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DMC is dead bitches!

yeah

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Relax, it's not DMC5. It's Power Stone 3.

Spoiler

Believe.

 

[hey_it's_that_dog]

I like Heavenly Sword and Enslaved doesn't look bad. why all the woe is me going around in here?

Heavenly Sword's combat was rubbish. So there's that.

 

[UnblessedSoul]

There's a high chance this game will suck, I hope I'm wrong though

 

[Father_Brain]

I'm pretty sure that Capcom execs said the exact opposite: that they'd only use Western developers for existing IPs, rather than new franchises.

This is correct.

Disenchanted with long-distance relationships, Capcom has decided to develop all major new game IP at home in Japan. Company president Haruhiro Tsujimoto said he would drop Western studios entirely if there weren't so many games to make with so few resources.

"Our experience with Bionic Commando has demonstrated the difficulty of outsourcing the development of new titles to overseas companies," said Tsujimoto over Christmas, reported by Kotaku.

"Nevertheless, we cannot develop a sufficient number of titles without using the resources of these companies. This is why we plan to continue using these alliances.

"We are considering ways to separate the roles of activities in Japan and overseas," he added. "We plan to develop new titles primarily in Japan. Overseas companies may be used mostly to develop titles for existing game series with well-established characters and universal themes. Overseas companies will also handle certain parts and/or line-ups of such games."

 

[Mejilan]

I'm prepared for the worst.
Well, not really prepared...

 

[Kaako]

60fps or bust. I'm dead serious, especially for a DMC game.

 

[black_vegeta]

Dear God.

Bye bye DMC

 

[Kyoufu]

Ninja Theory will go down in history for making the first shit odd-numbered DMC game in the series.

Grats Capcom, you just broke your cycle.

 

[Yazuka]

It can't be as bad as DMC2 or 4...right?

I hope not! Haven't played DMC2, but I hated DMC4.
So I guess I'm more or less for them making DMC5, but hey... I'm hoping its something else..

 

[RiZ III]

 

[lightless_shado]

I'm confused. Why are people immediately assuming they're working with capcom? I immediately thought of heavenly sword 2. There's no use in letting that engine go to waste.

 

[LongDongJunon]

I'm sure the game will turn out just fine...

...as long as it has a DAMN JUMP BUTTON

 

[TheFLYINGManga_Ka]

I'm confused. Why are people immediately assuming they're working with capcom? I immediately thought of heavenly sword 2. There's no use in letting that engine go to waste.

I think it's because of all those

Spoiler

NASTY

rumors.

And I think I read Ninja Theory saying they won't make another Heavenly Sword. I know they did say that they won't make a console-exclusive game anymore.

 

[badcrumble]

I'm confused. Why are people immediately assuming they're working with capcom? I immediately thought of heavenly sword 2. There's no use in letting that engine go to waste.

It already went to waste once. Why do it again?

 

[Gravijah]

Do Western devs announce games at TGS that... aren't tied into Japanese things?

 

[TreIII]

Well, shit.

 

[burgerdog]

We have Bayonetta now, I don't care about DMC, but I look forward to seeing the reactions to whatever they have to show.

You assume we'll get Bayonetta sequels!

 

[Crash Station]

I'm confused. Why are people immediately assuming they're working with capcom? I immediately thought of heavenly sword 2. There's no use in letting that engine go to waste.

Wolf Akela summed it up pretty well already.

Ninja Theory bragged about a top-secret project.

GameInformer posts it as a rumor (a good number of their rumors became true).

Capcom's Facebook page says they'll announce 4 new games at TGS.

Ninja Theory just said they'll reveal a new game at TGS.

Inafune said DMC5 is going to have a "western touch".

Capcom was and is outsourcing to western devs.

DMC4 is over 2 years old.

Just put those things together. I'd be very surprised if the announcement wasn't about DMC5.

 

[LongDongJunon]

I'm confused. Why are people immediately assuming they're working with capcom? I immediately thought of heavenly sword 2. There's no use in letting that engine go to waste.

Ninja Theory DMC5 Rumor

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=392697

Inafune wants Western touch in next DMC:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406069&page=5&nojs=1

 

[Kyoufu]

I'm confused. Why are people immediately assuming they're working with capcom? I immediately thought of heavenly sword 2. There's no use in letting that engine go to waste.

The engine was shit

The game was shit

The sales were shit

Why would they make HS2?

