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New York City Approves Large Sugary Drinks Ban
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flippymittens
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Nah, if the anything the Republican party would be greatly harmed if they preached that you should allow to poison yourself.
So society should endure the woes caused by soda, alcohol, cigarettes, because you want to poison your body just in the name of freedom?
Prohibition was a success in curbing alcohol consumption, the existence of the blackmarket was a failure on law enforcement's behalf.
How would they be ruining it for you if you have self control? An XL Jumbo size soda isn't self control.
perfectchaos007
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But that's also not true. A 20oz soda is 2 servings, but no where near a "giant" soda. Your title would be just as sensationalist as the OP's, but on the other end of the spectrum.
17oz is not an XL JUMBO size!!!
flippymittens
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This, though why would one pride themselves on their ability to moderately consume poison is a question raised by that statement?
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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As a kid, my mom would buy a large soda and get 4 empty cups and straws for me and my brothers to share in order to save money. Now, she would have to buy 4 individual ones.
Sounds like you're ready to ban everything.
Zoe
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Hell, the bf and I still do that as adults.
Wait, couldn't she just buy the next size down and everyone gets a little less?
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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16/4= 4 oz each. We weren't squirrels.
perfectchaos007
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with Ice added to the 16oz cup, you'll probably get less than 12oz of soda. That's barely enough to be a personal. Split between 4 people, we're talking 3-4 sips each.
Goldrusher
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It's giant to any normal person.
Pretty much everything in a glass or cup in Europe is 25cl. Cans are 33cl.
New York will/wants to ban everything over 47cl.
You're saying it yourself, it's 2 servings.
flippymittens
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Where did I say the government should control all aspects of our life? I think the government should not allow corporations to market and sell poison to us.
astroturfing
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well yeah, obviously at least cigarettes should be banned. they simply should not be sold anywhere. if cigarettes were invented now, they would not pass any health tests and would most certainly not end up on store shelves. they are only around still because they are "tradition" and because people are so stuck in their old ways.
i'd be fine if most alcoholic drinks were also banned from sale. hasn't the substance caused enough damage to humans already over the centuries? i personally lost my other grandpa to alcohol (other to cigarettes). and an old friend. and almost my dad.
weed i'm not sure about.. never heard of anyone dying from it or anyone even harming anyone else while high. long term use isn't good for the brain though. i'd personally like to try it (well i did once, but it did nothing) as medicine, to see if it helps with my chronic backpain.
The fuck it did. Speakeasies wouldn't have existed if it was successful. And the law enforcement wasn't the only party at fault, people CHOSE to break that ridiculous law because they realized how retarded it was to ban alcohol. There had to be a gigantic market for the black-market to succeed as it did.
Freedom is one of the most important features of this country.
Oh, I almost forgot that we should ban fast food too. Its existence make people uber fat.
flippymittens
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When did I say I wanted to ban everything?
perfectchaos007
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So you're effectively calling Americans abnormal. Our normal is different than your normal, but I wouldn't call Europeans abnormal just because they are accustomed to a different standard in drink sizes
Don't throw around the word 'corporations ' so lightly like some kind of buzzword. There's lots of private brewing industries in the US that make all kinds of drinks, soda included. The line between a poison and a medicine is very small after-all. (e.x. Origins of Coca-Cola)
facter: NYC bans *sizes above 16oz. Giant is totally subjective based on who you are and where you are. Just run a mile in July and think 20oz is Giant?* sodas at Restaurants, *Food stands which are at every corner, *Theatres, *Sporting events. Also if the eating establishment is self-serve, cups larger than 16oz are banned regardless of if the customer wants diet.*
Does that fit in the thread title?
flippymittens
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Alcohol is a poison, you can not deny that less people consumed alcohol, there were less alcoholics and the prohibition was a success in curbing alcoholism.
Just like a ban in soda would help curb major health problems.
Freedom? So we should let people kill others I mean that is freedom after all? Freedoms that are a detriment to society at large should be allowed?
Ah, I see now. I forgot that you could buy bigger than 20oz.
perfectchaos007
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Do you realize how many things would be banned if we made illegal all the things a minority of people couldn't control themselves with? 1/3rd of America is obese ( a minority ), but 2/3rds of the people ( a majority ) have to suffer the consequence in NYC now.
shadowsdarknes
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WTF! WTF!! This is outrageous and I don't drink soda. Government has a role in our lives but this is wayyyyyyyy too controlling.
flippymittens
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True, noone, no entity should be allowed to market and sell poison, my bad on the wording I apologize.
So you are blaming the victims?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Again, there's no basis to compare killing other people to drinking unhealthy sodas. You're just drawing a million inappropriate comparisons by applying the black and white logic that "well, they're all bad for society!" You know what else is bad for society? Being alive in general.
Trent Strong
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Soda isn't poison Braj Mahal.
Alcoholism rates increased during prohibition, and alcohol poisoning (as a result of government efforts to diminish the potential supply of alcohol) claimed at least 10,000 lives during that era.
Of course, this law isn't a prohibition on soda, so this discussion is kind of off-track.
