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New Pokémon Sun & Moon trailer revealing the final starter evolutions & more

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WrenchNinja

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Espada said:
Just because you can grind away at them by bashing Audino heads in doesn't make those evolution levels reasonable. It's one of the things Gen V did wrong. Mienfoo, Pawniard, Litwick, Vullaby, etc... don't have the excuse Hydreigon does (it's Unova's pseudo). They're just average pokemon with ridiculous evolution levels.

It's one thing I'd wish they go back and revise.
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I mean, they're late game Pokemon. You get them in the early to mid thirties in b/w (besides litwick). Do they take a while to raise, sure, all Im saying is its not that big of a deal to get around the hurdle

Honestly, it would probably bother me more if I didn't have a reliable team made by the time you face off with Iris/Drayden
 
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Conan-san

Member
.JayZii said:
Pokemon threads get so weird and mean spirited, lol.

I think we can all agree that Ash's female friend is going to get a Poplio that evolves into and stays a Brionne for the rest of the show.
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Please stop giving me reasons to want to dismiss SuMo The Series outright before it's air date I'm trying very hard to give that the benefit of the (rather large) doubt.

Phoenixus said:
Team Rocket Meowth is gonna laugh his ass off when he sees Alolan Persian in the anime.
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Yep and on that note Team Rocket being the competent mirror to Team Skull's complete idiocy is going to be amazing to behold.
 
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Deleted member 231381

Unconfirmed Member
PSqueak said:
i was wondering about this too, was on the impression that more or less all games with the exception of RBY took place simultaneously.
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Went and did some research since the last person asked to make sure I was right; this probably isn't the case. I think these two cover it quite well.

FRLG/E ---> 3 years ---> HGSS/DPPt ---> 11 years ---> BW ---> 2 years ---> BW2

FRLG/E taking place contemporaneously is confirmed in-game - FireRed seems to start a few months earlier or whatever, but the postgame Ruby and Sapphire events confirm it. HGSS confirm it has been 3 years since the last games - for example, Red's diary and so on. DPPt starts some time into HGSS - the start of DPPt coincides with when the HGSS protagonist defeats the shiny Gyarados.

The time between BW and HGSS/DPPt is unconfirmed, but it needs to be enough time for the Team Rocket member in HGSS Kanto to meet someone, get married, and have a young kid. The article I linked above argue that the games' chronology roughly follows IRL time (as in, GSC was released 3 years after FRLG; BW2 was released 2 years after BW), which would make it an 11 year gap - this seems pretty reasonable (although this is the most speculative part).

XY and ORAS take place in their own timeline as you find out in ORAS' Zinia sidequest, which seems to go:

ORAS --> 17 years --> XY

Presumably there are alt-timeline versions of what happened in Kanto and Johto and Sinnoh and Unova, the way ORAS is an alt version of RSE - I mean, there definitely has to be alt version of FRLG if we're seeing Red and Blue. One can't help but notice it gives Gamefreak a convenient excuse to remake everything again.

/deepestlore
 
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lotufo

Neo Member
Boss Doggie said:
Charjabug evolves at 40?!
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Considering Charjabug is my favorite Gen 7 Pokemon, this makes me really happy. I would hate to just use it for a couple of levels before evolving again.

As for late evolutions, I've never had a problem with them since the Eviolite was introduced. That was a godsend in Pokemon training.
 
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Aleh

Member
Waaaay back when BW was released I read somewhere that the time difference between DP and BW was 10 years, but it's been so long I don't remember where that came from :/
 
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Bubble

Neo Member
Having to train Charjabug to level 40 for it to evolve is a bummer, but it will hopefully have some good stats to not make it a complete passenger. At least it is not BW/Unova levels of bad, with Mienfoo, Rufflet, Vullaby, etc, all evolving around level 50-ish. Really wish they would adjust the levels of the Unova Pokemon to make them evolve earlier, but considering they have never made any adjustments to how Pokemon evolve ever(Feebas/Milotic the exception), I'm not gonna hold my breath.

So I'm hoping most Pokemon this generation evolves around lvl. 30-40 and not at lvl. 50-55. And hopefully no-trade evolutions either.
 
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Forkball

Member
Crab said:
Went and did some research since the last person asked to make sure I was right; this probably isn't the case. I think these two cover it quite well.

