Brawly Likes to Brawl
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After the last year's E3 direct fell flat I can't see them steering clear of conferences for much longer.
New 'X' trailer [Monolithsoft] shows uncut gameplay
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I don't even know what I'm looking at. I thought this was gonna be like some Starfox awesome flying game from the original announcement trailer at e3 or whenever that was.
Now I see a dude swinging a sword at a big ape, the sword no even coming anywhere close to making contact, yet registering hits, the enemy not reacting in any way to getting hit. Then he got in the mech and it looked just as boring. The graphics look good.
Now I see a dude swinging a sword at a big ape, the sword no even coming anywhere close to making contact, yet registering hits, the enemy not reacting in any way to getting hit. Then he got in the mech and it looked just as boring. The graphics look good.
Wishmaster92
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I hope so.
DragonGirl
Member
Dude...it's an RPG.
I gotta stay out of this thread, it's bad for my blood pressure...
I wouldn't be too worried about that honestly. From what Nintendo has said about it in the past few months, I'm pretty sure they'll have an actual press conference this year.
StreetsAhead
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By having the Direct in Feb, we can assume the next one will be April, then we have a nice two month gap to E3. I do hope they do a conference, but as a viewer online it's all the same to me. So long as the stream works, gosh darn it.
Vanillalite
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Doesn't mean people weren't hoping for more say PSO with Mechs than what we actually got.
X gon' give it ya!
Heh, I've said it before but the reason I got Xenoblade on a whim was because I saw Operation Rainfall reported on IGN while checking up on Skyward Sword, and read their review, and the prospect of an awesome adventure and a strange Nintendo game I'd never heard of before is what sold me on it. I didn't know it was a "JRPG" or that the battle system was the way it was. I just saw a huge world and a big adventure and I liked what I saw. But after getting home and trying it out in April, I only got to about an hour in before I thought "Collect blue orbs? They're sort of attacking on their own? Is the camera focusing on the ass of this cute anime looking girl while she's carrying food to her brother? I wasted my money!" and didn't try playing it again until six months later and I was in the right mindset (and finally got an HDTV and component cables to hook up the Wii to). Next thing I knew, I was addicted to that game. The key was to let the game be what it was and to figure out the battle mechanics, and enjoy the world and the story too (I ended up really liking the whole package). I didn't "get it" until I went ahead and switched characters and watched how the AI handled battle with the character I was using previously (Shulk).
The prospect of a "refined Xenoblade" arouses me because there were many aspects of Xenoblade that needed polish, and I loved it so much despite that. And this is their chance to really extend on what they did in Xenoblade. What this gameplay video does not show is the thinking that happens as the player plays. (Remember, watching a trailer is a spectator thing, but playing the actual game is an engaging activity.) Where do I position myself to use this particular "art" effectively, if I do choose to use it? In what order should I use them (some have special effects if used in certain orders with other arts)? Should I release a torrent of arts at once and risk not having any for a time during their cooldown periods? Which buffs or auras should I use on myself and do I need to use them concurrently with other arts for best effect? What conditions do I need to meet before I can use certain arts, and can I meet them soon? (Should I even put that art in my battle pallette if that condition is unlikely to be met in this battle?) Is the timing right to use the arts once, then execute a team attack to continue? etc.
Oh and now there's the option of taking the fight to the skies or staying on the ground, and the choice of seamlessly moving between sky and land. To be honest, the thing that I didn't like about the trailer was it seemed that there's a lot more "shooting"/guns invovled now! I'd breathe a sigh of relief if the ether/"magic" styled weapons were back, rather than just swords and guns. But when I watch the trailer, it comes from an understanding of how the battle system works, and as I see the players making their moves I can also imagine that "thinking" process that happens when using this battle system. They're not just randomly selecting icons
RPG is a fairly broad term. The first trailer to me looked like an RPG akin to Fallout I guess, some dude and his mech going on adventures.
This trailer gameplay shows a completely different experience, which I don't think was highlighted at all in the first trailer
DragonGirl
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If that's the case then RPG as a term may have become so broad as to have lost all meaning. This is a JRPG with combat based on auto attacks (normal attacks) and special attacks and abilities that have a cool down period. You have full control of your character's movements at all time. The rest of your party is AI controlled. Think Final Fantasy 12ish, only less tedious. Its basically a turn based RPG that traded in menu combat for something more real time. Xenoblade had one of my favorite combat systems of all time, beating out what they did in Final Fantasy 13 by a hair. "X" looks like it uses the same style of combat as Xenoblade.
