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[Kenobi]

One can only hope that this will be along side Empire...although Episode III looks promising. Don't think it will be better than Empire though.

 

[Tedesco!]

Don't think it will be better than Empire though.

Who cares? It's a winner as long as it's better than Jedi.

 

[Kenobi]

Who cares? It's a winner as long as it's better than Jedi.

Don't you mean better than Episode I?

 

[ManaByte]

Don't you mean better than Episode I?

No, because Episode I is better than Jedi

 

[IAmtheFMan]

Yeah, how is the 3rd movie, even if it's brilliant in it's own right, going to change the previous movies from sucking? Short of making the 3rd movie 9 hours long and re-doing the first 2 movies inside of it, I can't for the life of me see how this is possible. Hypnotism maybe?

While some parts of the prequels are unexcusably bad, I think a lot of parts that have been shrugged off and seen as the less interesting parts will really be interesting to watch after EP:3.

The first thing that immediately comes to mind is the fact that a lot of people were angry at EP:1 for being light, kiddy fare... Anakin as a little boy running around yelling "yippee!" grated on a lot of people. I'm now pretty convinced that Lucas made this as light and bubbly as he did to juxtapose it with the completely tragic and dark turn that EP:3 will take. After seeing EP:3 and some of the shit that Anakin does, it'll hopefully mak us feel the full weight of the situation. A little kid, grows up to do... this? Granted, we've seen him as Vader in the OT, but even then, his character is still removed from the Anakin that we got to know in the PT since there is that gap of how he became so evil.

Also, another part is that a lot of people watching the PT don't seem to get the depth of what Palpatine has been doing. Yeah, they picked up that maybe he's behind the stuff in EP:1 and 2, but a lot of people (i.e. almost all of my friends) don't pick up how deliciously manipulative and evil he really is being.

I really don't excuse some of the really bad parts of the PT; Jar-Jar, the love story, and a lot of the acting, but I think that EP:3 will really bring to light the whole story as a full.

 

[Tedesco!]

No, because Episode I is better than Jedi

Exactly! The one thing that bugged me about Jedi was how faked it looked. Everything was either squeeky clean or obviously set on a soundstage. It looks like someone filmed a theater troupe doing a stage production of Jedi. Hell, I'd watch the Holiday Special again before I watch Jedi. It's just not a good movie....

 

[kumanoki]

The first thing that immediately comes to mind is the fact that a lot of people were angry at EP:1 for being light, kiddy fare... Anakin as a little boy running around yelling "yippee!" grated on a lot of people. I'm now pretty convinced that Lucas made this as light and bubbly as he did to juxtapose it with the completely tragic and dark turn that EP:3 will take. After seeing EP:3 and some of the shit that Anakin does, it'll hopefully mak us feel the full weight of the situation. A little kid, grows up to do... this? Granted, we've seen him as Vader in the OT, but even then, his character is still removed from the Anakin that we got to know in the PT since there is that gap of how he became so evil.

See, the problem I have with the prequels has to do with the completely different images of Anakin from Episode 1 to Episode 2. It was hard for me to believe that the perky little boy who compared the queen to an angel would be leering at her bjoobies like a goon. His character has totally changed. I don't buy the leap from good kid to brooding putz. At least in the original trilogy, no characters personalities made that huge of a jump between movies. And Anakin is the focus of the story! I just don't buy it. SO I thought Episode 1 was alright, but Episode 2 irked me.

 

[IAmtheFMan]

See, the problem I have with the prequels has to do with the completely different images of Anakin from Episode 1 to Episode 2. It was hard for me to believe that the perky little boy who compared the queen to an angel would be leering at her bjoobies like a goon. His character has totally changed. I don't buy the leap from good kid to brooding putz. At least in the original trilogy, no characters personalities made that huge of a jump between movies. And Anakin is the focus of the story! I just don't buy it. SO I thought Episode 1 was alright, but Episode 2 irked me.

Yeah, I can see that. I guess I always thought that the dichotomy between the EP:1 and 2 Anakin was due to the fact that his life went from being one of complete simplicity, of being told "you're no one" to all of a sudden, being the star of the universe, the popular high school quarterback, the Chosen One. Add to that the ego-stroking of the Supreme Chancellor, and even the Jedi Council to some degree, and the transition is not entirely implausible. The line in EP:2 "His skills have made him... arrogant" kinda points to that. Would it have served better if we had seen some of that transition? Absolutely.

