Nah. When rumor has info on die sizes for 2 consoles, VR2, exclusive launch titles, 3rd party titles such as GTAVI etc. you can be sure it is BS.
There is not a person in the world that knows pletheora of that info.
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There is not a person in the world that knows pletheora of that info.
LordOfChaos
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Googles is running on a serverized Vega 56, Navi CUs are larger for the extra IPC. Even at 9TF it would be more powerful than one Stadia instance.
Will the number matter for marketing, sure, I guess, but it's like bragging about a 5GHz Bulldozer, the number is one thing but the results will speak for themselves and comparison tests are all the rage among core gamers, and those core gamers inform and attract the more casual crowd. More casual players will be less inclined to care about the number anyways.
TeamGhobad
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Lone Wolf
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I am not saying its not true, but I don't see it ever actually releasing. You will be streaming on every Xbox, even the SAD Edition which will be under $100 in a year I'm sure.
You just create a thin-client, basically a dummy box to where you can hookup accessories like headphones, mice, controllers, etc. There shouldn't be much to develop as the box should be bare bones processor wise or it defeats the whole purpose of streaming. The thing is, console gaming is generally quite cheap, bought my nieces almost 2.5 years ago a PS4 slim plus UC4 for $215. A thin-client plus a controller is still going to cost you $90-120.
Nothing different than what has been done in virtual desktops for ages now.
Nothing different than what has been done in virtual desktops for ages now.
SpinningBirdKick
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Visible results may not be enough though if demonstrating just cross gen titles. Let's hope there's something impressive waiting in the wings.
The mid gen refreshes are going to make selling the new consoles using the power angle a bit tricky.
Assuming both are "just" 12tf...
- PS4 Pro 4.2tf to 12tf = 2.86x
- XOX 6tf to 12tf = 2x
A power marketing angle is going to need a big navi number put down on the table that smashes expectations to move the needle.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
I got some hot footage of Stadia from inside sources...
PS5 and Scarlett inside info...
PS5 and Scarlett inside info...
sonomamashine
Member
they gonna switch focus on SSD & CPUVisible results may not be enough though if demonstrating just cross gen titles. Let's hope there's something impressive waiting in the wings.
The mid gen refreshes are going to make selling the new consoles using the power angle a bit tricky.
Assuming both are "just" 12tf...
- PS4 Pro 4.2tf to 12tf = 2.86x
- XOX 6tf to 12tf = 2x
A power marketing angle is going to need a big navi number put down on the table that smashes expectations to move the needle.
Demonstrating speed and calculations (simulation) process power, im not worried at all, next gen gonna be game changing even if it's between 10 tf - 12 tf (gcn)
ArabianPrynce
Member
I am gonna stick with the 9tflop for now I mean it’s literally a 12tflop of the ps4. Of course I would love to be surprised
TeamGhobad
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jason said both were targeting higher than 10.7 tflops. i doubt he knows the difference. so im guessing 11 navi tflops minimum at this point.
ArabianPrynce
Member
11 tflop Navi would be beastly lol
LordOfChaos
Member
Visible results may not be enough though if demonstrating just cross gen titles. Let's hope there's something impressive waiting in the wings.
The mid gen refreshes are going to make selling the new consoles using the power angle a bit tricky.
Assuming both are "just" 12tf...
- PS4 Pro 4.2tf to 12tf = 2.86x
- XOX 6tf to 12tf = 2x
A power marketing angle is going to need a big navi number put down on the table that smashes expectations to move the needle.
It's the same hole Intel had to dig themselves out of after pushing the MHz myth for so long when it benefited them, but in the end they can just market real gain vs focusing on the Tflop number. The core will get it, the casuals will just see the marketing anyways.
sonomamashine
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also this :
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/compute/compare/4236416?baseline=4228084
GeekBench score RX 5700 (274255) vs RTX 2070 Super (270978)
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/compute/compare/4236416?baseline=4228084
GeekBench score RX 5700 (274255) vs RTX 2070 Super (270978)
mckmas8808
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Is that the RX 5700 XT?
sonomamashine
Member
nope, non XT
sonomamashine
Member
10.7 TF vega
This is duo to high particle score, as other scores are definitely lower.
sonomamashine
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SonGoku
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Gonzalo just doesn't make sense imo, also the name Gonzalo is completely out of character for Sony
That's precisely why its so easy to fake to make the leak look more believable
Not to mention nobody fully understands how to decode the first 3 characters and can be completely unrelated to any internal Sony codename
Except Ariel isn't tied to Sony nor PS5 by any info or leak just komachi speculation
It doesn't make sense, clocks are to high for a console on 7nm DUV
How can that be GCN if you are using RDNA...
Vega was really bottlenecked by its frontend in games which is why there wasn't a massive improvement over Polaris even though it doubled floating point throughput. That isn't impressive by any metric
12TF Vega =/ 2x XBONEX
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ArabianPrynce
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Gonzalo is the funniest name ever and i always thought it was a fishy from the get go. Dont know why people are so invested in it. Like. PS4 was orbis, ps move as arc. gonzalo just dont fit sony lol imo.
sonomamashine
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AMD could have named it, APISAK said that G stands for gaming (console) even AMD APU's are D (desktop), isn't 7nm more power efficient ?, i know next gen is RDNA 1, people are used to GCN calculation, i dont want them to get confused.