I think a lot of people read or assumed RPG (of some kind) and didn't assume classic turn based automated attacks JRPG when determining what was being offered. I don't think that is an unreasonable position to have had if all you have seen is the first trailer until now.
Then again, maybe I am just excusing my own ignorance. The number of people who had the wrong idea about the game indicates it may have been a genuine miscommunication in terms of people who were not familiar with the earlier game. The number of people pissed off at the number of people who misunderstood is amusing though.
Then again, maybe I am just excusing my own ignorance. The number of people who had the wrong idea about the game indicates it may have been a genuine miscommunication in terms of people who were not familiar with the earlier game. The number of people pissed off at the number of people who misunderstood is amusing though.
Not pissed, just kind of baffled. I guess I didn't expect the total overlap of the populations of "excited for X" , "not familiar with xenoblade", and "expecting action combat" to be so high. I guess the word of mouth of the acclaim of Xenoblade and Monolithsoft got out, but a fair number of people took it as fact with actually being familiar with the product themselves.
DragonGirl
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I suppose I am pissed. I'm pissed off at the habit of people to condemn first and not even bother to ask about what they're seeing. I don't see people asking about what they're looking at, just "oh, that doesn't fit whatever my preconceived notion of what this game is, therefore it's trash". If you want to write it off, fine, but at least ask what the hell it is first.
Also, the lack of people who've actually played Xenoblade in this thread is criminal. Most enjoyable RPG (in the classical sense) I've played since Chrono Trigger on the SNES. Project "X" has a very high bar to meet.
Also, the lack of people who've actually played Xenoblade in this thread is criminal. Most enjoyable RPG (in the classical sense) I've played since Chrono Trigger on the SNES. Project "X" has a very high bar to meet.
Fair enough.
Hang on, people were hyped first, not condemning, and if you don't like traditional JRPG gameplay, I don't see what else you need to know to say 'Maybe this isn't for me'.
You are upset about people jumping to conclusions, but they did that in a positive way at first and now you are pissed that their incorrect assumption has been corrected? Before people knew what it was they were hyped. You have it backwards.
Which would be obvious if you played it before I guess. Lots of people haven't. I thought what they showed initially looked like an open world RPG/TPS hybrid with mechs. I was wrong, fair enough, but enough other people had a similar idea that I think they needed to be clearer about the gameplay aspects. Of course, that assumes they are as worked up about people having the wrong idea as some of the posters in the thread. Probably they don';t care at all, which is fine.
What confuses me is that I don't see how you could watch the snipets of gameplay in the reveal trailer and then be confused at this latest gameplay trailer. There is nothing dissimilar about them. I'm more confused than anything.
Dark_castle
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Xenoblade is a great game, but it's far from being a "classic" RPG. Games like Grandia, Lunar, FFIX and Bravely Default are what you're looking for in "classic" RPG.
Well here's the thing. You can either say everyone who had the wrong idea is stupid, or you can say maybe the reveal trailer was not as clear to everyone else as it was to you.
I said neither of those things and don't particularly enjoy you insuating that I'm calling anyone stupid.
Y'all were placing expectations into this game based on your experience with other games. That doesn't make you stupid. The exact opposite really.
But that doesn't mean that the trailer wasn't clear in its intent either. The eyes of some Western gamers may see things differently is all.
I didn't say that :? I don't think you said that everyone is stupid. I am talking about your confusion about people being confused. Either the trailer was effective communication or it was not. If it was, the reason for so many people to have the wrong idea is on people not getting something they should have. I am saying the trailer may not have been as clear as people who have played the earlier games think it was to people who haven't played the fucking games.
Damn people are touchy about this fucking shit. I don't particularly enjoy that.
I will agree with that. It may be that it was clear to the people it was intended to be clear to. If the intended audience got it, then it is fine. As I said, if the people involved are happy with it, it is fine.
What am I reading?
Why in God's name would you look for a PSO-styled RPG when it was established that it'd use Xenoblade as a template? Please, don't attempt to validate other people's ignorance.
...Lord. I'm thinking of starting an X discussion thread where having played Xenoblade is a prerequisite for participation, because it seems like the only way we'll be able to do away with all of this nonsense.
