No, cause Hillary was never going to win Utah anyway. This hurts Trump only.
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New Poll in Utah has Trump and Clinton Tied @ 26%
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No, cause Hillary was never going to win Utah anyway. This hurts Trump only.
Things would have to tighten a lot for McMullin to throw it to the house. Most likely path I can find to it is Hillary losing Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, Iowa, Ohio, Florida, and North Carolina, while holding Virginia, New Hampshire, and Pennsylvania.
It would be super fascinating to see though once it went to the House. Would Dem states and a small coalition of Republican ones come together to throw it to McMullin?
At this point I hope McMuffin wins. It would be glorious to see.
Vince_Russo
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I'll tell you one thing about Mormons --
most are Republican, but they're not quite as intellectually depressed as Evangelical Southern Whites tend to be.
most are Republican, but they're not quite as intellectually depressed as Evangelical Southern Whites tend to be.
The House of Representatives decide the election then, not the Senate.
QuantumZebra
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It will only make Hillary's victory more absurdly lopsided. She is already close to turning AZ, GA, and even TX blue.
If things tip further in her favor it will be a landslide not seen in recent history.
The only way it goes to the House is if somehow Hillary loses states she is up by over 5 points in, in under a month... which is... unlikely (unless a tape leaks of her wiping her ass with the American flag or something)
ryutaro's mama
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everyday math
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My coworker was trying to defend trump the other day. Something about how it's all just locker room talk and that it's ok cause Hillary's husband is just as bad. 😐
Because Trump and Hillary are tied, and he isn't? </u mad>
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I'm sad I don't live in Utah anymore, because I'd love to cast a vote for president there and have it matter. I don't think it will go to Hillary, but I'd love to see it happen.
The right-wing idea machine is great at disseminating its talking points.
The right-wing idea machine is great at disseminating its talking points.
Trump losing the EVs to McMullin doesn't actually help Hillary at all. The only thing it would do is slightly increase the odds of the election going to the House instead of Trump outright winning it. And the House is GOP-controlled (although it would be funny if the #NeverTrumpers in the House actually heel-turned against the party and tipped it to Hillary. We all know that won't happen because 98% of them have no backbone).
Why do that when Clinton is polling ahead of Mcmullin? Until I see a real possibility of a McMullin win, no way in hell will I do that. (Who am I kidding, even then I'm still voting for Hillary)
I have a brother in law who is HARDCORE republican. He is voting for Hillary because Trump talked shit about Romney.
Also, I have spoken to may neighbors who WANT their vote to count here and they are voting for Hillary.
Shabadoo69
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Basically this! Also did anyone see Steve Starks (president of the Utah Jazz) slamming people on Twitter for ever supporting in the first place?
Version 3.0
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Yeah. A McMullin win is still good news. Clinton's path is wide open now, she doesn't need Utah. Trump can't afford to lose any state, in fact he needs to almost run the table of swing states (some of which don't even fit that description at the moment).
I don't understand this at all. Utah was previously 6 guaranteed Electoral Votes for Trump. If he loses those votes to a non-contender like McMullin, I don't see how that hurts Clinton at all. It'd be better if they could turn Utah blue, but if a third party wins it then it seems like that would be a much bigger blow to Trump than Clinton.
If Romney can bait Trump into denigrating him more, I think it could be easy to flip the state for Clinton or McMullin.
It doesn't matter how many electoral votes your opponent gets or how many you win by, all that matters is that you win by getting 270. Trump getting 6 votes from Utah or McMullin getting 6 votes from Utah has no effect on Clinton getting 270 votes. The only positive outcome of the state for Clinton is a Clinton win.
The only thing a McMullin win could possibly change would be sending the election to the House due to no one getting 270, where Trump gets elected anyway.
Amibguous Cad
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House, actually. But yes, that's what would happen.
I don't think it's going to be close enough for that, but if it is... Republican caucus not wanting to vote for Trump, definitely not Hillary, vote for him, a few disaffected Democrats willing to compromise if it means no Trump?
McMullin '16!
EatinOlives
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Utah is up in the air
Fucking Utah
Fucking Utah
Ninja Scooter
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if Clinton can get an endorsement from John Stockton it's a wrap.
False Witness
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Hillary's absolute worst case scenario here is still a win.
Nothing Utah does will have any negative effect on her campaign. It's all a win.
Nothing Utah does will have any negative effect on her campaign. It's all a win.
I still don't understand. It's a race to 270, yes. If McMullin wins, how is denying 6 Electoral Votes to Trump not a good thing? It almost definitely hurts his odds of getting to 270.
BreezyLimbo
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It's kind of gratifying to see that Trump would somehow need to make a miracle out of the Electoral map in order to win, and even in his best case scenario, he still loses
EatinOlives
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I wonder if the money is starting to dry up.
Aaron Strife
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If both candidates got under 270 due to McMullin winning the 6 Utah EVs, the election would go to the House and almost certainly come down to McMullin or Trump.
I doubt this is the election where this sort of thing comes up, however.
That is a part of the reason.Trump was doing terrible at times in the state before McMullin appeared
At the same time, how is Trump winning those 6 Utah Electoral Votes a better outcome for Clinton? A McMullin victory might not be that great for her, but it's certainly better than an outright Trump win.
morningbus
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It's not. The previous posters were just saying that it doesn't technically affect her at all.
Her path to at least 270 is plotted and doesn't require Utah.
Jesus, he's only 6 points ahead in Texas
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/tx/texas_trump_vs_clinton-5694.html
It's not better, it's irrelevant. This reply chain was discussing whether Clinton backers should change their votes to McMullin in order to help McMullin win the state over Trump.
There is no reason to do that. If all the Clinton backers in the state somehow got into a pact to vote for McMullin, the Trump campaign would say, "Great, we don't have to defend the state from Clinton at all anymore."
Trump would very happily take a result where Clinton gets 264-269 electoral votes, McMullin wins Utah and House Republicans get to select the President. That's the only scenario where McMullin winning does anything.
GiantEnemyGoomba
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Trump not taking Utah wouldn't really impact the election all that much but I still want it to happen so I can see him lose by as many electoral votes as possible.
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