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New York City Approves Large Sugary Drinks Ban
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So you are telling me that 3 liters of soda is going to turn me into a fat Mexican?
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Angry Fork
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Bloomberg is a piece of shit idiot bordering on the evil because of the NYPD stuff alone. I really wish/hope he'd be replaced as well as a dramatic changes to how NYPD operates.
Honestly, I'm a pretty thin guy but seeing a movie with a 16 oz soda is ridiculous. Am I supposed to leave the movie three times during the movie to get more soda? Also, people typically go to movies once a week. I doubt the theatres are what is causing people to get fat.
I can't wait to see all the headaches this will cause. The theatres make most of their money on concessions and their biggest sellers are popcorn and large sodas. It will be like a mini-Prohibition: people will be smuggling large sodas into theatres.
Anyways, bans such as these have been done before and with the exception of cigarettes, get overturned with the justice system or voter supported propositions. You can encourage people to do the right thing and limit sweets but you can't force them to.
I can't wait to see all the headaches this will cause. The theatres make most of their money on concessions and their biggest sellers are popcorn and large sodas. It will be like a mini-Prohibition: people will be smuggling large sodas into theatres.
Anyways, bans such as these have been done before and with the exception of cigarettes, get overturned with the justice system or voter supported propositions. You can encourage people to do the right thing and limit sweets but you can't force them to.
njean777
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Umm it takes away your choices. The root cause is our education system and how it does not educate and instill lasting values in children. They teach about healthy eating (very little btw) then when you look at the lunch menus it is full of pizza, tacos, chicken nuggets, chips, etc. Now granted you can get a salad, but school food tastes so bad and is really cheap that I do not trust that salad to be fresh. We don't make our kids workout everyday as they should in school during PE, and PE should be mandatory all throughout school k-12, with very few exceptions. (medical condition or if a person is in athletics.) There is a huge problem in our school systems when I myself had to go and figure out what foods are bad, why they are bad, how to read labels, how much I should workout, the proper way to workout, I mean I had to do all of this myself, why? (not complaining just showing an example) Because our school system which is in place to teach me things never taught me any of this stuff.
I am from Texas so in our school system you only had to participate in PE until 10th grade. Even then you could sit around and be lazy during PE. If you are not in football they could give a rats ass what you are doing during PE.
It may seem like brainwashing, but this brainwashing is something that will help them to live a longer healthier life, without taking their choice away of eating or drinking what they want.
PastorOfMuppets
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I would think that a better plan would be to give incentive for people to eat healthy foods rather than wag a finger at them for eating bad foods.
Monocle
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I hope this measure helps to reduce obesity. I understand the nanny state concerns and everything, but really, improbably huge soda sizes are an option that impoverished fat people could do without.
As the article says, consumers' choices aren't limited by the restrictions since people can buy as many smaller drinks as they want. So this ban is more like a speed bump that encourages you to ask yourself whether you really need to pour more than 16 oz of fizzy sugar down your throat with one meal.
As the article says, consumers' choices aren't limited by the restrictions since people can buy as many smaller drinks as they want. So this ban is more like a speed bump that encourages you to ask yourself whether you really need to pour more than 16 oz of fizzy sugar down your throat with one meal.
Neuromancer
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Yeah
Jon Stewart/Daily Show:
Part 1 - http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-may-31-2012/drink-different
Part 2 - http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-may-31-2012/drink-different---pick-your-poison
Great segments
Deified Data
Banned
Semantics. The ban pertains to beverages and that's how it'll be perceived. If the public feels they're being short-changed and coddled, they're going to respond negatively. It's a losing battle. Even if it sticks, it's not going to have the desired effect. GAF's single-minded support of this ban is bizarre, given its collective tendency towards drug legalization. Fuck the "One is certifiably dangerous" argument - you're not going to kill someone behind the wheel hopped up on pop.
Most resturaunts have free refills and to-go cups anyways so people will still drink to their fill without having to buy another cup.
I agree mostly but when it gets to the point where the majority of the nation becomes obese and diabetic they have to find ways to fix it. Drastic ways. Because when these people who are stomping around demanding to be allowed to do what they want collapse from a heart attack or get diabetes all of a sudden they're going to want their evil government to take care of them. And we have to front the bill for a lot of that, and we can't afford it as more and more people become so unhealthy.
V
Vilix
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I'm opening up a Big Gulp speak easy on Broadway and 86th. When you see Vinny just say "alkaloids".
Dark Octave
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People should have a right to buy whatever they want, but at the same time, why would anyone need 20 oz of soda in a single day?
JetBlackPanda
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Does this apply to fountain drinks sold at gas stations?
Dude Abides
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Actually it won't be perceived that way, because people will still see 16-ounce cups available. This is just like the smoking ban, a bunch of overwrought outrage over nothing.
radios shipping overview
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This is fine. And this isn't telling individuals what they can't buy. It's telling vendors what they can't sell. If you want refills, they're yours.
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
So what's next, New York, you gonna put a ban limit on red meats next? How about you ban Sundae's and milkshakes. It's all bad for your health, I mean fuck it why not?
I always thought of America as a place where people fought for their civil liberties and praised them to the nth degree, but it seems that every liberty that wasn't covered in the bill of rights has been taken away or limited. Holy crap. Whatever happened to personal responsibility?
