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Reindeer
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SSD isn't gonna make as much difference as people think. You'll likely get slightly faster loading and asset loading that won't matter that much.
Shio
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I think this makes it more interesting, each team will now try even harder to make even better games, PS5 will try to show gamers that the difference in TF doesn't matter with their awesome games and Xbox Series X will try to show gamers that the slower SSD doesn't matter with their awesome games, everyone wins. If specs on both sides were the same then there would be not much competition or need to impress
Dodkrake
Banned
Exactly as I was saying before. Those custom chips are super interesting and seem to be doing a lot of the heavy lifting.
DeeDogg_
Banned
He really wasn't. Only the desperate few believed in him for some reason. He flat out sent fake DS5 images to
Mod of War
These are sad grown men out for cyber attention
zubairali2
Member
i feel like mark cerny went for more of what the user wants the most....speed? ....someone help me out here im still quite stoned 
Shio
Member
It's going to make a large difference to asset streaming onto that relatively small 16GB RAM that both have, as you traverse the open worlds, streaming those assets into RAM you will notice.
DrDamn
Member
Ok, I'll take my L and also give props to the GitHub believers. I was pretty close with the CPU, RAM and Storage though (ish).
I don't think it will make much practical difference but lets see when the multplatform stuff starts coming, and I think it may hint on a price difference between the XSX and PS5 too. No one expected 2.23GHz on the GPU which will help bridge some of the gap with the narrow but fast approach, but XSX GPU is pretty damn fast already. I think there may well be more to the SSD difference than just double the speed suggests. Sony seem to have the full pipeline covered from SSD to memory to cover up to 20GB/s, maybe some differential there.
Regarding RT - if it's in the CUs then presumably MS should have an advantage there? Wasn't clear.
Roronoa Zoro
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It's basically the TF difference between PRO and X1X
and with that difference (much less of a percentage with these higher numbers) we still got the best looking games of the gen on Pro with GoW and other exclusives
So couple that with the difference in SSD and such and I think Sony could have a 360 situation where they have the less powerful system but can take Fuller advantage than the competition and make it LOOK like the more powerful one. Difference of course being that that time the third party games looked better on 360 whereas this time it would be exclusives which I would argue is a bigger incentivizer than a few more pixels or frames on games that both will have
icerock
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I need more on this, how faster clocks would benefit versus more HW but I can buy the premise, the design team at MS aren't idiots when they are designing such a huge ass APU when they could've clocked it higher.
At least DF can be very happy, the comparison videos are going to be lit.
Microsoft had to come out ahead, and they did. And they'll get my money first. But don't count out PS5, it is going to be incredible. A lot of people will prefer those lightning fast load times to a barely noticeable difference in raytracing or particle effects. Sony's machine is no slouch at all. Everybody wins, lets celebrate!
elcapitano
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All I'll say is that is an absolute terrible showing by Sony. As a mainly Sony gamer this is terrible for me as the 100$ difference does not make up to that gap.
Ps5 looks like half a next gen leap. Xbox is a Tue one. If Xbox make any good games this gen the PS5 is simply not worth it.
They need a Pro lines up.
StreetsofBeige
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I'm waiting for that Osiris guy to upload the "video proof" he had of PS5 insider info at 12.4 or 12.6 tf. He also publicly bragged he knew info and said something like this to a mod "I'm going to PM you info!!!!".I'm waiting for my apology for getting pounced on by fanboys for calling out @OsirisBlack andHeisenbergFX4 on their shit. And @BGs can be thrown in there too
A few weeks ago or maybe a month) he bragged he knew people or worked on it or something and all he needed was for "the NDA to be over" the day Sony reveals. I think he said he's allowed to post his video the day after. Then he'd show the forum he knew all along.
Can;t wait for his video tomorrow.
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Bladed Thesis
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Mr Moose
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I think so, I'll have to rewatch it.
hemo memo
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"When that worst case game arrives, it will run at a lower clock speed. But not too much lower, to reduce power by 10 per cent it only takes a couple of percent reduction in frequency, so I'd expect any downclocking to be pretty minor," he explains. "All things considered, the change to a variable frequency approach will show significant gains for PlayStation gamers."
Sony's pitch is essentially this: a smaller GPU can be a more nimble, more agile GPU, the inference being that PS5's graphics core should be able to deliver performance higher than you may expect from a TFLOPs number that doesn't accurately encompass the capabilities of all parts of the GPU. Developers work to the power limits of the SoC, their workloads affecting frequencies on the fly - but it's those factors that impact the clock speeds, not ambient temperatures.
Down clocks will be minor, Tflops don't tell the whole story. This is something we've been repeatedly warned about.
Dude called it. For those who are extremely disappointed, I'm sure there's more to console hardware engineering than a Tflop number.
Sony definitely screwed up on the marketing end. This shouldn't have been how they broke their silence to their wider audience.
And guess what? The majority of games (3rd party) will not utilize it because they'll develop for both consoles AND with PlayStation exclusives coming to PC, it's a great time to invest in a console that play 3rd party games worse.
lol
Imtjnotu
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honestly im not sure i can agree on all of that. just reading through their talk on the ps5, it seems sony went for pure efficiency as much as possible.
i am not ok with just throwing brute strength out the window, but i do want to see this thing in motion. alot of the talking points and info given has left some hope of performance being alot better than the numbers given
MDSLKTR
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Y'all got cucked
demigod
Member
Actually all I wanna do is gloating. My damn mobile made me banned on the other place today, so I have to do it here ....
