why not try it for yourself, the cost of entry is pretty small. i think the sweet spot is getting somewhere around 60fps baseline so you can frame lock it, then x2 that to 120. i'm loving the experience so much i'm actually playing for fun now with full path tracing
what's the relevance of comparing to pssr? this is more than just upscaling, it's about about frame generation and will work on anything displaying on your screen, game or video, for any computer you have or will have in the future. literally a no brainer
As mentioned above, this update is referring to Lossless Scaling Frame Generation. The program name was made when it was just for upscaling and it used FSR1, NiS, etc. It was useful for games that didn't run in fullscreen mode correctly as it could force a windowed game into fullscreen and use a spatial upscaler on it to sharpen it up. LSFG is best used alongside DLSS in my experience. Same with FSR3 FG, but only a few games can mix those options. DLSS 3 FG is the most common FG implementation, but it's locked to RTX 4000 users and only available in a limited amount of games. LSFG is frame generation for everyone.
have you lowered the resolution scale for frame gen? that lowers gpu load with no degradation to image quality
Not yet. I was wanting to get a look at it at the best setting. Will definitely try that out.
If you exclusively play new games with DLSS support like some snobbish ponce, no.
I may grab it just for those purposes
I use it for games that don't support frame gen, which is quite a lot.
The input lag in LSFG3 was definitely reduced compared to LSFG2, but the response times were still nowhere near DLSS FG, so either this input latency chart is wrong or lossless scaling is doing something in the background that makes the mouse movement feel heavy.
i use a gamepad on pc when gaming , no idea how a mouse is with any framegen software
I’m getting 7090 performance on my 4090 thanks to Lossless Scaling. This program just saved me thousands of dollars. Fuck you Jensen and Nvidia lol.
I'm not seeing much difference between all 3 FG techniques, only that DLSS FG is the heaviest out of all the solutions in like-for-like testing in Cyberpunk, R&C, and Wukong(DLSS FG vs FSR3 FG vs LSFG in Cyberpunk and R&C, DLSS FG vs LSFG in Wukong).
I tested the game. I was specifically looking for that camera microstutter during slow camera pans. I saw it, but it was extremely small. DLSS FG however wasnt to blame, because I also saw it without FG.
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). I was finally able to play the game at locked 60fps (with RTSS framerate limiter) and frame delivery was smooth, but at 80fps cap I started seeing dips below 80fps and judder as a result of that.
4080S could just be faster at DLSS and FG than my card. I’m working on a couple videos, and I noticed the strobing and micro stutters in the comparison video. It’s something that could just be relative to the smoothness of the better frame paces LSFG footage. On its own and in real time it might just see normal. I think it’s inter-frame latency like the olden days of SLI and Crossfire.I tested the game. I was specifically looking for that camera microstutter during slow camera pans. I saw it, but it was extremely small. DLSS FG however wasnt to blame, because I also saw it without FG.
In Black Myth Wukong I see absolutely no difference in smoothness between the real 100fps and the DLSS generated 100fps. I also havent noticed artefacts during actual gameplay (text scrolling in the menu was the only FG artefact I found).
I also tried LSFG3 x2 in this game and there was absolutely no perceptable difference in smoothness compared to native framerate, or DLSS FG, but the input lag was terrible. I stopped pressing the analogue stick on the gamepad and the monkey was still turning
To sum it up, I see no reason to play this game without DLSS FG and I saw no difference between native 100fps frame delivery, or DLSS FG 100fps frame delivery.
Did you undervolt your RTX4060ti or use the power monitoring feature in the MSI Afterburner OSD? Sometimes these settings can cause microstuttering.
BTW. I forgot to mention, but I have updated DLSS and Frame Generation in this game to the latest version. I also turned of motion blur, because this settings created artefacts around the character hair during movement (regardless of the AA / FG settings).
It provides 20x multiplier, so more like 8090
Is that DLSS3 with or without Reflex?
without reflex
www.dsogaming.com
www.eurogamer.net
that eurogamer article is old , LSFG has received good updates since thenWe've tried Lossless Scaling 3.0 with Multi Frame Generation
THS has released a brand new version of the Lossless Scaling program. So, we decided to test it in a number of games, and share our thoughts.
