SonGoku
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Its very unlikely due to big die 390mm2 but certainly doable on a console sized box on 7nm euv
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joe_zazen
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Negotiator
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sonomamashine
Member
it screams FAKE .
worst case scenario we will get a vega 56 like gpu, remember CRYTECH RT demo ? coincidence ? maybe not, im thinking vega 56 or navi 5700 .
32Gb ram is ridiculous, worst case 16Gb ram
just be prepared for disappointment, consoles always do, anyway it's gonna be good for everyone specially PC players who tend to get console ports with minor tweaks .
SonGoku
could they pair ssd and hdd, using ssd as ram ? when you instal a game data goes to hdd and some to the ssd ?
SonGoku
Member
It could but that would work against sony pr of no loading times
sonomamashine
Member
no i mean ssd will manage loading time and hdd game data, more like fusion drive ... just to reduce cost
SonGoku
Member
I know but you would have to reload the SSD every time you switch games which would work against the no loading, seamless transitions message
TeamGhobad
Banned
the wording here is interesting. nexbox > ps5 ?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I think it just comes down with what each company is allowing her to say at the time. I would not read too much into anything right now with that.
sonomamashine
Member
there is a difference between planning and producing, EUV just started production last month, lol how .
songoku you are turning into AdoredTv, the man who sold us bs about Navi .
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
It gives more flexibility and better sustained performance (more cheaply) when you improve memory throughput and latency as well as implement wider SIMD units and halve the default wavefront size (better for branchier code).
SonGoku
Member
7nm EUV spec was finalized in 2018, first consumer wafer tapeouts. This month started mass production.
For the record im not claiming they will 100% go with 7nm+, its just what makes the most sense to me, so take it as that... speculation on my part not gospel.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yep, mentioned that several pages back. They have things like this in their plans and roadmaps long before it reaches the public arena. It is why we are seeing the decisions being made. The next gen consoles are not reactionary, but all planned out with future roadmaps. What they had decided for the NextBox and PS5 was planned with some variables long ago.
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ANIMAL1975
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Spanish don't know how to write English without mistakes confirmed
Believe!Crazy Cerny must be cooking something good for the hardcore audience:
SonGoku
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chigstoke
Member
I know misspellings and on purpose mistakes are sometimes put in to track who the person is who leaked the said content.
However I think in this ones case, it is a fake as a lot people think.
ResilientBanana
Member
AMD is not taking advantage of EUV until their 4th Gen Ryzen. It's in their Roadmap as such. The only thing it makes sense for is slim models which will change nothing.
ANIMAL1975
Member
Beats me!... I'm Portuguese so, not good at English too.What would be the correct way to phrase that?
joking referencing my comment?
SonGoku
Member
Zen3 is barely a change from 2, it already layed most of the work for porting zen2 to 7nm+
RDNA2 (what i believe next gen will use) is 7nm+
This is what makes the most sense to me atm, i could be terribly wrong
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sonomamashine
Member
yep, why would AMD use EUV, they just released standard 7nm they would tank their own fresh product, i read previous pages that for next gen its gonna be RDNA 2, why would AMD do that ? people wont buy RDNA 1, waiting for RDNA 2
ResilientBanana
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While you seem to be wildly optimistic, I'm not seeing anything that even hints at Zen 2 (3rd Gen)using the 7nm+ EUV process. One would have to assume that there would be unannounced architectural changes between Zen 2 and Zen 3. If their process is more reliable and higher in definition, one would think they could make use of more cores among other improvements. I do not think that in any way shape or form, it will happen for NextBox or PS5. I know this is a speculation thread, but the future is looking grim on quite a few pipe dreams as of late.Zen3 is barely a change from 2, it already layed most of the work for porting zen2 to 7nm+
RDNA2 (what i believe next gen will use) is 7nm+
This is what makes the most sense to me atm, i could be terribly wrong
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
Member
All your bases are belong to us
Also the less people involved, the more translations errors. It could make sense.
Isn't Sony spain knows for other leaks?
ResilientBanana
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In what world does that fake PowerPoint make sense?All your bases are belong to us
Also the less people involved, the more translations errors. It could make sense.
Isn't Sony spain knows for other leaks?
Evilms
Banned
PlayStation 5 APU To Offer Better Performance Than NVIDIA's GTX 1080 - Rumor
The PlayStation 5 first benchmark seemingly leaked online, revealing that the console's APU will offer better performance than the GTX 1080 GPU
wccftech.com
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ArabianPrynce
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I mean the ps4 pro gpu has future tech that wasn’t even available at the time. So the idea that they can use 7nm ain’t that unlikely
StreetsofBeige
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This article is posting the info from a week ago. I have a hard time believing PS5 is only 4x better than PS4 OG. So PS5 is only going to be "about 7-8 TF"?PlayStation 5 APU To Offer Better Performance Than NVIDIA's GTX 1080 - Rumor
The PlayStation 5 first benchmark seemingly leaked online, revealing that the console's APU will offer better performance than the GTX 1080 GPU
ANIMAL1975
Member
Yes quite a fews. They are not very like ndas and things like that.All your bases are belong to us
Also the less people involved, the more translations errors. It could make sense.
