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New 'Revenge of the Sith' pics; (pretty big spoilage)

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ManaByte

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Most of the leaks actually originate from McCallum himself, although Lucas has no idea and McCallum publically puts down the "spies". It was Rick McCallum who leaked Episode II to AICN.
 
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ManaByte said:
Most of the leaks actually originate from McCallum himself, although Lucas has no idea and McCallum publically puts down the "spies". It was Rick McCallum who leaked Episode II to AICN.
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McCallum to me is a dumb ass.

I wonder why Lucas didn't go back to Gary Kurtz...

or ASKED Irwin Kirshner(his old teacher) how to film the love story between Anakin and Padme.


Hell, he tells Vanity fair that he's not a good script writer... he's a good story teller. I tend to agree.


Why not ask Lawrance Kasdan? I'm sure he would have liked to pen AOTC.


Lots of questions, not many answers. I know McCallum worked with Lucas on Young indy... but common, even that show was a complete failure.
 
ManaByte

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The Bookerman said:
McCallum to me is a dumb ass.

I wonder why Lucas didn't go back to Gary Kurtz...

or ASKED Irwin Kirshner(his old teacher) how to film the love story between Anakin and Padme.


Hell, he tells Vanity fair that he's not a good script writer... he's a good story teller. I tend to agree.


Why not ask Lawrance Kasdan? I'm sure he would have liked to pen AOTC.


Lots of questions, not many answers. I know McCallum worked with Lucas on Young indy... but common, even that show was a complete failure.
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Kasdan went straight downhill after the 80's. Dreamcatcher. NO.

He won't go back to Gary Kurtz after Gary Kurtz tried to take control of the franchise away from Lucas after Empire.
 
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ManaByte said:
Kasdan went straight downhill after the 80's. Dreamcatcher. NO.

He won't go back to Gary Kurtz after Gary Kurtz tried to take control of the franchise away from Lucas after Empire.
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Kasdan's probably better than Jonathan Hales... Ughhh... what a crappy writer Jonathan Hales is.


What's story on Kurtz.
 
ManaByte

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The Bookerman said:
Kasdan's probably better than Jonathan Hales... Ughhh... what a crappy writer Jonathan Hales is.


What's story on Kurtz.
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Kurtz has "his" version of the story that he likes to toss out to make Lucas look bad, but the truth is that Lucas wanted to wrap everything up in Episode VI while Kurtz got greedy and wanted to extend it for another one or two trilogies. It was Lucas' story to tell, so basically the two had a falling out because Kurtz wanted another twenty years of Star Wars checks with his name on them and wanted more control over the series.
 
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The Bookerman said:
Kasdan's probably better than Jonathan Hales... Ughhh... what a crappy writer Jonathan Hales is.
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Hales was a poor choice. I think Lucas realized that he's better off leaving the dialogue to someone else after EP:1. I think after EP:2 he realized that he needed someone GOOD to do it. There's been rumors that the script received a "dialogue wash" by various scriptwriters, (Frank Darabont of "Shawshank" fame has been one that's been thrown around a lot.)

I think Lucas realized this for his direciton of the acting in general too. There's an article at the main site that talks about a dialogue coach hired for EP:3; the same guy who did dialogue coaching for The Virgin Suicides.
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/profile/f20050105/index.html
 
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The Bookerman said:
That's a reason why I still think Irwin Kirshner was the best choice for Empire. He made it character driven. Is Kirshner still directing?
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He's still around, but he hasn't directed anything in a while. There also might've been problems with him trying to get Kershner to direct any of the prequels. Lucas left the DGA and WGA after Empire, due to the "no opening credits" penalty he accrued during the making of Empire (I think they let it slide for the original.) Because of this, no DGA approved director would be allowed to touch the Star Wars movies (i.e. Lucas wanted Spielberg to do "Jedi" but Spielberg was DGA certified.) It's kinda the same reason why Gary Oldman backed out of voicing Grievous, since the movie is primarily made with non-SAG members.

I think that's the gist of it, though my facts may be screwed up here and there.
 
ManaByte

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IAmtheFMan said:
He's still around, but he hasn't directed anything in a while. There also might've been problems with him trying to get Kershner to direct any of the prequels. Lucas left the DGA and WGA after Empire, due to the "no opening credits" penalty he accrued during the making of Empire (I think they let it slide for the original.) Because of this, no DGA approved director would be allowed to touch the Star Wars movies (i.e. Lucas wanted Spielberg to do "Jedi" but Spielberg was DGA certified.) It's kinda the same reason why Gary Oldman backed out of voicing Grievous, since the movie is primarily made with non-SAG members.

