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When Sony finally does come out and reveal the system... if they lead with a statement like "The next generation will not be a war waged in pure power, but rather Talent, Speed, and Accessibility" we know we have a problem. That pretty much means "Yes we may have a weaker system but look at the games, our ultra fast SSD, and our various gimmicks!" I honestly don't want to hear that nonsense. I want a system to rival the XsX in power so we get the absolute best from both companies.
 
demigod said:
No, that's not what you did and you know it. Keep spinning.
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ZywyPL said:
No shit, that leak was from April 2018, and looking at it from today's point of view it does look very legit now - 8C Zen CPU - check, 1TB SSD - check, 32GB GDDR6 - check - I'm guessing it's for the dev-kit, while retail would have half as much, which all recent leaks actually point to, 14TF - check? Again, guessing it's related to a dev-kit, with some of CUs disabled in the final retail model, so that even that rumored ~13TF might actually come out to be true.
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Wouldn't that point to a 10.65TF Navi PS5? If so that's not outside of what I've predicted for a most probable range (10.4 - 11TF), but I can't see that happening with current Oberon unless they're REALLY pushing the clocks and the whole chip is active. It would need a revision to come about, likely 48CU active chip (52CU chip total) to hit that number safely.

And you say that leak is from April 2018? Source on the leak? It'd be nice if it's somewhat credible because that gives a good chance for this other stepping/revision I've been hoping to surface, actually turning up within a couple of months.

PocoJoe said:
No.

If Fiat releases new car, does Ferrari have to release something or they will lose their epic reputation as sport car company?

Every time someone assumes that MS can "steal" Sonys spotlight I just wonder that do you people even follow the gaming indrusty?

Sony have been dominating basically since ps1 (ps3 had it's flaws but still won as ms wasted billions into faulty consoles), they are globally much stronger as console brand than MS.

They literally just have to reveal the system and it gets multiple times more attention than xbox does.

Also, seems that people like you assume that "if xbox is more powerful, ps5 will lose remarkable amount of customers". No, they wont.

Just look xbox X, if power would mean more than games + brand, it would sell tons more.

Sony can wait and reveal ps5 when they want, MS is the underdog and they kind of have to do it sooner as after ps5 reveal, there is just PS PS PS and not tvtvtv. And imo xbox isnt even real competitor vs playstation. It is just another console which tries to stay on the market with money spam
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This reads like fragile desperation. Like I said, Sony fanboys are really strutting their stuff this week. Monday was a breaking point, it's embarrassing.
 
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darkinstinct said:
Welp. If true, that means the 2 GHz Oberon ran too hot and they went back to Ariel and 1.8 GHz as a fallback solution. I don't think PS5 will be just 8 TF. That would be all kinds of stupid, that puts them closer to Lockhart than XSX. Unless they have a second SKU (I remember Pachter saying it would cost over $800) it makes no sense. An 8 TF PS5 and a 14 TF PS5 Pro at 399 and 599 would make sense. With Lockhart and XSX at 299 and 499.
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I don't know, we know price is a thing, people argue over 100 dollars right or wrong. The setup you suggest would put a monster like SeX 100 lower than PS5 Pro, even if the latter is more powerful for the one who wants a decent price and sort of a next gen has only the 8 tf PS5... or the 12 tf SeX. Kind of a sandwich situation, could be ok or could go really bad.
 
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darkinstinct said:
Welp. If true, that means the 2 GHz Oberon ran too hot and they went back to Ariel and 1.8 GHz as a fallback solution. I don't think PS5 will be just 8 TF. That would be all kinds of stupid, that puts them closer to Lockhart than XSX. Unless they have a second SKU (I remember Pachter saying it would cost over $800) it makes no sense. An 8 TF PS5 and a 14 TF PS5 Pro at 399 and 599 would make sense. With Lockhart and XSX at 299 and 499.
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Uhm, somone correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Ariel just the name for the APU while Oberon is the GPU part of the APU?
 