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Ninja Theory will go down in history for making the first shit odd-numbered DMC game in the series.

Grats Capcom, you just broke your cycle.

It being odd number was why i was hype :lol
Still all Capcom has to do is send a few people to help out but let NT do the grunt work.

 

[TheKaeptain]

DMC5


Dante with chains and the ability to fire fireballs out of hands. Guns and Swords no longer needed.

 

[alr1ght]

Oh man, Heavenly Sword was a load of trash.

 

[S1kkZ]

if its really dmc5 we will get:
-sub 30 framerate
-unreal engine 3 (unless they make a new engine, since all the h.sword tech is owned by sony)
-andy serkis doing motion capture
-a lot of cutscenes
-simpler combat engine

 

[bloodforge]

I'm curious to see what Ninja Theory can do with DMC, if it is what they are working on.

I enjoyed playing through DMC4. Don't get all the hate.

 

[LongDongJunon]

if its really dmc5 we will get:
-sub 30 framerate
-unreal engine 3 (unless they make a new engine, since all the h.sword tech is owned by sony)
-andy serkis doing motion capture
-a lot of cutscenes
-simpler combat engine

Andy Serkis will mo-cap and voice Sparda.

Delicious.

 

[Empty]

I'm confused. Why are people immediately assuming they're working with capcom? I immediately thought of heavenly sword 2. There's no use in letting that engine go to waste.

On top of the many rumblings over DMC5 being done by them, Ninja Theory said this just last month about HS2.

“We did actually want to do a sequel, and we did pursue that – but we’re not a first party studio, we’re a third party studio, and we knew that over the next few years we’ve got to be releasing multi-platform games.”

“The game Heavenly Sword didn’t sell enough to have a confident sequel, so it would have put ourselves as a development studio in a very precarious situation.”

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/3891/heavenly-sword-2-never-say-never

so it's not that.

 

[Nirolak]

Wolf Akela summed it up pretty well already.

We can add "are only outsourcing well established franchises to Western developers" as well, but yeah, that pretty much covers everything.

 

[Krev]

Okay, I don't like this whole western outsourcing thing, but if the big Japanese studios are going to do it, why do they have to pick such mediocre developers?
I mean, what the fuck convinced Capcom (and Square-Enix, for that matter) that a studio like Grin would do their IP justice? And why are they making the same mistake again?

 

[TheFLYINGManga_Ka]

if its really dmc5 we will get:
-sub 30 framerate
-unreal engine 3 (unless they make a new engine, since all the h.sword tech is owned by sony)
-andy serkis doing motion capture
-a lot of cutscenes
-simpler combat engine
-Lot's and lot's of annoying QTE's

You forgot one!

 

[Gomu Gomu]

Do Western devs announce games at TGS that... aren't tied into Japanese things?

Didn't Bungie announce Halo: ODST (Halo: Recon at the time) at TGS?

 

[Nirolak]

Didn't Bungie announce Halo: ODST (Halo: Recon at the time) at TGS?

That they did.

 

[Xater]

Okay, I don't like this whole western outsourcing thing, but if the big Japanese studios are going to do it, why do they have to pick such mediocre developers?
I mean, what the fuck convinced Capcom (and Square-Enix, for that matter) that a studio like Grin would do their IP justice? And why are they making the same mistake again?

I am pretty sure one of the big issues is money. Alot of the top tier western devs work with big budgets, way more than most Japanese projects, except if your game is called Final Fantasy or Metl Gear Solid.

 

[StealthGoblin]

Hopefully Famitsu has this in it. Then we can begin the mourning period.

 

[Dali]

if its really dmc5 we will get:
-sub 30 framerate
-unreal engine 3 (unless they make a new engine, since all the h.sword tech is owned by sony)
-andy serkis doing motion capture
-a lot of cutscenes
-simpler combat engine

Capcom may let NT use MT 2.01. It's been confirmed that Eighting or whoever is the true developer behind MvC3 is using their engine. Of course all the documentation is probably in Japanese. Also NT doesn't exactly have the standing relationship with Capcom that Eighting has and even if they did, them not being a Japanese company may factor into things.

Yeah, UE3 it is.

 

[Suzzopher]

Hopefully Famitsu has this in it. Then we can begin the mourning period.