I think that's the gist of it, though my facts may be screwed up here and there.
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No, that's basically it. Lucas as a whole is a big "fuck you" the the Hollywood industry.

The DGA let the no-credits thing slide for ANH, but then fined Lucas for doing it again with ESB.
 
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sadanakin4kf.jpg
 
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Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
Looks like Anakin's mechanical hand has been spruced up since we last saw it. Looks pretty spiffy to me.

ManaByte said:
The DGA let the no-credits thing slide for ANH, but then fined Lucas for doing it again with ESB.
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Can you elaborate? The DGA requires some form of credits in the beginning?

My two quick little thoughts on McCallum:

1. He seems to be a complete yes-man.

2. He was pretty entertaining and funny at the first Celebration, even if driven by ego and hype.

(paraphrased)
Anthony Daniels: So Rick, how would you describe Episode 1 in one word?
Rick McCallum: Un-fucking-believable.
Anthony Daniels: Haha, what was that? I don't think all the kids here heard you.
Rick McCallum: Un-fucking-believable!
 
ManaByte

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Dan said:
Can you elaborate? The DGA requires some form of credits in the beginning?
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There's a bare minimum of credits they'll allow and since the SW movies had NONE, Lucas got fined for ESB.

I'm not sure of the specifics, but I remember one recent DVD I was watching where the director mentioned in the commentary that what they had at the opening was the "bare minimum" that the DGA allows for opening credits.
 
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Dan said:
Looks like Anakin's mechanical hand has been spruced up since we last saw it. Looks pretty spiffy to me.


Can you elaborate? The DGA requires some form of credits in the beginning?

My two quick little thoughts on McCallum:

1. He seems to be a complete yes-man.

2. He was pretty entertaining and funny at the first Celebration, even if driven by ego and hype.

(paraphrased)
Anthony Daniels: So Rick, how would you describe Episode 1 in one word?
Rick McCallum: Un-fucking-believable.
Anthony Daniels: Haha, what was that? I don't think all the kids here heard you.
Rick McCallum: Un-fucking-believable!
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:lol
That pretty much sums up McCallum.

I'm probably not as keen on this stuff as Mana is, but the basic premise is that some sort of opening credits were required by the DGA, or else you'd be fined for it. Basically, there ARE no opening credits for the SW movies, aside from the Fox and Lucasfilm Logo. The DGA let it slide for SW, but after Empire, the fines started hitting pretty heavy, for both Lucas and Kershner. Lucas paid the fines, and then said bye to the DGA and WGA, and went independent (kinda weird to think of the SW movies after the original as independent films, but they are.)

I would assume that the rules have loosened up a little bit since then. I'm not entirely sure though.
 
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ManaByte said:
Kurtz has "his" version of the story that he likes to toss out to make Lucas look bad, but the truth is that Lucas wanted to wrap everything up in Episode VI while Kurtz got greedy and wanted to extend it for another one or two trilogies. It was Lucas' story to tell, so basically the two had a falling out because Kurtz wanted another twenty years of Star Wars checks with his name on them and wanted more control over the series.
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Is that what drove him into the African jungle?
 
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The Bookerman said:
That's a reason why I still think Irwin Kirshner was the best choice for Empire. He made it character driven. Is Kirshner still directing?
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Kershner alone isn't that good of a director. Looking at his track record his best movie is Empire and the rest are average to weak. I think Empire is as good as it is because everyone involved with the production were perfect in their assigned roles. It just gels together amazingly well.

Its funny that Empire has dated much better than Jedi. Hairstyles, costuming, and most certainly lighting look better in Empire than in any of the OT.
 
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ManaByte said:
He's digital in that shot because that picture is
just a few frames before his head is chopped off.
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Then Anakin and Palpadine play one-on-one
oddball
for a few minutes to pad the movie out.
 
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That's what I never understood about the timeline. I would have thought Palpatine would have gotten rid of the senate by the end of Episode 3, but it's clear they're only just dissolved in "A New Hope." So where they just sitting around being puppets to Palpatine during the years when the Skywalker kids grew up?
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"How will they keep order without the bueaurocy?" :lol

One of the best lines in the whole saga. Cos it's so true.
 