Gonzalo is not system codename, its APU codename.
PS4 APU codename was Thebe btw.
Ariel should be system codename which does sound right out of Sonys playbook if you really want to go by how codename sounds. But it also might be similar to Thebe and be actual Sony codename for APU with Gonzalo being AMDs codename.
People are invested in it because its pretty much by far best thing we have. In sea of BS "my father works at Nintendo and PS5 die size is 435mm²" pastebins, we have a no bs kind of guy that prompted DF to write article about leak which they, themselves, think its legit.
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SpinningBirdKick
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"Everything you know is wrong"
SonGoku
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It can be anything, maybe its even a gaming APU AMD will sell to gaming laptops manufacturers, the 1.6Ghz base clock would fit power saving modes
SpinningBirdKick
Banned
The scales fell from my eyes.
D - Desktop
G - Console
M - Mobile (laptop)
S - Server
E - Embedded
Its certainly not laptop nor its desktop. Btw there wont be 1.8GHZ Navi 10 and 8 core Zen in desktop or mobile APU anytime soon.
I think 1.6 is not even 1.6. its 2G1600 (other Sony codenames where G1000, G1100, G1300 etc.).
MS had G3100, G4200, G5700 etc.
Subor Z had mix of numbers and letters.
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Mass Shift
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But then MS was also using names like Xenos and Xenon (360) before arriving to Durango (Durango) XBone.
Probably not wise to attach too much relevance to the name.
TLZ
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Need a hug?
SpinningBirdKick
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DeepEnigma
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What a waste of making a console, when you can just have an app on everything like everyone else is and will be doing.
You don’t need dedicated hardware for streaming, hell Sony TVs themselves used to before they removed it.
Not to mention I would not want to see them going in so hard with streaming (even though we all know they want nothing more than pure subscription models for all versus dedicated native physical).
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bitbydeath
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Nothing new, just a re-cap.
We already know a surprising amount about the PlayStation 5 and next Xbox — here's how the 2 consoles compare
With just a little over a year until next-gen game consoles arrive, we're comparing the details of the next PlayStation and Xbox consoles.
amp.businessinsider.com
SonGoku
Member
Its a Hispanic name though, even discarding past names its out of character for Sony.
Its not really lol no matter how its spinned
Could be an off the shelf gaming APU AMD sells to multiple companies for their gaming oriented products (laptops, media box etc)
Case in point this chip which the SuborZ is based on made the rounds Computex 18
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/62107/amd-fenghuang-15ff-faster-rx-vega-gh-rocks-2gb-hbm2/index.html
Compare that to the SuborZ final chip
Hands-on with the Subor Z-Plus: AMD tech tested in new Chinese console
AMD processors combining x86 CPUs and Radeon GPU technology have defined the current era of console gaming, but what if…
www.eurogamer.net
It is based on the Zen 2 decoder Apisak originally tweeted
Connections to PS5 are wild speculation at best based on two numbers that could be anything
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DemonCleaner
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Radeon VII vs. 5700XT in Geekbench:
5700XT on the right. best radeon VII result i found.
5700XT on the right. best radeon VII result i found.
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TeamGhobad
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it kills the radeon vii!? this is excellent news.
It doesnt actually. Look at particle score.
In general, its slower then Radeon7, but massive particle score puts it well in front
TeamGhobad
Banned
which is awesome!! i care more about physics.
IceManCat
Member
Sounds like it can handle higher resolutions better, no?
sonomamashine
Member
isn't that the customisation that Lisa talk'd about for Sony and MS ?
even GOW used particle effects.
Thedtrain
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LordOfChaos
Member
Because of the particle physics score? Not particularly related, that would be bound by fill rate (ROP and bandwidth end) instead. Particle physics would mean more on screen GPGPU effects like dust and ember, destructible environments with each part with physics, etc.
The physics score is an absolute standout against anything though, even a 2080TI. interesting implications for next gen!
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sonomamashine
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mckmas8808
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sonomamashine
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ashes of the singularity benchmark at 1440p crazy preset
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sonomamashine
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this is why Deep Down never saw the light on PS4
Fluid Simulation not possible on PS4, when Capcom made Panta Rhei they didnt expect PS4 to be so weak, Ono looked quit exited when he presented it but ... you know the rest
Fluid Simulation not possible on PS4, when Capcom made Panta Rhei they didnt expect PS4 to be so weak, Ono looked quit exited when he presented it but ... you know the rest
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
SonGoku
Member
Damn i shudder to think the physics a 54-60CU card would pull in a console, we'll get better than UE4 elemental graphics in gameplay.
LordOfChaos
does this bode well for those GI techniques like Sparse Voxel Octree Global Illumination advertised at the start of the gen?
LordOfChaos
does this bode well for those GI techniques like Sparse Voxel Octree Global Illumination advertised at the start of the gen?
DJ12
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Don't know why your still arguing the toss with this guy
To be fair, it's only one guy that's adamant it's a PS5 chip.
ArabianPrynce
Member
90 percent of people in reeeee era are set on this being a console chip.
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