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New Zealand legalises gay marriage
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Really, that's why the state grants marriage licenses? I suppose we ought to nullify all the licenses of heterosexual couples who are incapable of producing offspring for various reasons. They don't seem to have any "scientifically valid" reason to be allowed to marry either.
Sometimes I love you, XXI century.
Colombia is voting today but things here are not pretty, so cross your fingers, gaf :X
Colombia, today.
Colombia is voting today but things here are not pretty, so cross your fingers, gaf :X
Colombia, today.
Because it's simply impossible to have kids without being married, right?
Good job NZ.
Gabotron ES
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Try again, procreation is not the reason for state recognition of marriage.
MeBecomingI
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Awesome news! Congratulations, New Zealand!
CornBurrito
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How odd that the majority of the benefits of marriage don't require the couple to have a child.
Mercury Fred
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Go New Zealand!!
It's fantastic to see marriage equality gaining traction across the planet!
And seeing the outdated bigots foam at the mouth in reaction here in this thread is just icing on the cake. Cheers!
It's fantastic to see marriage equality gaining traction across the planet!
And seeing the outdated bigots foam at the mouth in reaction here in this thread is just icing on the cake. Cheers!
they look stupid now lol
The procreative argument is bullshit. Goodbye marriages that don't produce children, goodbye married heterosexual couples over 55 years of age or who are otherwise infertile, goodbye marriages where one party is so badly disabled they are unable to procreate.
CornBurrito
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Or goodbye to adoption. He is basically stating that the government shouldn't promote adoption, or at least should bar married couples from adopting. After all, if they take in additional pre-existing kids they are less likely to make any of their own which means the birth rate was not increased.
And even if by some miracle you were not referring to the biological act of being able to have sex and create children, even raising children is not the primary purpose behind marriage. Children are raised in single-parent families and same-sex families, by adoptive parents or the State by itself, and in other forms unknown - by stepparents, by living outside of home with others; traditional nuclear families are not the only form of child-rearing and they sure as hell aren't the only justification for the enshrinement of marriage at law.
Mercury Fred
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So, this brings the current count to:
Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Iceland, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Spain, South Africa, Sweden, Uruguay as well as Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, Vermont, New Hampshire, New York, Maine, Maryland, Washington and Washington DC and some parts of Mexico and Brazil.
Progress! More love to the lovers and more bile for the haters to choke on
Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Iceland, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Spain, South Africa, Sweden, Uruguay as well as Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, Vermont, New Hampshire, New York, Maine, Maryland, Washington and Washington DC and some parts of Mexico and Brazil.
Progress! More love to the lovers and more bile for the haters to choke on
Let's ban all post-menopausal women from marriage, yeah? And of course, the ability not to reproduce does not preclude gay couples from having children. If you're going to make an argument that the institution provides stability for families, yes, that's true. It also provides stability for gay couples and their children. The government also has an interest in promoting adoption -- allowing gay couples to marry will also promote that necessity.
Anyway... I sympathize with Gillard, to an extent. She's trying to keep her fragile majority. She knows that gay marriage is the right thing to do, but has prioritized keeping her party in power over one issue. Does that make it right? No. Would she lose her majority over gay marriage? Maybe, maybe not. But politicians in the United States tend to overestimate the conservatism of their electorate. I wonder if Gillard is doing the same.
CornBurrito
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I brought this up on Facebook once and some dude said that the idea that post-menopausal women can't reproduce was a liberal falsehood, because the Bible clearly shows post-menopausal having children.
Hoo boy
Oh, well then. Consider me informed.
freenudemacusers
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That's the difference between menopause and legitimate menopause.
CornBurrito
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Enjoy guys.
CornBurrito
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CornBurrito
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Basically. I'm convinced that people who pull the "gays shouldn't marry because marriage is about baby making!" are simply disgusted by homosexuality and/or are very religious. The reason they give is merely a justification for their bigoted feelings, but not their actual reason.
Which is why it crumbles upon scrutiny. Gay marriage would encourage adoption and studies have shown that gays can raise kids just fine. If you think marriage should only promote babymaking them you should clarify that you are against adoption.
Even if we take that as a valid argument (lol) her having a baby was viewed as a miracle for a reason.
Stumpokapow
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Because gay couples have kids too, even if we accept your public policy wisdom?
GoddyofAus
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Enjoy guys.
Paragraphs must be going the way of the Mammoth. By the way, did God have a plan for them to?
Indeed. That's the correct response. The fact that the legislation, proposed by a Labour MP must've had a fair number of the ruling Conservatives voting for it is awesome. They didn't vote it down on the mere basis it was introduced by an opposition MP or anything like that. I wish our politics could be as moving as yours.
I really like John Key as a Prime Minister. He's 100x the politician Abbott and Gillard are.
SneakyStephan
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Belgium and holland pioneered this in 2003 and 2001 welcome to the tolerant part of society kiwipeople.
Let's hope the rest of the world slowly follows.
welcome to the tolerant part of society kiwipeople.Let's hope the rest of the world slowly follows.
QuicheFontaine
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So, this brings the current count to:
Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Iceland, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Spain, South Africa, Sweden, Uruguay as well as Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, Vermont, New Hampshire, New York, Maine, Maryland, Washington and Washington DC and some parts of Mexico and Brazil.
Progress! More love to the lovers and more bile for the haters to choke on
I think you can go ahead and add the UK and France to that list too (since the actual decision to legalise has already been taken in both instances, and it just needs to be added to statute books at this point).
Candeldandel
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YAY PROGRESS! Congrats, y'all! NZ friends on FB are pretty stoked about this A lovely example for the rest of us, yeah? Momentum! Moving forward! Yeah!
A lovely example for the rest of us, yeah? Momentum! Moving forward! Yeah!Enjoy guys.
This is better than I had hoped.
Phonomezer
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This is hilarious
NathanMcMahon
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Here's what is great. All of the bigots are going to be forcibly dragged into the 21st century when it comes to gay rights. Their baby mewling hatred that dribbles down their chins won't stop it. It's wonderful in it's simplicity.
So, this brings the current count to:
Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Iceland, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Spain, South Africa, Sweden, Uruguay as well as Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, Vermont, New Hampshire, New York, Maine, Maryland, Washington and Washington DC and some parts of Mexico and Brazil.
Progress! More love to the lovers and more bile for the haters to choke on
I feel so bad ass. Maine gets to be on a list with awesome places like New fuckin Zealand!
It is, and it needs another post. Everyone should watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW4DXOAXF8U
So what about people who marry and not have children? Or couples unable to have children because of medical reasons? Or women who re-marry when they're older and unable to have children?
I want these guys to represent me, so jealous of NZ at the moment.
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