 

[shantyman]

I like Jedi fine, What is so bad about it? There are a lot of great moments in there, especially at the end with Vader/Luke/Emperor.

 

[Tedesco!]

I like Jedi fine, What is so bad about it? There are a lot of great moments in there, especially at the end with Vader/Luke/Emperor.

The acting is the worst of all 6 films. Harrison Ford just walks through the part. He's more there for comic relief than anything else. Chewie belting out the Tarzan yell? Are you fucking kidding me? Ewoks?

Even if you remove the acting and the teddy bears, the movie would still look like shit. Take for example the scene where Han and Lando are talking right before Han leaves for Endor. There's almost no set! It's just a bad painting.

The movie is bad. I'm a huge Star Wars fan, but when it comes to Jedi, I skip to the scenes that interest me.

 

[Kenobi]

The only real problem I had with the movie were the Ewoks, but they are more tolerable I think than Jar Jar, because at least Ewoks remind me of puppies. Luke as a Jedi is badass, and his new green sabre rules.

 

[The Bookerman]

No, because Episode I is better than Jedi

HOLD ON, EPISODE 1 is BIG PILE OF DIPSHIT.

Episode 1 was Star Wars for Kids.


Even Sam Jackson says so(see interview in Star Wars magazine).


The only thing that made the movie enjoyable was Qui Gon and Darth Maul.


Revenge of the sith... well seems on the verge of becoming an awesome movie.


Even Ewan McGregor says it's his favorite movie of the prequel trilogy.

 

[Tedesco!]

The only real problem I had with the movie were the Ewoks, but they are more tolerable I think than Jar Jar, because at least Ewoks remind me of puppies. Luke as a Jedi is badass, and his new green sabre rules.

I enjoyed the opening of Jedi. I thought the Jabba's Palace sequence was cool, but the whole movie took a turn for shit once the rebels hit Endor. I hit the skip button once Yoda dies until I get to the end. Even now it's harder to watch since they put Hayden at the end of the flick. I hope that's explained in Ep 3.

 

[Kenobi]

Well, the reason Hayden is in Jedi is because

Spoiler

When he died in Ep III, his soul was gone...so when he was brought back, he was pretty much souless and lost his identity, so once Luke set him free in Jedi, Anakin went back to the form from when he died and when he "knew" who he was.

I just don't know WHY he's wearing the traditional Jedi gear at the end though, since he never wears them in the prequals.

 

[Tedesco!]

Plus he's also giving Luke a creepy "come hither..." look. They never should have put him in there......

-edit-

Ok, myabe not come hither... but it is still kinda creepy...

 

[GDGF]

How many trailers are there for ROTS, anyway? Just wondering, because I just caught the tail end of one on the TV Guide Channel. I don't think it was a teaser (as there were way too many actual scenes from the movie), but, like I said earlier, I've been trying to avoid this thread.

Anyway, even though it was only the last 20 seconds or so, the trailer gave me the chills. I can't freaking wait for this.

If anybody else wants to see it, I'm sure the TV Guide Channel will be replaying it at least all day at various times. I had to go to class, so I didn't have time to camp in front of the TV to catch the whole thing. Tonight I will, though.

 

[Tedesco!]

Just the one right now, though a new one should pop up in the next few days....

 

[Kenobi]

Plus he's also giving Luke a creepy "come hither..." look. They never should have put him in there......

-edit-

Ok, myabe not come hither... but it is still kinda creepy...

What I wanna know is, how in the world did Luke know that was his father? Personally, I would have been like "Hey there's Ben. Yoda! Hey! Who the hell are you?"

 

[GDGF]

Damn, yeah it was just the teaser. Thought I broke some info there for a sec

 

[Boogie]

Well, the reason Hayden is in Jedi is because

Spoiler

When he died in Ep III, his soul was gone...so when he was brought back, he was pretty much souless and lost his identity, so once Luke set him free in Jedi, Anakin went back to the form from when he died and when he "knew" who he was.

I just don't know WHY he's wearing the traditional Jedi gear at the end though, since he never wears them in the prequals.

It doesn't matter if there's a "reason" behind the change. The change is retarded, and the reason behind it is retarded......but at least there is symmetry /Zathras.