THE SODA MUST FLOW!!
Wait, does that read 1.9l? What the fuck? Why would you need a drink that large? On second thought, how can you even drink something that large?
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Just because you want Bloombergs Nanny State doesn't mean people who don't are upset about nothing.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Self-control plays an important role, but it's not the only factor. Framing it as a matter of self-control implies that people know they are drinking soda in excess and failing to resist doing so. I'm sure this is the case some of the time.
But I'd also argue that given the normality of huge ass soft-drinks, people's perceptions of how much is excessive are completely distorted. People don't even know they should be trying to resist, so self-control doesn't enter into in such cases.
I have mixed feelings about this ban, but one benefit is that it sends a clearer message about norms. "Soda servings of this size are not healthy, they are excessive." The people who don't care can order more sodas. Some people will genuinely realize they should drink less soda. It's an empirical question how big an effect on public health it all amounts to in the end. I hope someone is measuring it carefully.
It's not just soda that makes people fat, I'd wager that this will do little to cut down on obesity at all. It seems like just about everything today has some form of hfcs or sugar in it. In addition to that plenty of people have piss poor diets, combined with very little or no exercise and you have an obesity epidemic. Soda is just a small part of the problem.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Should really change the title, they didn't ban soda.
Dude Abides
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Just because you hate Bloomberg because of his stance on guns doesn't mean anyone else gives a shit. Most of the silly outrage is coming from people who won't be affected by this in any way.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Congratulations on being a nanny state! Up next: bad language, chocolate, gasoline, uneducational toys and anything spicy.
People got lazy and fat and started dying prematurely so the govt. had to step in and try to fix it for them.
Maybe if we make them get up and get it themselves...
Comparing this soda "ban" to drugs is one hell of a terrible analogy.
When the government starts letting us by schedule 1 drugs even in the smallest amounts legally, come back with that argument.
And something tells me people will only complain long enough for the straw to make it to their gaping maw.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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That was amazing.
Agreed. I consider myself liberal and this is the dumbest fucking legislation I've ever heard. I'm very much against the drug war and believe the government shouldn't be regulating what people put in their bodies. Why shouldn't an alcohol ban logically follow this? Certainly an alcohol ban would have a quicker and more direct effect on loves saved.
aronnov reborn
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oh freedom.
Great idea. Sadly the same companies campaigning to sell these bottles of coke are the same ones that sell bottled water. So they'll protest even more.
Bottled water was one of the fastest growing areas for the likes of Coke et al before 2008. It backed of a smidge but it's picked up again iirc.
Thread title is misleading though, Soda isn't banned, just the large bottles at certain outlets. You are still going to be able to buy a 3l bottle in the supermarket.
Do you REEEEEALLY think that today, 2012, the fat americans that stuff their faces with McDonalds and Burger King do it because they simple don't know how many calories and sugar they are ingesting? REALLY?
The world has been telling that this shit is bad for you for at least 5 years.
Schweinehund
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I understand the non smoking policy because of second hand smoke, but dietary restrictions seems absurd.
If someone wants to eat themselves to death, and aren't harming anyone else, then by all means.
If someone wants to eat themselves to death, and aren't harming anyone else, then by all means.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Doesn't matter if I want that much or even if I can drink that much because that's the best bargain! I get the most soda for the least cost per ounce! I just throw the rest away! Waste rules!!!
In the case of soda the probability of successful enforcement is much higher. It's also disingenuous to act like there aren't nuanced differences between different regulation tactics.
A cheese burger or a pizza is a meal. It's not the healthiest meal, but it provides sustenance. Soda is sugar and water and is nearly worthless as a "food."
That's why it's not necessarily hypocritical to treat one unhealthy consumable differently than another.
Neuromancer
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Yeah he nailed it. Here's part 2:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-may-31-2012/drink-different---pick-your-poison
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Look just because you want the Bloomberg Nanny State...and surveillance state, doesn't mean others do. People like being able to exercise their own free will, even if you don't.
That's great.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Dude Abides
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Cliches like Nanny State are a poor substitute for an actual argument, and particularly ironic coming from someone in favor of drug prohibition. People are still free to buy as much soda as they like. The only restriction is on the size of the container.
The Technomancer
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I think most of us who are fine with this have also said (or heavily implied) that government regulation of drugs is/would be a good thing, but that having drug usage be illegal is a bad thing. I would be outraged if this was a law saying that you are not allowed to drink that much soda.
What free will was taken away?
And on this front, why the fuck should there be speed limits on the roads, I dont care how fast you want to go, I want to be able to drive as fast as I fucking want without the nanny state telling me how fast is appropriate.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Not when it's not a cliche.
Was dis EDUMACTION you talk abaut?
AbortedWalrusFetus
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In the less than ten times a year I actually drink soda, sometimes I want a lot of soda. I don't want to pay more for it on the very few times I actually indulge myself.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Most "medium" sized drinks at fast food places don't even fit in my car's cup-holder anymore.
Can't say I can find a reason to be upset at this sort of law, honestly.
Can't say I can find a reason to be upset at this sort of law, honestly.
Legato.Reborn-
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This is just ridiculous.
As usual I stand with John Stewart on this one.
As usual I stand with John Stewart on this one.
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