FRLG/E ---> 3 years ---> HGSS/DPPt ---> 11 years ---> BW ---> 2 years ---> BW2

FRLG/E taking place contemporaneously is confirmed in-game - FireRed seems to start a few months earlier or whatever, but the postgame Ruby and Sapphire events confirm it. HGSS confirm it has been 3 years since the last games - for example, Red's diary and so on. DPPt starts some time into HGSS - the start of DPPt coincides with when the HGSS protagonist defeats the shiny Gyarados.

The time between BW and HGSS/DPPt is unconfirmed, but it needs to be enough time for the Team Rocket member in HGSS Kanto to meet someone, get married, and have a young kid. The article I linked above argue that the games' chronology roughly follows IRL time (as in, GSC was released 3 years after FRLG; BW2 was released 2 years after BW), which would make it an 11 year gap - this seems pretty reasonable (although this is the most speculative part).

XY and ORAS take place in their own timeline as you find out in ORAS' Zinia sidequest, which seems to go:

ORAS --> 17 years --> XY

Presumably there are alt-timeline versions of what happened in Kanto and Johto and Sinnoh and Unova, the way ORAS is an alt version of RSE - I mean, there definitely has to be alt version of FRLG if we're seeing Red and Blue. One can't help but notice it gives Gamefreak a convenient excuse to remake everything again.

/deepestlore
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If XY takes place nearly two decades after ORAS, then why is Wally the same age? And Cynthia should be fourteen years older. Yet Red and Blue are in their twenties.

We're getting into some Zelda timeline shit, unless Game Freak just thought it would be cool to age up Red and Blue and used default versions of everyone else. The World Tournament in BW2 had the same approach, where it felt like you were basically fighting an avatar instead of the actual character.
 
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Deleted member 231381

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Forkball said:
If XY takes place nearly two decades after ORAS, then why is Wally the same age? And Cynthia should be fourteen years older. Yet Red and Blue are in their twenties.
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Je ne sais pas. Red and Blue are about the right age. Cynthia might be one of those voodoo women who manages to inexplicably never look older, so that's fine. No idea about Wally, though.

We're getting into some Zelda timeline shit, unless Game Freak just thought it would be cool to age up Red and Blue and used default versions of everyone else. The World Tournament in BW2 had the same approach, where it felt like you were basically fighting an avatar instead of the actual character.
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Possibly Wally's appearance will be non-canon in some way? I don't know. Or maybe Sun/Moon takes place before XY, not after - it might fit inbetween ORAS and XY (although what that means for Zygarde?).
 
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Forkball

Member
Crab said:
Je ne sais pas. Red and Blue are about the right age. Cynthia might be one of those voodoo women who manages to inexplicably never look older, so that's fine. No idea about Wally, though.

Possibly Wally's appearance will be non-canon in some way? I don't know. Or maybe Sun/Moon takes place before XY, not after - it might fit inbetween ORAS and XY (although what that means for Zygarde?).
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Sun/Moon has to take place after XY because Sycamore's assistants appear with the Mega Stones. Also if ORAS and XY are set so far about, how did no one in Kalos know about Mega Evolution if it happened 17 years before in ORAS?

THEY'RE JUST MAKING SHIT UP NOW
 
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Tacorona72

Member
Speaking of Charjabug, I'm honestly just glad that Gen VII has a decent number of Bug type Pokemon. I know we only have 6 officially confirmed (Grubbin line, Cutiefly line, and Wimpod), but it's better than the maximum of 3 we got in Gen VI. And even then it was just the Scatterbug line, which was kind of a letdown.
 
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ash_ag

Member
Forkball said:
If XY takes place nearly two decades after ORAS, then why is Wally the same age? And Cynthia should be fourteen years older. Yet Red and Blue are in their twenties.

We're getting into some Zelda timeline shit, unless Game Freak just thought it would be cool to age up Red and Blue and used default versions of everyone else. The World Tournament in BW2 had the same approach, where it felt like you were basically fighting an avatar instead of the actual character.
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Wally in particular seems copy/pasted from ORAS, so I'm not surprised. And Cynthia is...Cynthia. :p

I'm guessing that not all Battle Tree trainers will have story involvement, like Red and Blue do. Those characters may receive a PWT-like treatment rather than proper redesigns. I also kind of expect them to focus on Kanto, Hoenn and Kalos, which are the most recently covered regions. Maybe Unova too, which isn't too far off.
 