You are the sort of poster I am talking about. Oh no, somebody had the wrong ideas about a game based on a trailer. The end of the world is nigh, abandon all hope for gaming discussion.
:/
Edit: Really, you are that upset by people talking about they were wrong? Really?
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Maybe if this game was named Xenoblade Chronicles 2 from the get go, people wouldn't be too surprised by the battle system.
LOL, probably not a bad idea.
Touchy? Really? C'mon dude.
Maybe the trailer wasn't as obvious for those who hadn't played Xenoblade. I also think it was probably silly to hype up a game that's a spiritual successor to another game without even looking at a gameplay video of Xenoblade. Xenoblade's been on the market for a while and there are plenty of videos of its gameplay systems and play throughs. I mean, sure, now you know, but... I really am still confused at people's expectations given the information available.
Yes, touchy. Reading a personal accusation into what I posted is pretty touchy. I realise I did use the word 'you' but it was never meant to be directed at you personally even if it was it was not saying you think everyone is stupid. So yeah, touchy.
People are getting pissed off because people are correcting their incorrect idea of what the game is about. It is insane. I think they are just pissed off that people are less interested now, not that they had the wrong idea. Which is fine too if you were expecting a massively popular game based on reactions from last year. But this jumping on people for not playing the earlier Xeno games and having the wrong idea is not real productive to getting people on side.
Assuming posters with misgivings about how this game would play ever expressed their beliefs, surely they were corrected and directed to some Xenoblade footage? Or atleast had the common sense to search for said footageafter everyone and their mother said it looked like an updated xeXenoblade battle system.
That said I think this trailer was just a terrible way to show off the game, but I'm not surprised since Nintendo and marketing go together like marmite and being trampled to fucking death.
That said I think this trailer was just a terrible way to show off the game, but I'm not surprised since Nintendo and marketing go together like marmite and being trampled to fucking death.
If you want to have a discussion, don't make ad hominem arguments because of misreading of intent. Especially for someone who seems to have labeled themselves a champion of discourse.
I'm serious. This? This is annoying. Don't do this.
I didn't notice anyone doing that prior to this thread, but then again, I don't keep massively close tabs on every game right up until release. I look at announcements, keep an occasional eye on it, and if nothing drives me off before then I finally assess it when it is actually ready. Apparently that makes people angry.
If people on GAF have been correcting people who expected something else that is great.
Ad hominem? Where? I didn't intend to that, so if you could point it out that would be awesome.
And what is annoying. This? What is this? Don't do what?
If you can actually provide some argument other than 'what did people expect, lol' that would be pretty useful.
Upset? Is that what you're reading? Try incredulous at the utter and total laziness so blatantly displayed by others. But I find it interesting that you would think me upset. Oh, and please, cut it out with the ad absurdum nonsense; it's not going to lead anywhere pleasant.
Yeah, upset. What you have just posted reads as someone who is upset. Incredulous at the laziness? Yeah, that's someone upset at somebody for something.
And where have I tried to reduce to Ad absurdum now?
Edit:
Nonsense, rationalising ignorance, why in gods name. Upset.
You decided to double down on calling me touchey because of a misreading of intent. That's annoying. Don't do that. That's not how you have a discussion.
I don't even care about what you though X was going to be about. These sorts of posts are super bothersome. It's really not hard to not be a dick.
After you accused me of something I didn't do and got on your high horse about it? Yeah, touchy. I stand by that.
I made a very civil post in reply to your post and you started accusing me of shit that you have not substantiated. Ad hominems. Poor decsriptions of what it is that is bothering you about my posts. You are making accusations, not backing them up, and saying I am being a dick? Come on, you are better than this.
Look, yes, I think your reply to my post saying I was accusing you of thinking everyone is stupid was touchy. Sorry if that bothers you, but I think it was. Getting so worked up about it now is not doing anything to change my mind.
At no point have you said 'sorry for misinterpreting what you said'. So why would I presume you agreed you misinterpreted my words?
And please, where is the ad hominem?
Edit: Never mind. I apologise if you thought I was saying you thought everyone was stupid.