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Groder Mullet said:
Who are the two guys flanking Palpatine in that senate shot?
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Guys who are absolutely unimportant and most probably dead by A New Hope.
You ever notice that the Empire is entirely human? You'd figure the Empire would've made use of some of the stronger alien races. But no, we can all assume that it was genocide for every wierdo in the core systems.
 
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Boogie said:
The hell are you talking about then?

Oh, let me guess, Apocalypse Now, right? 'Cept that was the Vietnamese/Cambodian jungle :p
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Actually I was thinking more along the lines of:

Groundskeeper Willie: I've got crippling arthritis from space invaders.
Chief Wiggum: Yeah, that was a pretty popular video game.
Groundskeeper Willie: Video game?
 
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AniHawk said:
Actually I was thinking more along the lines of:

Groundskeeper Willie: I've got crippling arthritis from space invaders.
Chief Wiggum: Yeah, that was a pretty popular video game.
Groundskeeper Willie: Video game?
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Okay, 'cause you really had me confused there.
 
Simo

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New AOR:


New BTH:


Also the latest Post Notes from the official site that talks about ROTS score:
Post Notes: The Score Begins
February 03, 2005

When theater lights darken this May, and the rolling drums and fanfare of the 20th Century Fox and Lucasfilm logos fade out, fans will brace themselves for that first triumphant blast of brass that signals the start of Episode III. The famous main title theme is not what started off today's scoring sessions at Abbey Road Studios -- like the filming process, scoring is rarely ever done in movie-sequence. The first piece of music recorded for Revenge of the Sith was instead something six reels into the story.

Composer John Williams has written over 40 distinct cues for the Episode III score, to be performed over the next few days by the London Symphony Orchestra. The recording order is delineated on an oversized printout, marking the title of the cue and the reel where it resides. These titles are more for internal use -- they rarely ever make it to the liner notes of soundtrack albums since these cues are often combined and edited to make playable tracks. My guess is that cues like "Boys Into Battle" and "Palpatine's TV Set" will likely get renamed before readied for public consumption.

Today starts with "Padmé's Visit," the music that accompanies a tense and dramatic encounter between Anakin and Padmé. The young lovers have shed the starry-eyed innocence of Episode II, worn down by witnessing years of warfare and deception. Though the love theme from Attack of the Clones appears in this cue, there's a sense of desperation behind it, of time ticking away. Anakin's troubled nature is signaled by the creeping approach of the Imperial March -- Darth Vader's theme from The Empire Strikes Back. The deep bass tones that lurk behind the love theme color the drama.

The next cue jumps to the early moments of film, to the first lightsaber duel in a movie packed with many. It's the three-way rematch that sees Anakin and Obi-Wan once again square off against Count Dooku. The frenetic on-screen action is accompanied by aggressive combat music devoid of any familiar character-based themes. The percussive music, accented with cymbal hits, underscores the lightsaber attack, but it isn't particularly timed to each hit. To do so would be impractical, given the intensity of the sound design that will accompany this lightsaber action.

An angry roll of timpani accompanies the fight's denouement, silencing the orchestra in its wake. Then come some tentative strings, exploring the uncomfortable silence that follows.

"Can the clicks be louder," asks Williams of the control room. The assembled musicians all wear headphones that play a "click track," a series of timed clicks meant to keep them all in the same beat. "They sound a bit wooly," says Williams.

Shawn Murphy, the Scoring Engineer complies. He sits in the control room, carefully listening to the orchestra as they are recorded. He makes notes on any irregularities in the music, citing measures that need to be revisited.

After each take, Williams comes into the control room along with principal musicians to hear what the microphones captured. From there, they can make adjustments for subsequent takes. Together, Murphy and Williams gauge each performance and determine how much to re-record. Rather than wear down the orchestra by re-recording entire cues, they often target specific trouble spots, prompting the orchestra to replay certain measures to be edited into the surrounding music. Still, sometimes the entire cue is re-recorded.

The next selection for the day is "Palpatine's Seduction." Even in the heavily soundproofed confines of the control room, I can still feel the low vibrations. The music covers a conversation between Anakin and Palpatine within the Chancellor's office. We in the control room hear none of the dialogue. The picture, played on a regular television monitor in the booth and on a relatively washed out screen on the scoring stage (projection in a fully lit room will do that) has graphical pops and streamers atop the image in sync with the click track.

Perhaps my ears are playing tricks on me, but I think I can hear a little refrain of Shmi's tragic last moments in this scene. A strong connection stirs between Anakin and Palpatine, as voiced by the strings. A bass drum is responsible for the tremors. By scene's end, the Emperor's theme rises -- played here without a choir -- with the luring strings continuing underneath, finally culminating in a growing cymbal roll that accompanies the scene-wipe that takes us to Utapau and Obi-Wan's continued hunt for General Grievous.