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HawthorneKitty

Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
ShadyPenguin said:
Damn, you're starting to make me rethink my starter pick lol

But I have stand by my decision. I made it back when the starters were revealed for the first time, and I said I'm gonna stand by it!
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Yeah us Popplio people gotta stick together. Good on ya, yupyupyup.
 
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HawthorneKitty

Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Man, I went looking for the Japanese version of the SunMoon announcement PV and I couldn't find it because when it aired on the Direct, they got the English version. I think I only ever caught it during some Splatoon Koshien breaks at the time; I'm sad. :(
 
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PsionBolt

Member
Decidueye is a total trash name, because it doesn't read or speak well. I briefly considered picking this fellow when I saw the typing, but with that name? Not a chance.

Incineroar is a pretty great name (and a great translation of Gaogaen), but it sounds more like the name of a move than the name of a Pokemon. In a vacuum, I would have guessed something called "Incineroar" was a fire-type special variant of Dragon Tail. Y'know, since it's a combination of Incinerate and Roar.

Primarina is a great name full stop. I think the winner is clear!
 
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Kyzer

Banned
PsionBolt said:
Decidueye is a total trash name, because it doesn't read or speak well. I briefly considered picking this fellow when I saw the typing, but with that name? Not a chance.

Incineroar is a pretty great name (and a great translation of Gaogaen), but it sounds more like the name of a move than the name of a Pokemon. In a vacuum, I would have guessed something called "Incineroar" was a fire-type special variant of Dragon Tail. Y'know, since it's a combination of Incinerate and Roar.

Primarina is a great name full stop. I think the winner is clear!
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You think incineroar is a good name and wont use decidueye because of its name

Thats interesting
 
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MiTYH

Member
So I've been planning out my team and... for the first time in any game, I don't have a water type I want to use.

Normally I'd have to use it because of surf shennanigans, and I didn't mind. From some starters, to clawitzer/skrelp, Carracosta, Gastrodon, Milotic/Spheal, there's always been some.

So far... nothing. Plus there's too many other (hopefully) great ones I want to try. Mudsdale, Lycanroc, alolan sandslash, Kommo-o, Tsarenna/Lurantis, plus Owliver/Luchalitten, I'm out of team members!
 
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Deleted member 231381

Unconfirmed Member
Busaiku said:
What in Alpha Sapphire indicates that it takes place before Y?
I got the sense they occurred around the same time.
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Word of God.

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Ydelnae

Member
Wally not aging in +17 years is a mess up, in my opinion. You can't age some characters and then recycle others. I know the timeline is not that important in Pokemon, but they have been pretty consistent up until ORAS. They never should have done split timelines and bring back past characters without consequences.
 
Boss Doggie

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Delaney said:
Wally not aging in +17 years is a mess up, in my opinion. You can't age some characters and then recycle others. I know the timeline is not that important in Pokemon, but they have been pretty consistent up until ORAS. They never should have done split timelines and bring back past characters without consequences.
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Gen 1 privilege, etc.

with that said Cynthia I honestly don't see looking a tad different
 
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Deleted member 231381

Unconfirmed Member
If Sun/Moon are two-three years after XY, Red is 30-31. Give the guy a break, he's aged pretty well.

EDIT: Maybe if they aged Wally, then people would realize they just recycled his design for N, so they had to hide the laziness.
 
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Menitta

Member
In my head, Pokémon is a linear timeline that happens in the order I play them, and nobody can tell me otherwise! Red/Blue is a prequel to HGSS.
 
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Daemul

Member
Its just another PWT situation where GF didn't bother to update the sprites, but Red and Green get special treatment on this occasion due to the 20th.
 
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Playsage

Member
Loving Red pulling off a Jotaro pose in his challenge animation

Not a fan of Decidueye having a suicide matchup against Incineroar.
Still best starter, though.
 
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Deleted member 231381

Unconfirmed Member
Daemul said:
Its just another PWT situation where GF didn't bother to update the sprites, but Red and Green get special treatment on this occasion due to the 20th.
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which sprites didn't they update? I can't remember.
 
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