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New York on verge of tuition-free college for middle class
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demosthenes
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They don't have 100k debt if they went to SUNY.
I don't know how you'd rack up 100K at SUNY schools.
Skellig Gra
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A good first step but it should be free for everyone
Escape Goat
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Sorry bro.
Boogie9IGN
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Is it like California's CSU (23 schools)/UC (10 schools) systems?
I don't think SUNY is good as UC but it's up there...?
This is for SUNY and CUNY, there's no SUNY or CUNY school where you'd rack up that kind of debt.
Skellig Gra
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True but what you do rack up is still too much
PhoncipleBone
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Took too long for this post.
Takamura-San
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And this will solve that.
True, but that won't be much of a problem once this is in place.
Come on home Bronx-man, come on home.
We have to start with conditionality before we move to unconditionality, it would appear.
That's how bad America fucked up with this and other programs that should be available to all like a minimum income and health care..
Skellig Gra
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Not for everyone. Like I said it's a good first step but it should be across the board free. I'm fine helping out the most needy first but we need to make progress across the board. Our education system is so fucked.
demosthenes
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Not all states have university programs like new York and cali.
Jazzy Network
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Yea I am ready for this. I want to get another Bachelor's degree.
Yes. Lord knows how much it cost me.
Manmademan
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why wouldn't you just get a master's?
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Well the bill does not include a time machine so...
what is the difference between different state college systems and CUNY/SUNY that would make it unfeasible?
TheOfficeMut
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"If your family doesn't make over $100k"
So if I declare myself independent on taxes, does that not matter?
So if I declare myself independent on taxes, does that not matter?
given that i took out a government loan that i've been slowly paying back, and that anyone else in the middle class could easily do what i did without obstacles (if their government provided such a loan program), free tuition is something i always have a hard time getting behind.
crabs in a barrel
Yeah there's no way a person would ever find themselves in a position where they couldn't pay back a big loan. Nope, no possible way.
Education shouldn't put you in debt.
Manmademan
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barriers to attendance should be as low as possible. If a student has the grades to get in and stay in a program, cost shouldn't be an issue to a public institution just as it isn't in high school.
tuition forgiveness can fuck right off though, that MASSIVELY benefits the wealthy over everyone else.
You are a college student, you can't afford a airplane ticket.
CrocMother
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What is the point of this? It could really, really screw people who are forced to move due to economic/health/family reasons.
Skellig Gra
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What a horrible mentality. So if you have a couple kids you want to make sure they take out a bunch of loans and are saddled with debt?
Man that is some stone cold truth. What a fucked up system we have going on right now.
TheOfficeMut
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It's a state thing and it's asking that you invest back in the state and ensure that you didn't just establish residency to get it.
Manmademan
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it prevents people from moving to NY just to establish residency, get free tuition via NY taxpayer dollars, and immediately leaving- which is a much more likely scenario than someone being "forced to move" within 4 years out of college.
I have $80k debt at a Texas state school. It's easy. $8k tuition + $10-12k living multiplied by 3-5 years.
This country has no solution for people like me.
CrocMother
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Depending on your career choice, not being able to move out of New York for 4+ years could really limit your marketability.
Also, sometimes people are forced to unexpectedly move because a family member gets sick, etc. Now on top of that, those people are saddled with full tuition debt.
I understand the reasoning behind it, I just think it's a bad idea.
The Maverick
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If I have to suffer, everyone should, it's the American way. Not to gang up on you, but this is exactly how we got to where we are.
Excelsior!
This is a good start, considering it seems like it's impossible in this political climate to really take national steps to reduce/get rid of public college tuition. When I was graduating from high school in RI, URI offered half tuition and no tuition scholarships to pretty much everyone in my class who had decent grades to try to incentivize them to stay in RI in a public university for college/beyond- regardless of income. This included applicants for their six-year pharmacy program- six years of free tuition is huge. They offered me free tuition just for applying, though I didn't go there. It worked pretty well- both the val and sal went there and so did a large percentage of the best students.
This is a good start, considering it seems like it's impossible in this political climate to really take national steps to reduce/get rid of public college tuition. When I was graduating from high school in RI, URI offered half tuition and no tuition scholarships to pretty much everyone in my class who had decent grades to try to incentivize them to stay in RI in a public university for college/beyond- regardless of income. This included applicants for their six-year pharmacy program- six years of free tuition is huge. They offered me free tuition just for applying, though I didn't go there. It worked pretty well- both the val and sal went there and so did a large percentage of the best students.
if you have trouble repaying your loan you can extend the interest-free period
yeah people should always be fucked because not everybody got the same breaks.
Team Alucard
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This would be a hell of a deal if New York's public universities were decent.
Not at all. The UC system is unrivaled. Berkeley and UCLA are the two best public universities in the country and the gap between them and the rest of the field is enormous. Plus Davis, Irvine, Santa Barbara, and San Diego are all top 50 schools in the country. The only mediocre UC schools are Merced and Riverside, both of which are still better than any NY university besides Buffalo and Binghamton.
SUNY is straight crap in comparison. The best SUNY university (Binghatom) doesn't even make the top 80.
Not at all. The UC system is unrivaled. Berkeley and UCLA are the two best public universities in the country and the gap between them and the rest of the field is enormous. Plus Davis, Irvine, Santa Barbara, and San Diego are all top 50 schools in the country. The only mediocre UC schools are Merced and Riverside, both of which are still better than any NY university besides Buffalo and Binghamton.
SUNY is straight crap in comparison. The best SUNY university (Binghatom) doesn't even make the top 80.
It makes it so that the state isn't spending money for kids to get educated and go to another state. The state is serving it's own interests, and justifiably so. Many state funded scholarships/grants (not just in NY) will require recipients to stay in their respective states for at least a couple of years. The state has to make a return on it's investment somehow. Imagine you got paid by your job to get some specialized training and you immediately left for a competitor.
Yeah there are shitty situations but there has to be some checks and balances here for it to be somewhat sustainable.
TheOfficeMut
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If NY public universities were decent? Lol So they all suck to you?
Takamura-San
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Then go to school for something you can work in NYS.
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