Isn't Sony spain knows for other leaks?
ResilientBanana
Member
Didn't the GPU match the RX480? I'm not sure what sort of future technology it had in it, but it seemed like technilogy that was wildly available, but please correct me if I'm wrong.
The 1080 was ~8.8 TFLOPS so this doesn't surprise me. A little higher than the 8 than I'm expecting.
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Ar¢tos
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I don't find 7nm EUV that unreasonable. Sony started planning the ps5 together with AMD a long time ago. AMD announced Navi knowing that only next iteration would have ray tracing (the EUV one), since Sony wanted Ray tracing, they probably started designing together the hardware even before 7nm EUV was being produced for test samples.
I wrote Sony, but could have been MS or both.
I wrote Sony, but could have been MS or both.
ResilientBanana
Member
You reasonably expect a game console is going to release with more power than nVidia's $1100 2080 TI for $399-$499?
But Samsung is the one with the technology. Neither Microsoft, Sony or AMD would have control over that.
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Ar¢tos
Member
As buyers they would have access to Samsung or other forges road maps (and road maps updates) much much earlier than the general public.
ResilientBanana
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Fair enough, but it's still not part of the Zen 2 roadmap. Why wouldn't they use that same process on the Desktop or Mobile processors? Why would they simply gimp there current CPU and GPU lineups? That seems a bit short sighted.
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Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
I'm surprised people are still analyzing Lisa's words about RDNA. I can't see any reason why RDNA is not part of the PS5 but yet only with the next-gen Xbox. It doesn't make any sense since they are working together for years. RDNA is part of the whole Navi architecture. Next-gen RDNA just means "next-gen over GCN",
Ar¢tos
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To provide mid range and earlier products to the pc market. Otherwise they would have nothing new to sell this year, since 7nm EUV products are only available next year.
Negotiator
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Because Zen 2 & Navi 10 for PCs will launch 17 months before next-gen consoles, that's why.
SpinningBirdKick
Banned
Shoot for the moon and land amongst the stars, right?
12.9 doesn't seem too shabby at all compared to this gen.
Base PS4 owners will lap that up.
Add a bit of Sony Santa Monica/ Guerilla eye candy and they'll forget all about 14.2 anyway.
ResilientBanana
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Then why would they not announce that Xbox and PS5 were on Zen 3 Architecture? Wouldn't that have put Xbox and PS5 in Arcturus territory?
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
You keep talking about features. I'm talking about GPU power.
ArabianPrynce
Member
Well considering they want to shoot for 4K and ray tracing. That shit is gonna consume a lot of power hence the need for more power.
Ar¢tos
Member
Because they might not need it. The zen2 jump is probably more than enough. We don't know what approach they are taking. It might be a chiplet design with 7nm zen2 and 7nm+ navi2. It might even be just a custom APU on base 7nm but with the added RT HW that will exist on PC only on 7nm+.
This is all speculation, we have no idea of anything!
ResilientBanana
Member
I'd rather be surprised than have wild expectations and get disappointed.
Ar¢tos
Member
I won't be disappointed, I don't care for next gen specs and I couldn't care any less for RT.
All I want is decent spec PSVR2! Anything above 8-9tf is more than enough to power that, when we look at the VR we got from 1.8tf.
Gamernyc78
Banned
I'm definitely more excited for PSvr2 than anything. To me this has been the game changer and most innovative thing to come to consoles in generations. I laugh when you see some articles talking about the next Gen consoles are more of the same, wtf does VR come into play? It doesn't exist?
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Ar¢tos
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Given the reach of consoles, I think it's a shame governments don't subsidize educational VR game development. The potential is huge because it can be so much more immersive than normal gaming (language learning, virtual museums, technical / medical learning, etc).I'm definitely more excited for PSvr2 than anything. To me this has been the game changer and most innovative thing to come to consoles in generations. I laugh when you see some articles talking about the next Gen consoles are lore if the same wtf does VR come into play? It doesn't exist?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I'm definitely more excited for PSvr2 than anything. To me this has been the game changer and most innovative thing to come to consoles in generations. I laugh when you see some articles talking about the next Gen consoles are lore if the same wtf does VR come into play? It doesn't exist?
Had Nintendo sold 5 million VR headsets, publications wouldn't be pretending that it didn't exist.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Very true, like when Psnow gets the side glance.
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