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This is the standard I expect from both honestly, with BC and patches there is no reason in the fucking world I should buy the next gen version if I have the old one, especially when they went all out with that "premium consoles", to throw that philosophy out of the way would be madness, not counting Sony blabbling about easy transition. PS5 needs to function as a Pro Pro console even if hardware side is entirely new.
 
darkinstinct said:
No, Gonzalo = devkit, Ariel and Oberon are APU for the devkit.
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I am 99% sure its following :

Ariel - RDNA early chip. Its codename is GFX1000, therefore its first of all Navis. Ariel (in shakespear) is ONLY character that is ghost and not real human.

Oberon - RDNA2 chip that went through regression tests for Ariel iGPU specs with native, bc1 and bc2 modes. This one was later chip with RT and VRS, but they had to have earlier Navi for BC ready and Oberon, with RDNA2 features, was way to late. Thus - Ariel
 
Gudji said:
Well yeah, it wouldn't be that big of a deal.
Sony during PSM 2013 when they were talking about technical details also said "almost two teraflops of computing power". It's more like ~1.84 TF, they just boosted the number a little bit.
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it would be a problem cause MS lies and spins a lot, new gen is a chance to stop with BS
 
Ps5 set at 13.8 to 14+ tf is more realistic, this is what you expect from the market leader, thinking of a ps5 set a 9tf it's like nVidia dominating the GPU market and releasing a less competitive Ampere GPU despite of Navi 2, not what you expect from the market leader for years as well as Sony in the console market
 
BlacknGold_Blood said:
This is interesting. Someone in the other site posted this older tweet that shows it was actually Ariel that was stepped to E0 and not Oberon. So it appears they were working on both chips at same time?
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That's...that's really interesting and peculiar. Ariel was spec'd to 1GHz last I remembered, and E0 addressed a memory controller did it not?

I always thought Ariel was pre-silicon Oberon, but why would they be going back-and-forth with Ariel if the last clock boost was only 1GHz? Or maybe both codenames are being used interchangeably?

Don't want to bring back the dual GPU rumors BUT, they could pair down Oberon to 1.8GHz and Ariel to 1GHz and both going 36CU and giving roughly 12.89TF combined. But this theory starts to fall apart when you realize both Ariel and Oberon have 256-bit memory buses so...would Sony be going with 32GB GDDR6? Unlikely. What about 16GB as 8x 1GB chips for both Ariel and Oberon? Possible, but that'd be a crazy bit of setup eh?

Anyway, the fact E0 was Ariel and not Oberon is very odd indeed. Maybe VFXVeteran VFXVeteran was onto something about a base PS5 and PS5 Pro coming simultaneously? I still think it's a bad idea for right out of the gate, personally, but I guess it's possible...
 
thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
That's...that's really interesting and peculiar. Ariel was spec'd to 1GHz last I remembered, and E0 addressed a memory controller did it not?

I always thought Ariel was pre-silicon Oberon, but why would they be going back-and-forth with Ariel if the last clock boost was only 1GHz? Or maybe both codenames are being used interchangeably?

Don't want to bring back the dual GPU rumors BUT, they could pair down Oberon to 1.8GHz and Ariel to 1GHz and both going 36CU and giving roughly 12.89TF combined. But this theory starts to fall apart when you realize both Ariel and Oberon have 256-bit memory buses so...would Sony be going with 32GB GDDR6? Unlikely. What about 16GB as 8x 1GB chips for both Ariel and Oberon? Possible, but that'd be a crazy bit of setup eh?

Anyway, the fact E0 was Ariel and not Oberon is very odd indeed. Maybe VFXVeteran VFXVeteran was onto something about a base PS5 and PS5 Pro coming simultaneously? I still think it's a bad idea for right out of the gate, personally, but I guess it's possible...
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Well Sony did just sign up for Azure services to use their cloud technology... what if they have their own Lockhart system meant just for streaming their PSNow service? Some fans are laughing at MS over this idea but what if Sony is also doing this?
 