 

[Kenobi]

It doesn't matter if there's a "reason" behind the change. The change is retarded, and the reason behind it is retarded......but at least there is symmetry /Zathras.

Well, I didn't say I agree with it. I'm kinda just a bit "meh" about the whole thing....and if they were gonna replace Shaw with Hayden, they should have put his entire body in there as well and not just replace the head. Also, why the hell is there a green light sabre in A New Hope?

 

[evil ways]

 

[ManaByte]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT that clip is awesome. The high res video that gif came from is on a continual loop right now.

Already did frame by frame and there's Anakin

Spoiler

KILLING NUTE!!!!

 

[mattx5]

There's a high res clip? Is it available to us commoners?

 

[Simo]

There's a high res clip? Is it available to us commoners?

Aye:
http://www.24web7.com/neomaul/video/ep3teaser.mov

Came from a preview that aired tonight during The OC. Fucking Awesome!

 

[mattx5]

Many thanks.

 

[ManaByte]

On the official site as well:
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/release/trailer/theocspot.html

 

[Simo]

Nice! Any chance of a direct link or host to download it?

Edit: Nevermind, I got it:
http://www.starwars.com//episode-iii/release/trailer/mov/2_0.mov

 

[IAmtheFMan]

Awesome. That is all.

 

[Manics]

The acting is the worst of all 6 films. Harrison Ford just walks through the part. He's more there for comic relief than anything else. Chewie belting out the Tarzan yell? Are you fucking kidding me? Ewoks?

Even if you remove the acting and the teddy bears, the movie would still look like shit. Take for example the scene where Han and Lando are talking right before Han leaves for Endor. There's almost no set! It's just a bad painting.

Jedi was a great ending to a great space soap opera. The first prequal movies are pale imitations of everything that made the original series so enjoyable to watch. Lucas has lost whatever inspiration he had back in the day.

I really can't believe you claim the acting in Jedi is the worst of all the films. You apparently enjoyed Hayden's wooden acting in Episode II and his hilarious "nightmare" sequence where it seems like he's jerking off in bed (or having a wet dream not sure which) I laughed my ass off at that supposedly "dramatic" scene.

 

[SteveMeister]

Just a request, can we keep the Star Wars bashing out of this thread, and keep it on-topic with spoiler pictures & talk? Plenty of opportunities for bashing Star Wars in other threads.

 

[ManaByte]

Jedi was a great ending to a great space soap opera. The first prequal movies are pale imitations of everything that made the original series so enjoyable to watch. Lucas has lost whatever inspiration he had back in the day.

I really can't believe you claim the acting in Jedi is the worst of all the films. You apparently enjoyed Hayden's wooden acting in Episode II and his hilarious "nightmare" sequence where it seems like he's jerking off in bed (or having a wet dream not sure which) I laughed my ass off at that supposedly "dramatic" scene.

50 Reasons Why Jedi Sucks

1. Ewoks, Ewoks, Ewoks
One of the miracles of the Star Wars Trilogy is that Lucas' bizarre and ever-present fascination with little people didn't hurt the first two films. The Jawas were cool. The Ugnaughts were cool. Kenny Baker as Artoo was cool. But George had to push his luck. The Ewoks are not cool. Period. In circles of die-hard Star Wars fans, to say you hate the Ewoks is like saying you enjoy breathing air. The Ewoks are the primary example of many of the points on this list: their unapologetic cuddliness is uncharacteristic and unwelcome; they look fake; they engage in constant physical comedy; their teddy bear design is wholly uninteresting; they live in boring surroundings; several of the film's dumbest scenes revolve around them; they were originally supposed to have been Wookies and they sing that damn song at the end.

But aside from what we see onscreen, the Ewoks are miserable little creatures for a completely different reason: they are the single clearest example of Lucas' willingness to compromise the integrity of his Trilogy in favor of merchandising dollars. How intensely were the Ewoks marketed? Consider this: "Ewok" is a household word, despite the fact that it's never once spoken in the film.

16. Unforgivable Dialogue
Threepio approaching Jabba's palace: "I have a bad feeling about this."

Han Solo, when confronted by Ewoks: "I have a bad feeling about this."

Leia, after releasing Solo from carbon freeze: "I gotta get you outta here."

Leia, after being freed from Jabba's chains: "We gotta get outta here."

Leia, after she and an Ewok are ambushed on Endor: "Let's get outta here."