You can still buy precisely the same amount of soda after this ban as you could before.
shadowsdarknes
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Victims? Your seriously saying people who can't control their consumption are fucking victims?
Kccitystar
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I think of it as more of a psychological power-play than anything else, IMO
Apple to oranges with your other point.
astroturfing
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it really is though, isn't it. true freedom doesn't exist anyway, anywhere. and shouldn't, because it would be lunacy. people need to be controlled, and laws and regulations are needed to keep things in check. it's all about to what extent do we want personal freedoms to be limited, since everyone sensible agrees that they should be limited (taking a life shouldn't be allowed, torturing animals etc).
i think modern individualists have pushed personal freedoms a bit too far in the West.. it has become almost like a religion, and it's a trend i wish would slow down soon. it makes people selfish and think they have some sacred rights that trump much larger and important issues like a safe society, or a healthy society. gun ownership in the US is a good example, people have been so in love with the idea of having a personal freedom to own a gun, that it doesn't even matter if in the larger picture it fucks up the entire society and makes everyone less safe... many think owning a gun should be a personal right, no matter what. any detrimental consequence to society at large is OK as long as one rather arbitrary personal freedom is kept... straight up delusional and borders on an unshakeable religious conviction IMO.
speculawyer
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Kinda like religion. With cellphone cams, the internet, and other modern tools, the mythologies used to start religions are just too easily debunked. So brand new religions don't really get off the ground anymore. Scientology kinda squeaked in under the wire but it is struggle for legitimacy.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Basically, what you're advocating is discriminatory. There's a word for it btw. Quantityism .
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Oh, you're right, I'm obviously misquoting you. What you actually said was that the government should mandate particular diets, mandate how much television may be consumed, ban the discrimination of people based on weight and appearance, ban alcohol, ban soda, ban sugar and ban speech that offends other people. But not that the government should control all aspects of our lives.
WanderingWind
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Yup. Which is why they must be controlled. Because I motherfucking said so, that's why, citizen.
The only thing that I understand is the fact that you a. somehow don't know that obesity is an issue that will impact the general populace from a financial and economic standpoint and b. you are either too oblivious or willfully ignorant to distinguish between different types and magnitudes of government influence. There are plenty of other sales bans in place in NYC; hint: the sky hasn't fallen down.
Commerce is not some stupid laissez-faire fairy tale by the virtue of your unestablished idealism not being able to make distinctions beyond one degree of connections.
IrrelevantNotch
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Seems kind of silly that the soda industry would oppose this.
perfectchaos007
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Oh right, I forgot someone who's not able to control their soda intake has a disease. They are completely powerless, and freewill is hindering their ability of self moderation. They need the government to step in to make large drinks illegal for everybody, so their temptation will alleviate. Next they need to ban chocolate bars over 3 oz because my grandmother tends to eat a lot during soap operas. Only the 1oz fun size bars should be sold.
When it comes to substances that adversely affect someone's health, which increases healthcare costs for everyone in the society, government has the right to step in for the public interest. Obesity is an epidemic in this country, and soft drinks are the main driver of it. It has to be curtailed somehow, and if NYC believes it's banning oversized soft drinks, then so be it.
WanderingWind
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So, exactly how much TV does she watch?
Literally anything unhealthy can be regulated with this lazy-ass thinking. Want us to examine your life and see how the government can step in and save you from yourself?
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Nope. If I want 20 oz. of cherry coke, there would have to be two 10 oz cups available. Or 8 and 12 oz. cups. Or 16 and 4 oz cups. Etc.
Give me an example of common sized cups that = 20 oz.
IrrelevantNotch
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The government benefits from having healthy citizens. Especially in regards to our economy which must compete on a global scale.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
If it exceeds a certain number of hours, the government is going to have to step in, obviously. It's not good for her.
perfectchaos007
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I think the soap opera block is from 10am-3pm which is 5 hours. 1 hour over the limit of what one Gaffer thinks is appropriate.
astroturfing
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btw, have you guys read about how Alzheimer's is now considered by many scientists to be a form of Diabetes, caused by a high calory diet?
with the obesity problem America has, you could be having a MAJOR epidemic of Alzheimer's in the coming decades. that is absolutely frightening to me, and should be to anyone who cares about society.. a nation full of people literally losing their minds. and why? because the personal freedom to eat toxic garbage was so important?
if a little bit of "nanny statism" can help to alleviate such a nightmarish scenario, wouldn't it be worth it? or does having the right to have a massive amount of soda REALLY trump that?
yes i know i'm a bit hyperbolic and soda is not the only cause for obesity, but it's a start isn't it?
with the obesity problem America has, you could be having a MAJOR epidemic of Alzheimer's in the coming decades. that is absolutely frightening to me, and should be to anyone who cares about society.. a nation full of people literally losing their minds. and why? because the personal freedom to eat toxic garbage was so important?
if a little bit of "nanny statism" can help to alleviate such a nightmarish scenario, wouldn't it be worth it? or does having the right to have a massive amount of soda REALLY trump that?
yes i know i'm a bit hyperbolic and soda is not the only cause for obesity, but it's a start isn't it?
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