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xPikYx said:
Ps5 set at 13.8 to 14+ tf is more realistic, this is what you expect from the market leader, thinking of a ps5 set a 9tf it's like nVidia dominating the GPU market and releasing a less competitive Ampere GPU despite of Navi 2, not what you expect from the market leader for years as well as Sony in the console market
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With a $450 BOM? No way.
 
FranXico said:
Heh, around 11TF is hardly terrible. 11 would be fine.
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The problem is that a ~9.5tf 5700 xt already performs better than the ~14tf gcn cards. So a 13tf apu would not end up being 11tf rdna.


Hellgardia said:
Again using the 5700XT (peak of 9.7Tfops) vs Radeon VII (peak of 13.44Tflops) comparison even though it's not the best way of doing things. They are pretty similar in performance.
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yup

o'dium said:
Sony parents so much stuff, it's not even funny. But there's a reason they do it. Still that doesn't mean other consoles can't do it.

I quite like it. I don't keep my controllers on top though, I keep them to the side, as I'm a neat freak 🤣
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wireless charging. I think we now know why ps5 BOM is higher than expected
 
thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
That's...that's really interesting and peculiar. Ariel was spec'd to 1GHz last I remembered, and E0 addressed a memory controller did it not?

I always thought Ariel was pre-silicon Oberon, but why would they be going back-and-forth with Ariel if the last clock boost was only 1GHz? Or maybe both codenames are being used interchangeably?

Don't want to bring back the dual GPU rumors BUT, they could pair down Oberon to 1.8GHz and Ariel to 1GHz and both going 36CU and giving roughly 12.89TF combined. But this theory starts to fall apart when you realize both Ariel and Oberon have 256-bit memory buses so...would Sony be going with 32GB GDDR6? Unlikely. What about 16GB as 8x 1GB chips for both Ariel and Oberon? Possible, but that'd be a crazy bit of setup eh?

Anyway, the fact E0 was Ariel and not Oberon is very odd indeed. Maybe VFXVeteran VFXVeteran was onto something about a base PS5 and PS5 Pro coming simultaneously? I still think it's a bad idea for right out of the gate, personally, but I guess it's possible...
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Look at my post on last page. Its Oberon that is E0.
 
I'm not sure why people are talking about 13 "GCN teraflops" when all the rumors for MS have been 12 TF since the beginning of 2019 and they now confirmed it's RDNA.

At the beginning of 2019 one was 13 CGN (depiste the oberon testing showing a navi GPU) and the other 12 RDNA...

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Btw the only people that talked about the 13 number AFAIK (or remember) was Benji. And that guy doesn't know shit.

On the other hand reiner and colin both heard the same thing but they didn't give numbers.
 
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darkinstinct said:
Welp. If true, that means the 2 GHz Oberon ran too hot and they went back to Ariel and 1.8 GHz as a fallback solution. I don't think PS5 will be just 8 TF. That would be all kinds of stupid, that puts them closer to Lockhart than XSX. Unless they have a second SKU (I remember Pachter saying it would cost over $800) it makes no sense. An 8 TF PS5 and a 14 TF PS5 Pro at 399 and 599 would make sense. With Lockhart and XSX at 299 and 499.
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This seems pretty realistic a scenario. I can't see a 14TF PS5 launching at $599 this year or even next year, however. If what VFXVeteran was saying has any weight, it'd be launching this year or shortly into 2021, and would be closer to $699 I'm guessing and sold at some profit.

R600 said:
Look at my post on last page. Its Oberon that is E0.
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Just did; you were right. Simple slip-up it was, then. Hopefully it won't take too long for most others to see it (what am I kidding, there'll be #TeamArielE0 people all over next week).

splattered said:
Well Sony did just sign up for Azure services to use their cloud technology... what if they have their own Lockhart system meant just for streaming their PSNow service? Some fans are laughing at MS over this idea but what if Sony is also doing this?
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Speaking of Lockhart, I just thought about that graphic leak from last week (I think) that people were pegging as Lockhart. You know, the one with the white and red text on a black background?