From what I see, it'd be a waste of time carrying on this conversation, as you seem set on your own interpretations rather than what's actually there. That's dandy with me, but I think this is where I bow out in this little exchange.
yiepekaiyei
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the press has hinted this game to be xenoblade's spiritual successor since the very beginning. I can't imagine people being excited about it and not searching for some gameplay of past games. It's obvious. I knew exactly what to expect, and I didn't play xenoblade before the anouncement of X. Only after. Google is your friend, remember that.
Hell, I don't even think you're being serious. Just trolling with us.
Hell, I don't even think you're being serious. Just trolling with us.
And_Gignac
Member
It is understandable that many people are disappointed, but I bet those people were not very aware of what kind of battle system Xenoblade has and were just jumping on the X hype.
Southernfried Pimpin
Banned
I just rewatched the original trailer & they show the exact gameplay that they showed the other day.
I don't see how anyone could watch that & get hyped & then get more of the same gamplay & think it sucks.
Maybe y'all didn't pay attention until the guy jumped in the mech.
I don't see how anyone could watch that & get hyped & then get more of the same gamplay & think it sucks.
Maybe y'all didn't pay attention until the guy jumped in the mech.
Why? What's bad about it? They made the mistake of actually showing the game?
Enough people seemingly got hyped or simply interested from the first trailer and 2nd to get absolutely disappointed with this full out 3rd one with the full on combat.
Does it really matter at all that they had the wrong idea from the start and now it's corrected? Their just expressing their disappointment and it's their rightful opinion, there definitely doesn't need to be this ball kicking in this thread of "you never played or bother watching xenoblade to know this game was going to be exactly like it and what that entailed? lol"
Does it really matter at all that they had the wrong idea from the start and now it's corrected? Their just expressing their disappointment and it's their rightful opinion, there definitely doesn't need to be this ball kicking in this thread of "you never played or bother watching xenoblade to know this game was going to be exactly like it and what that entailed? lol"
OmegaDL50
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I think based on the history of the developers of this game, and the fact the game uses a red "X" not unsimilar to the red X in Xenogears should have been a clear hint and what sort of game this is, especially considering the other games Monolith staff developed that also started with an X in their title.
Those that had this preconceived notion that this was going to be like Monster Hunter or Phantasy Star Online. Which is baffling considering the history of the types of games they did developed that weren't Soma Bringer or Disaster.
Hell the fact that this game has open world exploration and used a large red X for it's pre-finalized title should have been a HUGE hint and what type of project Monolith Soft was working on, to those that have any familiarity at all with these devs.
Those that had this preconceived notion that this was going to be like Monster Hunter or Phantasy Star Online. Which is baffling considering the history of the types of games they did developed that weren't Soma Bringer or Disaster.
Hell the fact that this game has open world exploration and used a large red X for it's pre-finalized title should have been a HUGE hint and what type of project Monolith Soft was working on, to those that have any familiarity at all with these devs.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
This is how I feel right now, personally I wish I could spend more time in this thread adn enjoy it.
You're implying people should of done their research on a trailer of a game they may have found interest in that explained so little, would it be surprising if people don't bother? "Oh nice looking game I'll be sure to keep a eye on this one." ?
One way or another they will find out what the game is like, whether that is by research or just by waiting on more information. We finally got a trailer with a big emphasis of showing off the combat and seemingly a bunch of people have shown their disinterest now, I'm hardly surprised.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Wow
The uncut combat wasn't very flattering or exciting. I don't think the majority of people enjoy watching other people play games, especially RPGs. Just as skyward sword's live demo wasn't too exciting.
First X trailer had the right idea.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
I've never played Xenoblade, but I was very excited for the game after the reveal.
The gameplay trailer however turned me off.
I don't know what I was expecting but that didn't amaze me. Still looks like a fun game, though.
The gameplay trailer however turned me off.
I don't know what I was expecting but that didn't amaze me. Still looks like a fun game, though.
OmegaDL50
Member
So if Naughty Dog was making an announced "untitled" game about about a world traveling treasure hunter, It's NOT out of the ordinary to reach to the conclusion that the game would be related to Uncharted in some fashion based on their development history, even if said title of the game was not revealed and all players had to go on was "The name of the developer" and brief snippets of "gameplay footage" to deduce the sort of project the game is about.
This is the point I'm trying to make.
Those who are familiar with the types of games Monolith worked on, as soon as the initial reveal trailer many months ago had a large red X at the end with filled with large explorable environments, fighting monsters, and Mecha. It was a given that it was a "Xeno" sort of title based on Monolith's history.