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Next gen power - people get some reason in your head!

quetz67

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Man I am so tired reading all that crap about xbox 120, realtime vs. pre renderded, Gears of War vs. PDZ etc.

1. All 3 next gen consoles will be very close power wise. PS3 will probably a little more powerful. I wouldnt claim that by comparing some stupid spec sheets, just by the simple fact that Sony has another hal year to adjust their specs to beat xbox 360.

2. About the same games will be possible on PS3 and xbox 360. If PS3 is able to Killzone in realtime, xbox 360 will be able to something looking similar. In the end it will be about the best developers, not about the best hardware. The hardware difference will probably make the difference we see this gen with the usual ports showing the minimal differences in our beloved head-to-heads

3. That 30% alpha kit stuff makes me sick. Yeah it might be true that the final 3 core machine is 3 times as powerful as the alpha kits (might of course be total BS) but even if so, they wont be able to use the full power of 3 cores soon. It will take some time to even use only most of the power. And the PDZ statements are well in line with that. It runs at some unstable 20 fps right now and should run at stable 30fps at release. Doesnt sound like factor 3

4. PDZ vs. Gears of War. Sure I am a litttle disappointed by Rare, I expected PDZ to look the best of all x360 games. Still the whole thing is totally blown out of proportions. Especailly the comparision to Gears of War. The guys at Epic had an easy job, just take an existing engine (from which we already knew how great it looks and that it will be possible on the next gen consoles) and put together some game footage.

PDZ is an actual game and the screens and movies are from a massive multiplayer game that actually looks good. It may suck in certain areas and sure wont have the WOW factor the original PD had, but I am sure the wall guys hysteria as well as the latest IGN quotes are totally blown out of proportions.

5. Nintendo Revolution and the 2x-3x quote. Come on guys, we all know Nintendo will be able to get at least half the power out of $199 that Microsoft gets out of $299 or $369 (especially half a year or a year later). We all know that a machine 2-3x the raw power of the GC just cant be done anymore, at least if you are not completely stupid.

Nintendo probably shoots for a less hot, less expensive architecture as Microsoft, probably at lower frequencies and with less RAM. But even if so the rwa power increase will be at least 8-10 times that of GC.

Sony states 35x power increase which probably is quite exagerated, however, I am sure Nintendo is just very conservative and they are not speaking of simple raw processing power. It is just a matter how you use terms. A factor 3 increase in resolution for example means a factor 9 increase in fill rate. If you increase the polygon count by factor 3 too you are at a much higher raw power increase.

Or you just take the 3x power increase as 'felt power'. When I imagine a game looking 3 times as good as RE4 I am at something that looks easily as good as everything shown this E3. Factor 3 could easily mean 3 time the characters on screen with 3 times the detail on each plus 3 time the texture quality with 3 time as good looking lighting and effects.

Dont get me wrong, I dont believe Rev will be the most powerful next gen console, but sure that 2-3x quote is completely misinterpreted.
 
quetz67 said:
3. That 30% alpha kit stuff makes me sick. Yeah it might be true that the final 3 core machine is 3 times as powerful as the alpha kits (might of course be total BS) but even if so, they wont be able to use the full power of 3 cores soon. It will take some time to even use only most of the power. And the PDZ statements are well in line with that. It runs at some unstable 20 fps right now and should run at stable 30fps at release. Doesnt sound like factor 3
I think the problem is more with the GPU than the CPU. R500 is a very different beast than the old ATI GPU design and simply can't be "emulated" properly with what's inside the Dual G5 dev kit. This time around it's MS that gets the rather innovative GPU, and Sony (at least if I understood the specs correctly) that gets a very PC-ish one (which does not mean it's not as or even more powerful). Fun times.
 
I agree with everything you said, except:

Sony states 35x power increase which probably is quite exagerated

This is totally valid; it's based on Cell's 218GFlops v EE's 6.2GFlops (218/6.2 = 35.2times)

the Teraflops thing is total bullshit on the part of both Sony and Microsoft though, I don't believe any of it.
 
CosmicGroinPull said:
I agree with everything you said, except:



This is totally valid; it's based on Cell's 218GFlops v EE's 6.2GFlops (218/6.2 = 35.2times)
yah, that might be true, I wont argue. But the point is that stuff like this makes people jump to the conclusion PS3 is 3 times more powerful than X360 and 10 times more powerful.
 
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