With dialogue like this, it seems Lucas finally put that "million monkeys at a million typewriters" theory to the test.

25. Carrie Fisher's "Acting"
Han: Who are you?
Leia: Someone who LOVES you!
When Carrie Fisher isn't staring vacantly into space, she's emoting to degrees previously seen only in Mexican soap operas. At least today she's cool enough to admit that she was zoned out on coke the entire time.

28. The Opening Text Crawl
In which we are given our first taste of each of the three films. Let's compare their opening sentences, shall we?

WARS: "It is a period of civil war...."

EMPIRE: "It is a dark time for the Rebellion..."

JEDI: "Luke Skywalker has returned to his home planet of Tatooine in an attempt to rescue his friend Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt. Charro guest stars."

Okay, we threw in the part about Charro. But the point is, we're talking mythic tracts versus a blurb from TV Guide. The first sentence in Jedi centers around the word "friend." Well, that's just peachy, but we much prefer the first two films' implications that we're about to see something a bit larger than a buddy picture.

Update that one for the prequels:

PHANTOM: "Turmoil has engulfed the Galactic Republic..."

CLONES: "There is unrest in the Galactic Senate..."

SITH: "War!" The Republic is crumbling..."

WARS: "It is a period of civil war...."

EMPIRE: "It is a dark time for the Rebellion..."

JEDI: "Luke Skywalker has returned to his home planet of Tatooine in an attempt to rescue his friend Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt. Charro guest stars."

45. GeneralLY Dumb Dialogue
A couple of examples:

uVader, upon seeing that Luke has constructed a lightsaber: "Your skills are complete. Indeed, you are powerful as the Emperor has foreseen."

(Wait a second-all because he read a Time/Life book on electronics and soldered together some transistors? Does this mean Tim Allen is a Jedi?)

uYoda, near death, to Luke: "Remember: A Jedi's strength flows from the Force." (That's more of a first-day lesson, isn't it, Yoda? Something tells us Luke had that particular bit of wisdom written on a Post-It-Note and stuck to his X-Wing cockpit long ago.)

 

[mattx5]

Damn this thread has been lacking in spoilers lately. Come April 2nd though, I suggest that everyone bail out (ROTS Novelization comes out). On that day, anything and everything that can be spoiled, will be spoiled.

And without further ado, some catching up -

EPISODE III TERNIAN REPORT: Separated at Birth

March 1 2005

"To protect you both from The Emperor, you were hidden from your father when you were born." Ben Kenobi, Return of the Jedi.

After the birth of the twins and the death of Padme, the future of Luke and Leia is discussed by Bail, Yoda, and Obi-Wan.

Bail Organa offers to adopt Leia and the Jedi Masters agree.

Obi-Wan Kenobi is against keeping the children together. He hopes that even if one of them is found by The Sith, maybe the other will survive.

However, Yoda has a specific direction for their training.

"Jedi training, the sole source of self-discipline is not. " Yoda says. "When right is the time for skills to be taught, to us The Living Force will bring them. Until then, wait we will and watch, and learn."

"What of the boy?" asks Bail.

"Cliegg Lars still lives on Tatooine I think and Anakin's stepbrother... Owen that's it, and his wife Beru still work the moisture farm outside Mos Eisley..." replied Obi-Wan.

"As close to kinfolk as the boy can come." Yoda says approvingly. "But Tatooine, not like Alderaan it is, deep in the Outer Rim, a wild and dangerous planet."

"Anakin survived it." Obi-Wan said. "Luke can, too..."

EPISODE III TERNIAN REPORT: S.O.S Invisible Hand

March 2 2005

On the bridge of the Invisible Hand, the situation is getting rough. Anakin and Obi-Wan have just chopped up the MagnaGuards, SuperBattleDroids, and Droidekas when Grievous decides it's time to say goodbye.

"I am sorry I don't have time to fight you." says the General. "It would have been an interesting match but I have an appointment with an escape pod and you... YOU have appointments with death."

Grievous shoots a hook into a panel support, ignites the electrostaff, and throws it at the viewport. The transparisteel window is broken and a huge gust of wind blows the general out in space. Emergency shutters seal the bridge tight.

Using a cable and his magnetized feet/claws on the outer hull, Grievous crawls to the external hatch of the only bridge escape pod.

Unfortunately, Grievous ejected the rest of the escape pods before leaving - which is why Anakin has to land the crumbling cruiser on Coruscant; there is no other option.

