch especially concerning non-japanese made games they rarely give western developers much love at all. I personally would like to see how Oblivion would turn out using the Rev controller for free form spells and combat or maybe even a unique way of thieving just to satisfy my curiosity but as far as sales are concerned Bethesda definitely chose the right next-gen console for Oblivions lead platform. Morrowind and Morrowind:GOTYE did great on Xbox (even outselling the PC versions) and thats where most of the fanbase currently resides. IMO Oblivion is one of the games that MS should push as their flagship launch title instead of PDZ as it is more than worthy of a multi-million dollar television add campaign.
eso76
Member
Shaheed79 said:
Yeah, the problem with MS is it seems completely clueless about games.
I can't believe it took people's reaction to pdz showing at the mtv awards for them to realize how bad the game looked, and they are still unable to do some quality control over what they are going to show at their press events.
PDZ still looks ridiculous and it's being pushed as the next Halo, which leads me to believe they were just VERY lucky that Halo turned out so good, i don't think they really had an idea of its quality.
Btw, i need some Oblivion footage. And...how's the draw distance again ?
SteveMeister
Hang out with Steve.
Shadows -- the graphics guys are still working on optimizations, so my guess is that they were turned off for the demo.
Draw distance -- depends on the weather. On a clear day, you can pretty much see forever, if you're up high enough. Mountains & cities in the distance, etc.
Draw distance -- depends on the weather. On a clear day, you can pretty much see forever, if you're up high enough. Mountains & cities in the distance, etc.
Apharmd Battler
Member
Stinkles said:
That one made me spit my drink! :lol I should not browse this forum while at work!! My co-workers think I'm insane, but how else better to waste time before a meeting.
I can't wait to get my hand on this puppy. My only problem is which of the 6-8 XBox360 launch titles am I going to play first. I have enjoyed al the Elder Scrolls games, and I loved the heck out or Morrwind. This game could be a godsend to fans of the series. On a side note, I'm still amazed at the fanbase and community for Edler Scrolls 3: Morrowind, it's still one of the top ten XBox message boards over at Gamefaqs.com (and that's just the console version). I expect this game to also have suchlong lasting impact. Thank you Bethesda!!!
Now I'm curious as to sales of Morrowind on the XBox (both versions) and the PC version.
Musashi Wins!
FLAWLESS VICTOLY!
This is the launch game for me. Go ahead 360, have a post launch drought <pats Oblivion case>.
Diseased Yak
Gold Member
All I want to know is, can I make a Daedra Heart blanket? I had so much fun in Morrowind filling up my Hlaalu-supplied house with random stuff. I ended up collecting Daedra Hearts and placing them side-by-side on my bed until I had the whole bed covered. Wish I could find those screenshots...
I also had a bookcase completely filled with skulls, and my table downstairs was covered with one of every type of sword found in the game, even the flaming wicked-looking swords found in Tribunal.
Fun times, I miss Morrowind... Maybe I'll fire it up again in anticipation of Oblivion. I love you Bethesda!
Nate
I also had a bookcase completely filled with skulls, and my table downstairs was covered with one of every type of sword found in the game, even the flaming wicked-looking swords found in Tribunal.
Fun times, I miss Morrowind... Maybe I'll fire it up again in anticipation of Oblivion. I love you Bethesda!
Nate
Musashi Wins!
FLAWLESS VICTOLY!
Speevy said:1) Too Human 1
2) Mass Effect 1
3) Chrome Hounds
4) Gears of War
5) Dead Rising
6) The Outfit
7) RE5
8) Sonic Next
9) Splinter Cell 4
10) 99 Nights
There's your 2006 drought.
<does happy dance of joy>
Somehow I'll make do.
Stinkles said:
:lol That's the way to start the morning!
OK, I don't normally buy games like this, and a long, drawn-out quest may be the last thing on my mind these days, but maybe I should give it a chance and put it on standby. If you guys are a reasonable polling sample, this game will make greatest hits by spring, no? :lol You'll all have time to tell me how it is when your Christmas trees are full of Microsoft-supported plenty.
Projectjustice
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Im getting this on PC. I cant wait for it!
