Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
It wasn't cancerous until that hag Zinnia came into the picture.
im crying
this is beautiful lmao
I don't understand how you can NOT believe that there aren't multiple universes. I mean, it was confirmed in in-game text, which is the most official source there is. You can not like it, and I know many people don't, but there really isn't anywhere to argue against it.
And also, Pokémon has always been about alternate universes. That's how I always understood version differences. Not to mention that every save file is its own alternate universe, since the actions of one player are never equal to another one's actions.
Literally how can RSY and GSC take place in the same universe when one of the biggest explanations for the multiverse thing is stuff like type changes and battle mechanics not existing (Fairy and Megas)?
From Gold and SilverActually, text in X/Y stated that Fairy Type and Mega Evolutions were a new discovery. With that in mind, X/Y can reasonably follow B2/W2. OR/AS is the odd one out, and also the one to introduce alternate dimensions as a possibility.
I can't say definitively but I don't remember any text in GSC that actually stated that Steel/Dark were new types, either.
From Gold and Silver
Gym Guy: JASMINE uses the newly discovered steel-type. I don't know very much about it
At least fanartists remember Leaf:
It wasn't cancerous until that hag Zinnia came into the picture.
Dark Persian looks like a goofball. I love it
Incineroar might not be Fire / Fighting type, but it might as well be. All Gamefreak had to do was make a panther with red stripes and they fucked it up. Toss it in the dumpster along with all the other Fire / Fighting starters not named Blaziken.
Decidueye and Primarina are great though. Grass / Ghost is a huge surprise and hella cool. Water / Fairy is cool.
* It's the first game you can improve pokemon's 'IV's (Internal Values) in. When a pokemon is captured/hatched it has a secret set of values (that range from 0 to 15) that normally cannot change afterwards. These are added into the stat calculations to determine how it's final stats turn out (attack, special attack, hp, etc) and so having a pokemon with perfect IVs (all of them are 15) was something people would breed for manically. Now in Sun and Moon, however, you can improve an existing pokemon's IVs with 'super training' once they reach level 100 so you may be able to escape the crazy breeding timesink that has consumed a lot of people's time![]()
Coolies, thanks for the corrections. I haven't played since XY and pokemon Go has messed with my memory on these things a bit so my knowledge is a lil rusty :3Individual Values actually range from 0-31 in modern Pokemon. It was only 0-15 in RGBY and GSC, and we usually use the term DV instead for those games. They also behaved differently in a number of ways, one being that HP didn't even actually have one and was instead based on others. In Gen III, the modern stat system of IVs and EVs (previously a different system generally called stat experience) was introduced.
Also Super Training is the mechanic introduced in Gen VI for improving a Pokemon's EVs. Hyper Training is the new feature for manipulating IVs in Gen VII.
What I'm saying is every game with a "player character" isn't a multiverse canon. There is a canon in the Pokémon universe that uses "defaults" for the players of that game (i.e. Red), and ORAS confirms multiverse Pokémon about as much as one side character supposing that idea aloud. If someone can point me to absolute definitive proof that either of the Gen VI games claimed that they take place in a literal alternate universe then I'll concede but I'm pretty sure there's no "yeah that's what's happening" moment.
I don't dislike the idea. But it's silly to say "oh wow see it explains Megas" or to try keeping track of each time you have to use the multiverse explanation for retcons. Literally how can RSY and GSC take place in the same universe when one of the biggest explanations for the multiverse thing is stuff like type changes and battle mechanics not existing (Fairy and Megas)?
Also this is all moot because Wally, Red, Green, Cynthia, and many other characters are clearly existing in the same universe in Gen VII. So yeah, there is a valid canon that seems to run uninterrupted from Kanto to Alola (though in varying orders of chronology) through all the games. So I guess one could go about sorting which games might have taken place in different timelines, but there is no evidence that it's true, and type retcons are not that. Red is about to have Pokémon using Z Moves and Megas, so I'm pretty sure they aren't committed to the multiverse idea and that bit of dialogue isn't some key into a secret layer of Pokémon lore.
Like a lot of alternate universes in fiction, things are mostly the same except for a few minor things so it's totally plausible for Red, Wally, and Cynthia to be entities in multiple universes as notable figure in most fiction typically do when alternate universes get introduced. And I'd consider Zinnia as more than a "side character" story-specific events specifically are prevented because of her. She was so convinced that there's an alternate universe that she prevents a weapon that could plausibly destroy the alternate version. If it was just some side joke than a story beat wouldn't have been emphasized this.
From Gold and Silver
Gym Guy: JASMINE uses the newly discovered steel-type. I don't know very much about it
Actually, text in X/Y stated that Fairy Type and Mega Evolutions were a new discovery. With that in mind, X/Y can reasonably follow B2/W2. OR/AS is the odd one out, and also the one to introduce alternate dimensions as a possibility.
I can't say definitively but I don't remember any text in GSC that actually stated that Steel/Dark were new types, either.