EPISODE III CUT SCENES: A Helpful Han

March 3 2005

Young Solo was requested by George Lucas for shooting in Episode III: Revenge of the Sith. McCaig's costume design was approved by Lucas on the spot. Unlike the Han Solo we know in the Original Trilogy, the Episode III Solo was conceived as a 'slob' by McCaig.

So what was Han Solo's role?

In a conference room on Kashyyyk, Han Solo helped Yoda track down General Greivous. We were told in the script that Han was being raised by Chewbacca.

EPISODE III TERNIAN REPORT: Do What Must Be Done

Go visit the main site

http://www.millenniumfalcon.com/

More to come if I remember any....

 

[ManaByte]

Before anyone throws a fit over Han, it was always Lucas' origin for him. He explained it in the Annotated Screenplays:

"The idea was that Han Solo was an orphan. He was raised by Wookiees, befriended Chewbacca, and they went off."

 

[shantyman]

The problem with the Han scenario is what people on MF were saying- it does not make sense that he met Yoda yet does not believe in the force as he talks about in Ep. 4.

 

[DopeyFish]

The problem with the Han scenario is what people on MF were saying- it does not make sense that he met Yoda yet does not believe in the force as he talks about in Ep. 4.

meeting someone and believing in the force are 2 completely different things.

 

[SteveMeister]

The problem with the Han scenario is what people on MF were saying- it does not make sense that he met Yoda yet does not believe in the force as he talks about in Ep. 4.

Perhaps when the young Han met Yoda, Yoda didn't mention anything about the Force, or exhibit and Force powers. Also Han, meeting a Jedi Master and then basically seeing the Jedi routed, might have had some cause to be cynical about their power.

 

[shantyman]

meeting someone and believing in the force are 2 completely different things.

But what is the possibility of him meeting Yoda in preparation for a big battle and not seeing any evidence of the force?

 

[Kenobi]

Not only that, but Han also says that he's seen many weird things on his travels, and yet he clearly says in Episode IV that he does not believe in any mystical force that controls all. The idea of him being raise by Chewie is okay, except that would kind of kill his backstory a bit that he was raised by a wookie mother and then he freed Chewie when he was at the Academy. Or whatever.

 

[Tedesco!]

I really think Lucas is treading a thin line when it comes to all the cameos in the prequels. I can understand having Tarkin in the prequels, I can even understand having Boba in the prequels, but c'mon, do we really need every main player from the OT to have a bit role in the prequels? Greedo? Please. I'm glad Han isn't in the film. I wish Chewie weren't in the film as well..... but what can you do?

 

[Iceman]

I really see no problem with the scenario that has Han find this or that for the Jedi council/Yoda. Even if he saw tons of jedi tricks that still wouldn't necessarily convince anyone of an all powerful force behind everything... just like a non-christian wouldn't necessarily be converted to christianity by running into the Pope.

 

[mattx5]

I really think Lucas is treading a thin line when it comes to all the cameos in the prequels.

I personally think the whole Boba/Jango in the prequels was a huge misstep.

Here we have a minor character like Boba Fett. He's cool, but he shouldn't be more than a background character. But then Lucas went and made him a major focus of the prequel trilogy. I don't have a problem with this, as it resulted in some awesome fight scenes.

What I do have a problem with is the fact that the character arc ends by Boba Fett getting smacked, screaming like a little girl and falling into a pit. No revenge against the Jedi that killed his father, no fighting to the bitter end, nothing.

Major misstep there.

 

[Littleberu]

What I do have a problem with is the fact that the character arc ends by Boba Fett getting smacked, screaming like a little girl and falling into a pit. No revenge against the Jedi that killed his father, no fighting to the bitter end, nothing.

He does fight after this. He didn't die in the hole.

 

[mattx5]

He didn't die in the hole.

EU ain't canon

 

[tralfazz]

EU ain't canon

When did this change? I thought at one point that everything written post OT was canon. I know that Zahn's trilogy was. Did an official "Aw fuck em" come from Lucas about the time the PT startup?

 

[ManaByte]

When did this change? I thought at one point that everything written post OT was canon. I know that Zahn's trilogy was. Did an official "Aw fuck em" come from Lucas about the time the PT startup?