"I love the dark stuff," says George Lucas, relishing the tones prevalent throughout this score.

Next up is "Heroes Collide," the much anticipated start to the duel between Obi-Wan and Anakin. A new theme, carried mostly by the brass section, follows the two Jedi as their duel takes them from an outside landing platform to the inside of an industrial facility. The music alternates between sweeping strokes and fast punctuation -- not unlike the lightsaber duel itself. As is common in the final reels of a Star Wars movie, the action intercuts from one story to another. Those concerned about the action being compromised by cutting away needn't worry -- what's playing opposite this duel is a confrontation just as big and anticipated, though it doesn't last as long, so the remainder of Obi-Wan and Anakin's battle plays through uninterrupted.

At one point in this cue, the music sounds almost exactly as it did in The Empire Strikes Back, when Darth Vader begins pummeling Luke with equipment tossed telekinetically. In both that Episode V moment and this Episode III moment, we hear a grandiose presentation of the Imperial March with sharp brass accents.

Closing your eyes, you can still track the progress of the battle. The music holds to accommodate dialogue during the fight. When lightsabers lock and opponents stare at each other over crossed blades, the strings vibrate brilliantly, building the tension and drama. At one point during in the duel, Obi-Wan and Anakin are caught in competing Force pushes, outstretched hands locking a few centimeters apart. Here, the elegant Force theme emerges from the frantic fighting, but it sounds pained, echoing the struggle.

Shawn notes that the sound quality of the loud percussion affects that of the rest of the orchestra, so William conducts the next take without percussion. As it turns out, even this huge stage is too small to contain the powerful drums. They may be recorded later, under different circumstances.

Lucas points out that this portion of the fight seems to be lacking an expected ingredient: the Duel of the Fates from The Phantom Menace. "That comes later. In the big duel," says Williams.

According to the schedule, those were the only four pieces slated for today, but the orchestra continues, and four more cues are performed. "Another Happy Landing" is a short piece of music, the first cue to occur after the hectic pace of the chaotic space battle. Now, we can take time to peacefully introduce Coruscant and its skyline with a pageantry reminiscent of the first majestic introduction of the city-planet back in Episode I. "Yoda's Fall" is a very brief piece, less than a minute in length, that underscores a specific action.

Next is "Revisiting Padmé," which covers the reunion of the lovers, Anakin and Padmé, in the film. It contains the familiar love theme from Episode II, but there's an interesting juxtaposition in tone. Proof that music greatly affects the perception of a scene, I remember seeing this sequence un-scored and feeling one way about it. In the rough cut, creepy temp music was inserted to an otherwise tame scene of tender exchanges. Here, in the final score, it's not so much creepy, but there is an undercurrent of dark uncertainty. Padmé brings a purity to it, in the form of a unblemished woodwind recitation of the love theme that crescendos to the next wipe.

"So, people, what I'm proposing what we do for the remainder of today is 7M1," says Williams. It's title is, currently, unprintable for the sake of the spoiler-free majority that reads these reports. That's the case with almost everything that happens in the 7th reel. And, true to the film's end, it is tragic and emotional.

Disclaimer: Of course, a dozen people can listen to the same piece of music and come away with a dozen different impressions, but I can't think of how else to report what I heard than by expressing what I felt. Please keep that in mind when reading these Post Notes from scoring.

Spotted today: Hayden Christensen couldn't resist the opportunity to witness the scoring session -- a first for him. Also visiting today is Director and Jedi Master Frank Oz, who will soon return to the backwards-patterned speech to record some loop lines for Yoda this weekend.

Oh, another thing: The main title isn't part of the planned scoring sessions -- a pre-existing recording of the famous Star Wars theme will be used instead.


© Lucasfilm 2005.
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Also the voice of General Grievous has been revealed:
His implacable metallic skeleton gives him the aspect of a droid, but hidden inside the armored carapace is an unwholesome, living being. To remind viewers of this inner Grievous, his words are occasionally punctuated with a hard, wet hacking cough -- suggesting that Grievous is literally rotten to the core.

Providing the voice of Grievous is Matthew Wood, whose history with Star Wars has been mostly behind-the-scenes. Though Wood is an actor, his contribution to the prequel trilogy has been primarily as Supervising Sound Editor. His access to the Episode III production process may have given him a head's up that casting was underway for the part, but the use of a pseudonym ensured that insider status didn't factor into the selection process.