All in all, Lossless Scaling 3.0 is a really cool concept. It can also give us a glimpse at what we might get on the RTX 50 series GPUs once DLSS 4 becomes available. It’s also a nice free Frame Generation tool for games that don’t support DLSS 3 FG or FSR 3.0 FG. Moreover, both its X3 and X4 modes introduce annoying frame pacing issues. While they are cool, they are not as polished as the X2 Mode. Thus, the best mode right now is LSFG 3.0 X2. However, it’s NOWHERE CLOSE to the quality of DLSS 3 or FSR 3.0. And, if you hate DLSS 3, you’ll hate LSFG 3.0 even more.
Frame generation for every game? Lossless Scaling vs FSR 3 and DLSS 3
Alex Battaglia investigates Lossless Scaling, an app that has a new frame generation feature that works on a wide range of GPUs and opens up some unique options
Comparing Lossless Scaling against DLSS 3 and FSR 3 in slowed-down footage, it's possible to see a hierarchy of quality. Lossless Scaling's generated frames have more visible errors taking up more of the screen; FSR 3's use of motion vectors ensures it looks better by a significant margin; while DLSS 3 with its machine learning has even fewer errors than FSR 3. The larger the error, and the more this error is repeated over multiple frames, the more likely you are to notice the discontinuity with the naked eye. Even quite large errors might not be noticeable due to the nature of the stroboscopic effect - where generated frames are bookended by traditionally rendered ones - but they are still there.
TL;DR
For modern titles that offer FSR 3 or DLSS 3 support, I wouldn't recommend Lossless Scaling, as it increases latency and artefacting for little gain. For titles that lack official frame-gen support though, Lossless Scaling is a new and often worthwhile option for boosting visual fluidity despite its drawbacks.
Lots of lag too:
Seems like an inferior solution to DLSS FG - if you care about FG.
DSO Article is from Jan 2025 - worse frametimes and framepacing even with the latest FSFG.
Reading the comments page it seems the author of that article had setup LSFG incorrectly.
What specs for reference?
11700k 32g 3070 8g.
lower the framegen resolution scale
If the screen is big you'll have to sit farther away. Ive sat in front of a 32 inch and found it uncomfortable with fps games. It's about how much of your fov it's covering. Ultimately big screens are diminishing returns past a certain size.Try play on a small ass monitor before saying this.
One thing is compromise the the screen size for mobility, the other is just the screen by itself
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That said, did they fixed the distortion and the hair glitching effects on the LS 3.0?
First review is somethingWe've tried Lossless Scaling 3.0 with Multi Frame Generation
THS has released a brand new version of the Lossless Scaling program. So, we decided to test it in a number of games, and share our thoughts.
All in all, Lossless Scaling 3.0 is a really cool concept. It can also give us a glimpse at what we might get on the RTX 50 series GPUs once DLSS 4 becomes available. It’s also a nice free Frame Generation tool for games that don’t support DLSS 3 FG or FSR 3.0 FG. Moreover, both its X3 and X4 modes introduce annoying frame pacing issues. While they are cool, they are not as polished as the X2 Mode. Thus, the best mode right now is LSFG 3.0 X2. However, it’s NOWHERE CLOSE to the quality of DLSS 3 or FSR 3.0. And, if you hate DLSS 3, you’ll hate LSFG 3.0 even more.
Frame generation for every game? Lossless Scaling vs FSR 3 and DLSS 3
Alex Battaglia investigates Lossless Scaling, an app that has a new frame generation feature that works on a wide range of GPUs and opens up some unique options
Comparing Lossless Scaling against DLSS 3 and FSR 3 in slowed-down footage, it's possible to see a hierarchy of quality. Lossless Scaling's generated frames have more visible errors taking up more of the screen; FSR 3's use of motion vectors ensures it looks better by a significant margin; while DLSS 3 with its machine learning has even fewer errors than FSR 3. The larger the error, and the more this error is repeated over multiple frames, the more likely you are to notice the discontinuity with the naked eye. Even quite large errors might not be noticeable due to the nature of the stroboscopic effect - where generated frames are bookended by traditionally rendered ones - but they are still there.
TL;DR
For modern titles that offer FSR 3 or DLSS 3 support, I wouldn't recommend Lossless Scaling, as it increases latency and artefacting for little gain. For titles that lack official frame-gen support though, Lossless Scaling is a new and often worthwhile option for boosting visual fluidity despite its drawbacks.
Lots of lag too:
Seems like an inferior solution to DLSS FG - if you care about FG.