:lol

 

[FrankT]

I'm confused. Why are people immediately assuming they're working with capcom? I immediately thought of heavenly sword 2. There's no use in letting that engine go to waste.

Mainly this as linked above from Game Informer;

Loose Talk has learned that Enslaved isn’t the only game Ninja Theory is working on-we’ve heard that the Cambridge, England developer is being tapped for the next Devil May Cry.

It is not totally unexpected, however; Capcom has said that although it is shying away from Western developer for new IP, it would continue to utilize them for known franchises, which DMC certainly is.

They have been pretty solid on the rumors in the last year. They nailed the last one with the Capcom and Namco fighter combo as well. Though all the other stuff previously mentioned adds weight too.

 

[Nirolak]

Okay, I don't like this whole western outsourcing thing, but if the big Japanese studios are going to do it, why do they have to pick such mediocre developers?
I mean, what the fuck convinced Capcom (and Square-Enix, for that matter) that a studio like Grin would do their IP justice? And why are they making the same mistake again?

The biggest Western studios are already signed or owned by major Western publishers and tend to work with their own IP.

Japanese publishers trying to outsource to Western studios essentially have to pick from "the best of the rest".

 

[Scythesurge]

Not too optimistic about this but I'll remain hopeful. I love the DMC games so I would only hope that DMC5 gets the proper treatment and care it deserves!

 

[RefigeKru]

This could actually end up pretty awesome.

But it won't will it.

 

[Totobeni]

. There's no use in letting that engine go to waste.

for the engine part of your post , apparently...Sony own it

"But we couldn't do Heavenly Sword 2 as a multi-platform because it's owned by Sony, the tech we developed for that game is also owned by Sony

so yeah Sony own the Engine , not NT so they can't use it.

 

[RustyNails]

Holy shit so much moaning in this thread.

 

[FoneBone]

Didn't Bungie announce Halo: ODST (Halo: Recon at the time) at TGS?

also wayyyyyyyyyy back in the day Blizzard announced Starcraft: Ghost there. Still it's not very common at all.

 

[V_Ben]

for the engine part of your post , apparently...Sony own it

so yeah Sony own the Engine , not NT so they can't use it.

Unless DMC5 is a PS3 exclusive! DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUN!

 

[Dali]

Okay, I don't like this whole western outsourcing thing, but if the big Japanese studios are going to do it, why do they have to pick such mediocre developers?
I mean, what the fuck convinced Capcom (and Square-Enix, for that matter) that a studio like Grin would do their IP justice? And why are they making the same mistake again?

I think paying top dollar for competent, proven, developers, would defeat part of the reason for outsourcing. Japanese developers have shown they are almost incapable of churning out next-gen games as quickly and efficiently as western developers. Even shitty/mediocre western developers can get it done 'good enough' and quickly enough. The reason they use it on established IP's is because they already have a built in fanbase. So they can cut every corner imaginable, saving all kinds of money along the way, release a sub-par product and still get close to "in-house" developed sales figures.

At least that's probably what the plan is. A plan which I hope blows up in their faces.

 

[TreIII]

Capcom may let NT use MT 2.01. It's been confirmed that Eighting or whoever is the true developer behind MvC3 is using their engine. Of course all the documentation is probably in Japanese. Also NT doesn't exactly have the standing relationship with Capcom that Eighting has and even if they did, them not being a Japanese company may factor into things.

Yeah, UE3 it is.

If this project is to have any hope of success, Capcom HAS to let NT have access to MT. At least with a standard engine based on DMC4, we can be insured of a solid game engine, which would then just leave NT to muddle about when it comes to level/enemy/boss design and game play mechanics. But yeah...it's doubtful, at this point. T_T

 

[TheFLYINGManga_Ka]

Unless DMC5 is a PS3 exclusive! DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUN!

Hope it is a PS3 exclusive because that would mean Ninja Theory is doing something else and not DMC5 because they said they were never doing console-exclusive games again!

Just staying optimistic!

 

[SapientWolf]

Okay, I don't like this whole western outsourcing thing, but if the big Japanese studios are going to do it, why do they have to pick such mediocre developers?
I mean, what the fuck convinced Capcom (and Square-Enix, for that matter) that a studio like Grin would do their IP justice? And why are they making the same mistake again?

Bionic Commando Rearmed.

 

[Kyoufu]

Holy shit so much mourning in this thread.

Fixed. A moment of silence for the DMC franchise please.