Just occurred to me that Lockhart could be a portable or hybrid device. Why? Because they specified a TDP-down spec for the GPU. Guess what else has TDP-down as a noted specification? The Switch. Undock your Switch, and the GPU downclocks. Slap that sonofabitch on that big fat slab and it bumps right back up.

Just think about that: a 2.xTF/3.96TF Lockhart portable hybrid, for $299 (or $399)? And that same spec also usable for replacing the One S server blades on Azure? Lockhart is looking a lot more interesting IMHO.

And yeah, I think Sony could be doing something possibly similar (just maybe not a portable hybrid). They and MS are going to be doing a lot of very similar things when it comes to the cloud, streaming, and GaaS going into next-gen, no question.
 
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JMB88 said:
I was reading your latest publications of the 13.8 tf gnc and I think it's possible.
On the other hand and I ask, excuse my ignorance if what I am going to say is stupid.

Someone remembers the leak of 2 years ago called "project epsilon" in which all internet ridiculed it because it listed 14.2 tf, ssd, backwards compatibility with ps4, psvr without external hardware, etc.

Many of those things that seemed impossible 2 years ago, such as the SSD were fulfilled. What if those 14.2 tf were gnc and if the conversion is done it would be approximately 11.3 tf rdna as you estimate it will be between 10.5 and 11.5 tf.

Would this be possible?
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A 14.2 TF GCN card would be comparable to a 11.3 TF RDNA card. :pie_thinking: :pie_thinking: :pie_thinking:
 
thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
This seems pretty realistic a scenario. I can't see a 14TF PS5 launching at $599 this year or even next year, however. If what VFXVeteran was saying has any weight, it'd be launching this year or shortly into 2021, and would be closer to $699 I'm guessing and sold at some profit.



Just did; you were right. Simple slip-up it was, then. Hopefully it won't take too long for most others to see it (what am I kidding, there'll be #TeamArielE0 people all over next week).
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1 year late with the same specs sold at a $200 markup against the competition, get real.
 
Well, realistically what can you say? I mean, you either have a high spec but high price (and price yourself out of the market for mass buyers) or a low spec and a low price (and sell gang busters at first until your machine is out of date a year or two later), or go a 12tf equivalent type box with a price the same as Xbox (and sell amazingly well off your name alone).

You're not getting 13-14tf out of a traditional form factor (possibly) box at a decent price, not when everybody is already guessing the SX could be as high as $599.99. If the SX is that high, what price must this PS5 be?
 
I think for new gen of consoles they had/have a lot of threshold barriers to break or cross in terms of new standards for graphics-performance:

1) Double digit TFLOPS: Almost there with PS5
2) Native 4k at 60fps: check (most PC's still struggle with that unless you are willing pay heavy price for it)
3) Raytracing: Check (whether it will hinder performace such as reduced frame rate has yet to be seen)
4) HDMI 2.1 with freesync and HDR: check
5) Variable rate shading: check

I just wanna see the damn games now :/
 
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2 days later. meh.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
That's...that's really interesting and peculiar. Ariel was spec'd to 1GHz last I remembered, and E0 addressed a memory controller did it not?

I always thought Ariel was pre-silicon Oberon, but why would they be going back-and-forth with Ariel if the last clock boost was only 1GHz? Or maybe both codenames are being used interchangeably?

Don't want to bring back the dual GPU rumors BUT, they could pair down Oberon to 1.8GHz and Ariel to 1GHz and both going 36CU and giving roughly 12.89TF combined. But this theory starts to fall apart when you realize both Ariel and Oberon have 256-bit memory buses so...would Sony be going with 32GB GDDR6? Unlikely. What about 16GB as 8x 1GB chips for both Ariel and Oberon? Possible, but that'd be a crazy bit of setup eh?

Anyway, the fact E0 was Ariel and not Oberon is very odd indeed. Maybe VFXVeteran VFXVeteran was onto something about a base PS5 and PS5 Pro coming simultaneously? I still think it's a bad idea for right out of the gate, personally, but I guess it's possible...
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Somebody later on pointed out it was just Komachi making a mistake.
 
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