They also added the following:

In a three-hour recording session, Wood laid down all of Grievous lines. "He's definitely an evil character. He's the leader of the droid army, but not a droid. He feels things; he feels things extremely, I would say. It's a lot of yelling, and shouting out orders, so it had a lot of drill sergeant to it."

While studying acting at American Conservatory Theater in San Francisco, Wood came across a website that offered samples of various accents to help actors hear and mimic patterns of speech from around the world. "You could hear the same line of dialogue read in different accents," he says. "I liked the sound of the Eastern European and Romanian accents. Also, I had just come back from Prague, so I had that in mind for Grievous."
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A larger look at the new BTH:


AT-RT?
 
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Those post notes get me really excited. Out of everything, the musical score has always been the part that I've enjoyed the most, and it seems that Williams is going for darker tones a la Empire's score.
 
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kumanoki said:
Guys who are absolutely unimportant and most probably dead by A New Hope.
You ever notice that the Empire is entirely human? You'd figure the Empire would've made use of some of the stronger alien races. But no, we can all assume that it was genocide for every wierdo in the core systems.
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Palpatine always hated/was racist towards aliens. They did make use of Wookies and such as slaves for building ships and the such though
 
Blackace

Blackace

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I thought James Earl was indeed doing the voice of Vader in this movie. When does he show up... I need more than 3 mins of true Darth
 
ManaByte

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Blackace said:
I thought James Earl was indeed doing the voice of Vader in this movie. When does he show up... I need more than 3 mins of true Darth
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He is doing the voice, but he hasn't recorded any lines. And suited Vader is only in the movie for a few minutes.

MAJOR SPOILERS:
Anakin is named Vader long before he is in the suit. He's Vader before he slaughters the Jedi Temple and long before the duel. He is named Vader right after Mace Windu is tossed from Palpatine's office window.
 
ManaByte

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ShadowRed said:
SWEET FUCKING LORD!!!! "Thy'n eyes have seen the coming of the Lord."
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THE DUEL and the last ten minues is just the icing on the cake. The stuff that leads up to it is ungodly awesome. The entire third act is cooler than Empire, easily.

Before THE DUEL you have (spoilers naturally):

Space battle with 5,000 capitol ships where Anakin scissor-chops off Dooku's head while Palpatine provides running commentary (like in ROTJ).

Mace Windu, Kit Fisto, and other Jedi confronting Palpatine about being a Sith Lord. Palpatine chops off Kit Fisto's head and duels Mace. Anakin barges in, chops off Mace's saber arm, and Mace ends up taking a reverse dive out of Palpatine's office window thank's to Palpatine's Force Lightening.

Immediately after that, Anakin is named Vader. This line is in the trailer, but Anakin's voice wa modified to sound like suited Vader. It's the "Lord Vader" RIIIIISE part.

Anakin sent with Clone Troopers to "cleanse" the Jedi temple.

Palpatine naming himself Emperor and ordering the Clones to turn on and kill the Jedi.

Yoda on Kashyyyk when the shit hits the fan.

Obi-Wan and Yoda returning to the temple and discovering what Anakin did.

Yoda getting his ass kicked by Palpatine.

After THE DUEL you have:

Death of Padme/birth of the twins.

Death of Anakin Skywalker, birth of suited robo-Vader.

What is probably the single funniest Threepio moment in all six movies when and why they decide to wipe his memory.

The decision on what to do with the twins.

Etc.
 
ManaByte

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Matlock said:
Okay, I'll bite. What happens?
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Basically after they decide what to do with the twins, Bail tells Captain Antilles to clean up and make the droids good as new because they'll belong to his new daughter (Leia). When Threepio hears that he starts going off "How lovely! "His daughter is the child of Master Anakin and Senator Amidala. I can hardly wait to tell her all about her parents! I'm sure she will be very proud-" Then Bail tells them to wipe the protocol droid's memory, and Threepio gets all depressed "Oh dear".
 
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What is probably the single funniest Threepio moment in all six movies
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After reading what it actually is, I'm now inclined to take everything else you say as if it's extreme hyperbole, because that little exchange seems rather meh to me, not :lol .
 
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Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
There's apparently a good 20 seconds of footage from the
opening space battle
in the Revenge of the Sith feature on the Star Wars: Clone Wars DVD. The disc is already getting reviewed at some places so I would imagine that footage will be leaking online any time now.
 
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