Looking at the gym and the fact that Jasmine has an Ampharos, I don't think GF knew much about the newly discovered steel-type either!
Looking at the gym and the fact that Jasmine has an Ampharos, I don't think GF knew much about the newly discovered steel-type either!
So is Ghost Super Effective against Fairy now? It sort of ruins the typing triangle otherwise.
If Gold doesn't get a HOT (TM) redesign, I'll probably riot.
So, if S&M are confirmed to take place during/after XY, and there's nothing that contradict past titles, we can assume it can belong to both the ORAS universe and the RZE universe. The ORAS universe exclusive games could very well be limited to remakes that are forced to reincorporate fairy type and megastones before they were supposed to appear in the original timeline.
Um, she never uses Amphy. Only Magnemites and Steelix. And in her rematches she adds a Skarmory, Empoleon, Bronzong and MetagrossLooking at the gym and the fact that Jasmine has an Ampharos, I don't think GF knew much about the newly discovered steel-type either!
So is Ghost Super Effective against Fairy now? It sort of ruins the typing triangle otherwise.
Something that could contradict past titles is that our knowledge of the original timeline involves the events of RSE occurring around RBG(or FRLG)'s time, however we have a much older Red and Green in Sun and Moon, and a Wally that looks like he stepped straight out of ORAS. The only way I have to explain that away (besides y'know, "it's a game", and since we're having a timeline conversation...) is that in this timeline, everything in ORAS happened later.
Ride or dieYeah us Popplio people gotta stick together. Good on ya, yupyupyup.
There's a theory going around that the trainers at the Battle Tree are impostors, since little details about them seem off. Cynthia's Garchomp changed genders, Wally's model has differences with his ORAS one and his Pokémon use different balls. Red and Green would be the same characters we met in their games, though.
Well, at least him inevitably losing is canon ;DAsh should be the final trainer you battle. His team should be
Greninja
Pikachu
Charizard
Sceptile
Infernape
Snorlax
All level 100
The perfect person to take the role of Alolan League Champion should obviously be Gold.
Lol ouch. But accurate lolWell, at least him inevitably losing is canon ;D
They should all be Level 5 with a 90% critical hit ratio if we're going for accuracy hereAsh should be the final trainer you battle. His team should be
Greninja
Pikachu
Charizard
Sceptile
Infernape
Snorlax
All level 100
For real, he should be in the game if we are getting his Greninja and his Pikachu.Ash should be the final trainer you battle. His team should be
Greninja
Pikachu
Charizard
Sceptile
Infernape
Snorlax
All level 100
I was tearing up when watching the last Train On trailer. What a beautiful series of advertisements. I wish Nintendo put this much effort into their marketing. Now cut those sons of bitches up into 30 second pieces and air them on tv, TPC.
Good, I wasn't the only one who got teary eyed. I'm not even sure what exactly started the waterworks, I was laughing at their "training" montage, otherwise yeah, the TRAIN ON thing was amazingly well done. They need to air it here in the US.
Hnnnnnnnnnggg...The Red andGreenBlue reveal has had the side-effect of getting fanartists to design what the other protagonists will look like in their "Alolan" forms:
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He's in Alola to fix his speech impediment.I like how grown up Red is basically Jotaro haha. Please tell me he's in Aloha to study marine Pokemon.
If Gold doesn't get a HOT (TM) redesign, I'll probably riot.
IIRC, she doesn't actually use Ampharos in GSC; she just nurses the one in the Olivine Lighthouse. In battle, it's just Magneton & Steelix. In fact, I remember explicitly never seeing an Ampharos in my Gold playthrough because no trainer had it and I hated Mareep too much try to evolve it.
Ah well, I thought Fairy could do with a third weakness since its only two weaknesses are to types that are rarely offensive and Ghost could probably do with a buff, though the various mini-nerfs to Dark may provide this.It was already ruined because Fairy's effectiveness against Dark is negated by Fire's resistance. It's not really a secondary triangle at all and it's best not to put much thought into it =p
But also no, judging from people poking around in the demo, the type chart is unchanged.
Any word on the game having a substantial post game?
That's what I mean, plus it is sort of inferred that the Ampharos is hers, she just doesn't battle with it. Also she has two Magnemites with the exact same stats and movepool. But anyway, it's just one of several weird things that make me think GF sort of bit off a bit more than they could chew with GSC and were short on time.
That's just a maison tho.Well we know that the the Battle Tree is likely be post game.
And the reason why she has two Magnemite is because Game Freak did a terrible job in giving Johto gym leaders the right Pokémon and leaned to heavily with Kanto Pokémon.
That's just a maison tho.
Well we know that the the Battle Tree is likely be post game.
No they didn't, they stated that Jasmine is close to Olivine Lighthouse Ampharos.
And the reason why she has two Magnemite is because Game Freak did a terrible job in giving Johto gym leaders the right Pokémon and leaned to heavily with Kanto Pokémon.
Taking a guess at stat spreads for the starters:
Decidueye
75 hp
105 attack
75 defense
90 special attack
75 special defense
110 speed