Pushed on Sent by accident, wanted to add the spoiler but was distracted by my job, just did that and boom a ban LOL
Mod of War
can we ban this dude yet? All he does is come here to gloat and he's even admitting to it.This is really stupid. Imagine working so goddamn hard trying to invent new ways/combinations/technologies to improve the game experience(ssd,audio,custom gpu and cpu solutions and shit) while still trying to maintain a consumer friendly cost, creating a balanced, gamer and developer oriented next gen console, only to get blamed for not going the easy way and slapping shit to a motherboard. Smh to those who deliberately choosing to stay ignorant and talk shit about things they don't understand.
thismeinteil
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10+ is all I needed. 11-12 would have been great, but just icing on the cake. More importantly, this makes it seem like the price battle next-gen will be $399 versus $499-$599. It does help Microsoft that their system isn't the weaker one this time. Still, I think $399 PS5 is easily going to win next gen.
Insane Metal
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HawarMiran
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On multiplats*
chigstoke
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Okay, so I said it wouldn't be that low. Might have got that guess slightly wrong, because I'm incredibly surprised that 9.5ish TF is the base of the PS5's GPU, 10.2 on boost. I can't believe that github appeared to be, well, nigh on correct.
But again I'll reiterate that TF's alone do NOT maketh the system. It is only one piece of the puzzle. Game devs are a large part of it. As well aBut I'm surprised at the memory bandwidth and SSD size, less than 1TB. Definitely disappointing on that aspect.
Roll on the game trailers now!
Reindeer
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No lol, that 16GB operates at much higher bandwidth. It will help, but SSD speed is very low compared to GDDR6.
Fun Fanboy
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Spencer said they won't be beat on price or power again. This could be a big win at launch for MS/Xbox this gen. Word of mouth is already flying on sites like this and twitter.
(and by big, i mean for xbox.. obviously sony will be fine, they always are.)
yes, theres always a point in a cheap $299 entry way to next gen
Xbox can have the most expensive and most powerful console, while also have the cheapest entry point to the gen. Whynotboth.gif
SportsFan581
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That was one of the weirdest rumors that persisted. Specifically that PS5 would have "free" RT. Then people would talk about Nvidia, but in what instance is RT "free" on the RTX cards. With that said, I think you can put complete path tracing on XSX in the bin too, the MC demo was a little janky. Expect hybrid RT on both, with a little more on XSX.
We already saw Xbox load times at 5-6 seconds for UNOPTOMIZED game. Lets say they get that to 3-4 seconds for actual Series X games and Sony is 1 second....is that 2 or 3 seconds really going to be a difference people care about? Both SSD are fast enough where the pop in effects and whatnot are all gone.
Tenka Musou
Banned
Good.Many people aren't happy
More dislikes means a higher chance of Sony dropping games footage earlier to ease worries
kyliethicc
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As a PS4 Pro gamer, here's what I want to know and need to get a PS5. They still haven't made this basic shit clear.
1. All my PS4 games will be playable day 1 on PS5. Boost or normal, I just need them to work.
2. My 1 TB PS4 Pro gives me access to 860 GB of storage for my games etc. They said 825 GB ? Is this all accessible for me or will I only get access to like 650 GB of that ?
3. New, exciting games.
4. Better controller battery life and haptics.
5. $400 launch price.
If they hit these marks, I buy. If not.... then I'm glad I have a PS4.
1. All my PS4 games will be playable day 1 on PS5. Boost or normal, I just need them to work.
2. My 1 TB PS4 Pro gives me access to 860 GB of storage for my games etc. They said 825 GB ? Is this all accessible for me or will I only get access to like 650 GB of that ?
3. New, exciting games.
4. Better controller battery life and haptics.
5. $400 launch price.
If they hit these marks, I buy. If not.... then I'm glad I have a PS4.
Fake
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Neither I.Many people aren't happy
HeisenbergFX4
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People under estimating that SSD imo.
Sure I wanted more power but I was not expecting even 12 so I don't get this doom and gloom for PS5.
With how games were looking even on the Pro that PS5 is going to be a kick ass machine with a great gaming lineup.
Dodkrake
Banned
Imagine the things they can do with 3D audio and a 2X faster SSD.
DeeDogg_
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He's annoying on both sites. Maybe Era gave him too much of an ego
Shio
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When we read 800GB, i suppose we think about that number in relation to game sizes today, so not many games fitting in that space. What should have been explained is the difference between a game of old and a game of new (which removes duplication of data) to enable us to see the size difference.
SportsFan581
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And now, one last fanboy moment. Did the Sony mic drop happen yet?
elcapitano
Member
Not really true. You don't win if your favourite games for the most part are Sony games.
Cause there is no denying only saving most likely 100$ for such an underpowered machine just isn't good enough.
For me it's a loss cause my PC is just as powerful as a PS5 give or take so this is no next Gen console for me.
Hopefully XBox add a lot of titles I'll like cause tbh I will consider switching. Right now for day one neither are the option for me. PS5 lacks power something major and for the moment Xbox lacks the game.
I think I won't buy on launch and try wait for a price cut on the ps5 or some great Xbox games to come out.
11TF not boosted for me should have been the minimum aim.
Games Dean
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I've always been pretty much primarily focused on PS consoles but I think I'll be getting a Series X for my third party stuff this time around and just play exclusives on the PS5. A little disappointed with the direction they decided to go in. Anyway now both Sony and Microsoft can bring on the games!
pharmboy044
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Damn, these fake insiders......... Github was absolutely right.
PlayStation needs to show some games soon to change the subject or else the comparison to Series X is going to be pretty bad.
PlayStation needs to show some games soon to change the subject or else the comparison to Series X is going to be pretty bad.
Did you not see the GPU clock though? I'm skeptical.
gaming_noob
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Go back to REEE if you don't want to read his posts
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