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/continuity.html

Therefore the films and their adaptations are canon, meaning that they take precedence in essentially all matters. Any other form of unfilmed STAR WARS fiction may be official, meaning that it is subordinate to canon and is required to be consistent with other official works. Issues relating to these secondary sources are described below. Works which do not have the blessing of Lucasfilm Ltd (which is not the same entity as LucasArts) are unofficial and cannot be given consideration.

The above continuity policy has been reaffirmed very recently in the introductory pages of the STAR WARS Encyclopedia by Stephen J. Sansweet. His terminology includes absolute canon for canon, and quasi-canon for the secondary and lower official material. He avoids the use of the official non-canon term more commonly used by fans: apocrypha. This may have something to do with the religious pejorative undertones that some readers perceive. However this site uses the more common terms for the sake of brevity. The terms are well understood by most online commentators on science fiction and fantasy literature, and no religious connotations are intended.

Like all films, the STAR WARS movies contain errors of a technical nature, which are unrelated to the spirit and substance of the story. Bloopers emerge unexpectedly from the idiosyncracies of the film creation processes. From the viewpoint of the creators of the film they are unintentional and unwanted. Actually being in the film does not make them a truly "real" part of STAR WARS. Judgements about the internal reality of the STAR WARS universe must correct for the bloopers.

Secondary and Further Sources.

Where they do not conflict with the spirit or fact of the canon, other sources are considered. These sources themselves must be sorted according to an order of precedence. First are the film novelisations and the radio dramas. This material is acceptable where it adds to or simply reiterates what is known from the films. Where they conflict with the films they are in error (except in cases where the film has an obvious blooper). Otherwise the secondary source is in error, and cannot serve as a basis for judging the internal reality of the STAR WARS universe. Such contradictory materials may be of little worth other than as entertainment. According to STAR WARS Encyclopedia, movie-based secondary sources are very close to canon status.

Example:

* Jerjerrod's last stand.
Following orders left by the Emperor, Moff Jerjerrod began rotating his Death Star to destroy the sanctuary moon when the rebels managed to eliminate the security deflector shield. He remained bravely at his command station ready to fire the superlaser while his troops and crew evacuated. This scene is in the novel but for some reason it was cut from the film. The film does not contradict it, and indeed the battle station is seen to have rotated so that it almost points groundward by the time it explodes. Thus this is an acceptable part of the greater continuity.

Next in precedence are most of those materials which are based in the time period spanned by the films. This includes the classic-era products from West End Games, the Williamson Classic STAR WARS comics, several of the republished Devilworlds comics, STAR WARS Holiday Special, the TIE Fighter computer games and Shadows of the Empire.

Only the films are canon. The novels and everything licensed are official, but not canon. Basically, the movies cancel out everything else. So if someone writes a book about Han Solo's origin, and Lucas then decides to do his own, then the version made for the film (even if it doesn't make it into the film) is canon.

'Gospel,' or canon as we refer to it, includes the screenplays, the films, the radio dramas and the novelisations. These works spin out of George Lucas' original stories, the rest are written by other writers.

As I know someone would post it. That is referring to the novels based on the original three movies, not the Zahn trilogy. The original trilogy novels are canon, Zahn's are official but non-canon.

 

[ManaByte]

From the MF.com forums:

 

[tralfazz]

Hard to believe there is so much fan intensity to this mythos when Lucas can jerk it around on a whim. It's like what's the point of canon? Seems kinda sloppy don't it?

 

[mattx5]

In my mind, Star Wars is a series of FILMS first, not books. I like some stuff in the EU, but I view it in a kind of 'otherworld, continuing the adventures' sense.

What happens in the films is concrete in my opinion. Boba Fett falls into the Sarlaac Pit in ROTJ. As far as I'm concerned, he dies.

EU also angers me when it enters into discussions about the prequels. Back before the rush of spoilers, you'd have people discussing the most insane story possibilities, things that only the EU would cover. These fans have forgotten that the Star Wars films are SIMPLE, that the EU made the mythos more complex. They've forgotten that Star Wars is a series of movies.

They're theorizing all these last minute twists which have no basis in the films (Palpatine is a clone? Palpatine is Anakin's father?). When it comes down to it, stuff like that is poor storytelling and poor filmmaking. You have to introduce concepts into films in a timely fashion. Things that weren't even hinted at in Episodes 1 and 2 have no place being in ROTS.

 

[ManaByte]

I think this was on purpose: