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[Shmunter]

This was not a 1st party showcase. The 1st Party showcase from MS is in July. Microsoft said this themselves.

Stop being silly.

Your right, I should have known that the big next gen gameplay reveal would be a step back from the reveals on consoles 7 years ago. Not sure what I was smoking, but I'm quitting right now.

Edit : A glimpse into next next gen....

 

[IkarugaDE]

Let me say this. Those who are happy with just a simple logo reveal and a picture of a controller have no right to criticize the amount of games we saw. Yes the games are not for everyone but it beats the shit out of a logo and a controller.

just my opinion

Enough people here were disappointed with the failed PS5 presentation. Regarding to the PS5 logo, I haven't seen huge leaps of joy. And honestly, the new PS5 controller is very cool and gave me more pleasure.

Last but not least: Nobody would have complained if MS hadn't promised anything epic beforehand. And (just my opinion): Nobody should deny someone else's right.

 

[Kazekage1981]

Your right, I should have known that the big next gen gameplay reveal would be a step back from the reveals on consoles 7 years ago. Not sure what I was smoking, but I'm quitting right now.

Edit : A glimpse into next next gen....

That is 1 game and a 1st party one which was revealed in Summer of 2013. Can you show a video of Sony's indie/third party development support for PS4?

 

[Clintizzle]

Your right, I should have known that the big next gen gameplay reveal would be a step back from the reveals on consoles 7 years ago. Not sure what I was smoking, but I'm quitting right now.

Edit : A glimpse into next next gen....

FOR FUCKS SAKE DUDE.

You're comparing Sony's MAIN E3 event with FIRST PARTY DEVELOPERS to a Microsoft's SIDE EVENT with THIRD PARTY DEVELOPERS GAMES.

Grow a fucking brain.

This fucking forum man.........

 

[Deleted member 775630]

It's on them to show us the benefits of that 12.28TF + SSD + whatever. Even here, we are the hardcore, audience, people want to ave a reason to buy the new machines to spend every single dollar of extra income we have on it, we want to hype our friends about the new generation of games, etc.

And as I have said many times over, it will be pretty hard to move people away from their PS4s with the same games running at 4K/60fps + some ray tracing sometimes + faster loading times and gamepass (especially when PSNow is a better "deal" that they can access now).

Unless you use the SSD in some manner, the graphical bump will be similar to what you get on PCs with a geforce 2080ti, really nice... but this is not like the game looked overwhelmingly different. The last time we had a console generation we did not only gain benefits from higher resolution and framerate new rendering techniques that gave games a completely new feel were enabled, ou can see it in Sony's ports of PS3 games to the PS4 (TLoU, Uncharted) these games run better, but they still look like PS3 games, nothing close to even day 1 releases like Killzone:SF on the PS4. So if the arguments are not made well enough these consoles will only ever get to run PS4/XB1 compatible games in enhanced mode, like the PRO consoles do now, only more.


I bet they only changed the graphics setting s to match higher PC equivalent settings and build target to Xbox series X at build time and then you have something similar to the benefits offered by the X over the base version--if the X was the base console.

What is not clear is what happens if you pop your existing Xbox one game in a series X machine. Is the new machine really backward compatible? Or is it not? If it really is backward compatible you should be able to play the not enhanced version anyway.

You know these games are created by a handful of people, right? These are small studios who don't have the budget to create amazingly looking games.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

I am all excited for Sony and Microsoft for next gen. Like seriously both have some amazing content lined up and we are about to be gobsmacked. Just be patient everyone!

 

[Shmunter]

FOR FUCKS SAKE DUDE.

You're comparing Sony's MAIN E3 event with FIRST PARTY DEVELOPERS to a Microsoft's SIDE EVENT with THIRD PARTY DEVELOPERS GAMES.

Grow a fucking brain.

This fucking forum man.........

1.8TF, 7 YEARS ago. Who would have guessed.

Edi:t and real gameplay vs showy edited footage. If I facepalm any harder I'll knock myself out.

 

[Kazekage1981]

You know these games are created by a handful of people, right? These are small studios who don't have the budget to create amazingly looking games.

Its like asking indie movie directors/producers and actors to make multi million dollar Hollywood movies with CGI and shit blowing up.

 

[Kazekage1981]

1.8TF, 7 YEARS ago. Who would have guessed.

Edi:t and real gameplay vs showy edited footage. If I facepalm any harder I'll knock myself out.

If this was Sonys reveal you would give it the same criticism right?

 

[3liteDragon]

Studios not on the Microsoft list of partners include Ready at Dawn,Arrow Head and Bluepoint.

Rockstar.

WHAT IF... Sony has the marketing rights to the games from these studios? (With the exception of Bluepoint Games and maybe Ready At Dawn) I mean is that really a stretch? Cause Microsoft did say that this event was strictly for third-party but barely showed anything from some of the biggest third-party studios. Ffs, Rockstar... ROCKSTAR GAMES wasn't even on their list of partners who are developing for the Series X, now that doesn't mean they aren't but maybe it means they can't advertise it because of the marketing rights agreement Sony could potentially have with these studios. Weren't there also rumours a few months ago about GTA 6 being a one month timed-exclusive for PS5?

 

[Shmunter]

If this was Sonys reveal you would give it the same criticism right?

I trashed the Godfall leak, so I'm quite sure I'm capable of calling a spade a spade.

 

[Kazekage1981]

I trashed the Godfall leak, so I'm quite sure I'm capable of calling a spade a spade.

But but but the logo, and the controller and the SSD.......

Godfall looks aight' I am willing to give it a try.

 

[SgtCaffran]

Have you watched this video?

Thanks, interesting video. Seems quite a fair comparison although not much new info compared to what I have already posted unfortunately.

Also he started with some false information about only the top 100 PS4 games being available for BC at launch.

 

[IkarugaDE]

If this was Sonys reveal you would give it the same criticism right?

One or two games were really interesting. But honestly, there was nothing to justify this hype beforehand that MS built up themself. This is the main problem here, no matter if Sony did that or MS.

That just reminds me of 2014. 2K had announced a new BIOSHOCK. Many were hypened about a brand new BS. In the end it was just BIOSHOCK for iOS. Was actually awesome (it was cool to play with iPad and a PS3 controller in a time before the switch), but it was disappointing after 2K build up a hype.

 

[Metroiddarks]

One comment about the argument of the indies, many of those trailers are from companies/studios far from be an indie
like Ubisoft or Codemasters and even if that was the case Nintendo do better streaming because you know gameplay
with indies running in a gpu of less than .4 TF.

But lets move to the next date:

I think one game big enough to have a entire is day for itself should be something of Activision in specific the new Call of Duty
just please don't introduce more dogs yeah I remember that cringe.

 

[Darius87]

That was not a screenshot for a game, people assumed it was. It was screenshots of him talking to contacts at studios and he later clarified that, in this very thread.

You guys keep circling back and probing this trying to find a "gotcha", and I am going to lose my patience on it.



No, that was not him. And that was hilarious.

what about this?

I am not going to go back and forth with your drama and crusade you seem to have. He was vetted, and he is providing information. If he is wrong, appropriate action will be taken.

it's time to take appropriate action? or it ever be right time?

 

[PocoJoe]

If this was Sonys reveal you would give it the same criticism right?

If Sony would say "yeaaaaaaaah these are our PS5 EPIC titles!" then of course. Why so many are assuming that people bash MS for "nothing" and then Sony gets away with everything?

Playstation is just more popular, loved and global brand than xbox, I guess it makes some fanboys mad and they see demons everywhere.

This xbox game thingy werent impressive at all, just a shit show. They should have clearly marketed it as "small sneak peak of what small studios can do, bigger titles coming on next event". If Sony would do similar one and claim it is the ps5 powah, it would suck too.

And people talk about the logo+controller because it just shows the popularity of playstation = they can show just tiny bits and it gets more attention than much bigger MS events. I didnt like the ps5 controller looks when they released it, still arent huge fan, but maybe it is good like they say.



Well, I guess it is like this:

Playstation is the hot, funny and smart popular girl

Xbox is the ugly, ankward but rich girl that tries to buy popularity

If first one farts, people are "eww, well, it happens", if second one farts, people are "lol look what the rich freak did!"


AKA Microsoft must be really careful and "perfect" to even get to close what Sony can do with few pictures, as they have clearly much weaker brand and trying to beat the hugely popular brand.

Giving out bad presentation is much bigger deal for the worse brand/product, as they dont have decades of good reputation behind them.

Sony have given people games and pure gaming systems since ps1, gen after gen and always been popular. So if they do few mistakes, it is just a drop in the ocean of awesomeness.

 

[Zzpaff]

As bad as this is or seems to be being the strategy of Sony, the day they put the cards on the table none of that will matter, and that nobody is fooled, and would like to have a quarter of the expectation that the Xbox generates ps5, without hardly lifting a finger.

 

[FeiRR]

Xbone 1.3 TFLOPS machine is hindering NEXT-GEN. MSFT should completely cut it off and use Xbone X 6 TFLOPS as its base for game development.

KILL Xbone 1.3 TFLOP machine MSFT PLEASE.

They can't. Their install base is so small they have to combine generations to even convince publishers to release games for their platform. If they started pushing for XSX only games, what install base could they have in a year, 2-3 million? This generation they sold about 5 million/year but it's not going to happen again due to the new reality. I think 9th gen will be the last for Xbox. It's time Microsoft let it go and focused on what prints money for them right now (clouds). Funny thing, a few years ago I was sceptical about clouds but look how the world has changed.

 

[B_Boss]

 

[xacto]

Lol I forgot how triggered NeoGaf can get.

I'm sorry guys I forgot that in this relm the Contollers and Logos are whats most important.

I think its shitty to downplay what some of these indie devs are working on as trash. There some very good games on show but I guess most of you only want to see exclusive AA game only.

I will go discuss the games in other forums where discussion is civil and doesn't build down to "BuT ThEy HAvE MoRE LiKEs oN InSTAgRAm AnD THE MEaninG BeHInD thE LoGO is VeRy SeNTiMEntal sLoLOL AaA GamES ARe THe OnLY GaMeS WORth TAlKinG AboUT"

This is a really disingenuous stance on your side, trying to convince people that those games showed yesterday were more than some interesting AA semi-indie titles (except for AC). When Playstation has current generation games that look like night and day better difference than those titles presented by Microsoft, you're diverting the conversation about "poor indie devs."

No one is downplaying the work of indie devs, people are just talking about what Microsoft choose to hype up people with going into the next gen. Which, it really doesn't matter what side of the fence you're on, was completely sub-par.

People hyping up the controller were right to be so, because that piece of tech gives us some insight into Sony's next console, let alone the fact that it's definite improvement over the DS4, so I guess people cannot be judged for that. Hype was built, and it delivered.

You cannot say so about Xbox's games presentation - hype was built, and it underdelivered terribly. As simple as that. I am not saying first party games won't perfectly illustrate what that console is capable of, but until then, WYSIWYG.

 

[xacto]

If Sony would say "yeaaaaaaaah these are our PS5 EPIC titles!" then of course. Why so many are assuming that people bash MS for "nothing" and then Sony gets away with everything?

Playstation is just more popular, loved and global brand than xbox, I guess it makes some fanboys mad and they see demons everywhere.

This xbox game thingy werent impressive at all, just a shit show. They should have clearly marketed it as "small sneak peak of what small studios can do, bigger titles coming on next event". If Sony would do similar one and claim it is the ps5 powah, it would suck too.

And people talk about the logo+controller because it just shows the popularity of playstation = they can show just tiny bits and it gets more attention than much bigger MS events. I didnt like the ps5 controller looks when they released it, still arent huge fan, but maybe it is good like they say.



Well, I guess it is like this:

Playstation is the hot, funny and smart popular girl

Xbox is the ugly, ankward but rich girl that tries to buy popularity

If first one farts, people are "eww, well, it happens", if second one farts, people are "lol look what the rich freak did!"


AKA Microsoft must be really careful and "perfect" to even get to close what Sony can do with few pictures, as they have clearly much weaker brand and trying to beat the hugely popular brand.

Giving out bad presentation is much bigger deal for the worse brand/product, as they dont have decades of good reputation behind them.

Sony have given people games and pure gaming systems since ps1, gen after gen and always been popular. So if they do few mistakes, it is just a drop in the ocean of awesomeness.

Nah, mate, apparently it's ok for people to shit all over Mark Cerny's PS5 presentation for developers, where regular gamers (most of them) had no freaking idea what he was even talking about, but it's NOT ok for regular gamers to shit all over a failed games presentation.

Talking about double standards.

 

[Bonsaibäumchen]

I am actually wondering if we are going to see any "Next-Gen-Only" titles this year at all.
Seeing how many titles PS4 still got this and last year I am not sure about Sonys first party studio output. I fear we won't see any exclusive next-gen-only AAA Titles for both consoles until mid 2021/2022.

 

[pasterpl]

They can't. Their install base is so small they have to combine generations to even convince publishers to release games for their platform. If they started pushing for XSX only games, what install base could they have in a year, 2-3 million? This generation they sold about 5 million/year but it's not going to happen again due to the new reality. I think 9th gen will be the last for Xbox. It's time Microsoft let it go and focused on what prints money for them right now (clouds). Funny thing, a few years ago I was sceptical about clouds but look how the world has changed.

you are making it sound like they have sold 1 mln consoles during the whole console gen. it is a fact that while x360 was actually pretty successfu, xbone didn't sell as well as the previous gen, but it still sold just over 40 mln units

 

[Stuart360]

They can't. Their install base is so small they have to combine generations to even convince publishers to release games for their platform. If they started pushing for XSX only games, what install base could they have in a year, 2-3 million? This generation they sold about 5 million/year but it's not going to happen again due to the new reality. I think 9th gen will be the last for Xbox. It's time Microsoft let it go and focused on what prints money for them right now (clouds). Funny thing, a few years ago I was sceptical about clouds but look how the world has changed.

Do you actually believe this?, or are you just Thelastwords alt account?

 

[bitbydeath]

WHAT IF... Sony has the marketing rights to the games from these studios? (With the exception of Bluepoint Games and maybe Ready At Dawn) I mean is that really a stretch? Cause Microsoft did say that this event was strictly for third-party but barely showed anything from some of the biggest third-party studios. Ffs, Rockstar... ROCKSTAR GAMES wasn't even on their list of partners who are developing for the Series X, now that doesn't mean they aren't but maybe it means they can't advertise it because of the marketing rights agreement Sony could potentially have with these studios. Weren't there also rumours a few months ago about GTA 6 being a one month timed-exclusive for PS5?

Being timed exclusive may also mean they aren't actively developing GTAVI on it right now but rather port it over once they've finished making it on PS5.

 

[xacto]

I am actually wondering if we are going to see any "Next-Gen-Only" titles this year at all.
Seeing how many titles PS4 still got this and last year I am not sure about Sonys first party studio output. I fear we won't see any exclusive next-gen-only AAA Titles for both consoles until mid 2021/2022.

I was wondering the same. We also need to realize that the games presented by Microsoft will also be on PS5; I have no doubt they will look just as they looked on Xbox, nothing more, nothing less. So we either need the big house developers to step in and show us some real next-gen games, or first party developers. Or both.

Anyway, it was a good ride with my PS4 all these years, but all these big games still left to be released this year, I will not even buy them for PS4 anymore. I am a bit fed up with the slow HDD and the frame rate drops. Especially for huge games like Cyberpunk or Dying Light 2, that might be a problem. So I will wait for now.

 

[FranXico]

Their install base is so small they have to combine generations to even convince publishers to release games for their platform.

50 million is not exactly small. It is enough to want to invest into the platform.

 

[rntongo]

Nah, mate, apparently it's ok for people to shit all over Mark Cerny's PS5 presentation for developers, where regular gamers (most of them) had no freaking idea what he was even talking about, but it's NOT ok for regular gamers to shit all over a failed games presentation.

Talking about double standards.

I liked Cerny's presentation and think the XSX is a far superior device except the SSD. But this Inside Xbox was honestly worse than road to PS5. They called it the beginning of next gen gameplay.

 

[Bonsaibäumchen]

Do you actually believe this?, or are you just Thelastwords alt account?

I think what he meant was - the Installbase for Xbox Series X and PS5 will be so small in the first year that no 3rd Party Publisher/Developer would consider to make a game only for that generation and one console. Even a multiplatform Next-Gen only ( Pc's excluded ) Title would only have an installbase of maybe 10-40 Million.
(PS4 sold about 13.5 million Consoles in the first year and Xbox One about 10 Million in the same time, so taking the economic situation into consideration sales of next gen might be hurting a lot or be still better then last gen)

 

[Kazekage1981]

If Sony would say "yeaaaaaaaah these are our PS5 EPIC titles!" then of course. Why so many are assuming that people bash MS for "nothing" and then Sony gets away with everything?

Playstation is just more popular, loved and global brand than xbox, I guess it makes some fanboys mad and they see demons everywhere.

This xbox game thingy werent impressive at all, just a shit show. They should have clearly marketed it as "small sneak peak of what small studios can do, bigger titles coming on next event". If Sony would do similar one and claim it is the ps5 powah, it would suck too.

And people talk about the logo+controller because it just shows the popularity of playstation = they can show just tiny bits and it gets more attention than much bigger MS events. I didnt like the ps5 controller looks when they released it, still arent huge fan, but maybe it is good like they say.



Well, I guess it is like this:

Playstation is the hot, funny and smart popular girl

Xbox is the ugly, ankward but rich girl that tries to buy popularity

If first one farts, people are "eww, well, it happens", if second one farts, people are "lol look what the rich freak did!"


AKA Microsoft must be really careful and "perfect" to even get to close what Sony can do with few pictures, as they have clearly much weaker brand and trying to beat the hugely popular brand.

Giving out bad presentation is much bigger deal for the worse brand/product, as they dont have decades of good reputation behind them.

Sony have given people games and pure gaming systems since ps1, gen after gen and always been popular. So if they do few mistakes, it is just a drop in the ocean of awesomeness.

This is a really disingenuous stance on your side, trying to convince people that those games showed yesterday were more than some interesting AA semi-indie titles (except for AC). When Playstation has current generation games that look like night and day better difference than those titles presented by Microsoft, you're diverting the conversation about "poor indie devs."

No one is downplaying the work of indie devs, people are just talking about what Microsoft choose to hype up people with going into the next gen. Which, it really doesn't matter what side of the fence you're on, was completely sub-par.

People hyping up the controller were right to be so, because that piece of tech gives us some insight into Sony's next console, let alone the fact that it's definite improvement over the DS4, so I guess people cannot be judged for that. Hype was built, and it delivered.

You cannot say so about Xbox's games presentation - hype was built, and it underdelivered terribly. As simple as that. I am not saying first party games won't perfectly illustrate what that console is capable of, but until then, WYSIWYG.

Nah, mate, apparently it's ok for people to shit all over Mark Cerny's PS5 presentation for developers, where regular gamers (most of them) had no freaking idea what he was even talking about, but it's NOT ok for regular gamers to shit all over a failed games presentation.

Talking about double standards.

I am not making any excuses for MSFT, as gamers have absolute right to trash talk the event and the games presented. What *IS* disingenuous is comparing these titles to:

1ST PARTY MULTI MILLION DOLLAR, 2-4 YEAR DEVELOPMENT, 50+ STAFF/TEAM GAMES.

You wanna trash talk these games then do it with "spade for spade" indie/third party games on PS5 or even PS4 like you all preach. The best one I can think of is Godfall.

 

[Xiung Wang Wei]

Assassin Creed (and probably all open worlds during the gen) will run at 30fps on Xbox and PS5

 

[Kazekage1981]

Assassin Creed (and probably all open worlds during the gen) will run at 30fps on Xbox and PS5

Assassins Creed like previous Assassins will have multiple versions:

Xbone, Xbone X, XsX, PS4, PS4Pro, PS5, PC, Switch.

 

[xacto]

I am not making any excuses for MSFT, as gamers have absolute right to trash talk the event and the games presented. What *IS* disingenuous on your part is comparing these titles to:

1ST PARTY MULTI MILLION DOLLAR, 2-4 YEAR DEVELOPMENT, 50+ STAFF/TEAM GAMES.

You wanna trash talk these games then do it with "spade for spade" indie/third party games on PS5 or even PS4 like you all preach. The best one I can think of is Godfall.

Personally, I haven't made ANY comparison between 1st and 3rd party games on any console, so you'd better quote the right person. I have also not quoted YOU making (or not) excuses for MSFT, I believe?

Also, 3rd party games this generation, at least so far, look better than what Microsoft presented.

 

[megreotsugua]

So...what is the point of having 12TF then? I guess that proves that SSDs are the real game changer next generation.

SSD coupled with high production. SSD alone will not give us next-gen graphics.

Sony World Wide Studios are either excited right now to show their games or are afraid of people's expectation.

We will see. Please don't let me down Herman Hulst.

 

[Kazekage1981]

Personally, I haven't made ANY comparison between 1st and 3rd party games on any console, so you'd better quote the right person. I have also not quoted YOU making (or not) excuses for MSFT, I believe?

Also, 3rd party games this generation, at least so far, look better than what Microsoft presented.

This includes third party games that already exist on Xbox One and Xbox One X? Is that a correct assumption? Sorry I did quote you wrong. I edited my post, you did not compare 1st party to 3rd party but other neogaf members have.

 

[Clintizzle]

So...what is the point of having 12TF then? I guess that proves that SSDs are the real game changer next generation.

That is the dumbest thing I've read today. Congrats dude.

 

[FeiRR]

50 million is not exactly small. It is enough to want to invest into the platform.

Last estimates were at 46m but, yeah, it's not much of a difference. But I was talking about combined sales. If Microsoft decided to push XSX games only, I bet a lot of publishers would hesitate or just consider that investment cost-ineffective. You could have observed a similar trend with indie and Japanese studios at the beginning of this generation. If you lose money on a port once, you'll be more cautious in the future. This has nothing to do with brand preference, publishers don't care about it. It's just profit or loss for them. Microsoft hiding their sales numbers also doesn't help their image. If you hide hard facts, they're unfavourable for you. They might convince delusional fanboys that they're doing fine but investors are smarter than that.

 

[Fake]

I trashed the Godfall leak, so I'm quite sure I'm capable of calling a spade a spade.

I trashed Godfall as well. I don't get people at all. Already bashed Sony many times.

 

[icerock]

Why so many are assuming that people bash MS for "nothing" and then Sony gets away with everything?

It's persecution complex, which is evident on both sides and it's really fucking annoying.

Sony have been dunked on for both their logo reveal as well as Cernys' presentation, because from marketing perspective it didn't make sense to put a 50 min technical jargon for masses first taste of PS5, with no tech demos to demonstrate all this amazing leap. If Sony promised a stream where the 'gaming would change' and then delivered 12 indies in a row, the reaction would be much worse. Both forums would be a total warzone.

Had MS marketed it as a regular Inside Xbox with some snippets of what's in store for Series X, the reaction would've been tepid as not many bother watching Inside Xbox generally. It's telling that people who are fans of the brand also view it as a mis-step, it's not a conspiracy whipped up in last few days even though many like to believe that to put themselves at ease.

 

[Shmunter]

I trashed Godfall as well. I don't get people at all. Already bashed Sony many times.

When there's trashing and bashing to be done, we all need to step up and get the job done. And vice versa.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

Hey guys there's a thread to bash ms show, let's back on topic with the tech speculation
MILKMAN had a great idea to begin a good discussion and everyone driving through? I'm in but don't have the math or tech skills, so anyone who can...

Just changing tack for a sec back to tech specs stuff.....

Anyone any idea how much die space Sony's I/O complex might take up? My gut instinct/tales from ass guess is thinking 20-30mm^2?

 

[silent head]

 

[scie]

You guys realise that those games from yesterday will look like almost exactly the same on all other platforms when being released? For instance Dirt5 will be released on XSX, Xbox One, PS5, PS4, Stadia and Steam. For consoles only they have to bring this game to 6 versions, than Stadia and Steam is another example of how many different hardware configurations they have to code for...
There will be a huge gap in graphics for exclusives and multiplats...

DIRT - The award winning off-road racing franchise

DIRT lets you experience the most iconic and extreme off-road vehicles in beautiful locations across the globe

www.dirtgame.com

 

[zufuel]

 

[Radical_3d]

Hey guys there's a thread to bash ms show, let's back on topic with the tech speculation
MILKMAN had a great idea to begin a good discussion and everyone driving through? I'm in but don't have the math or tech skills, so anyone who can...

Between the custom silicon, the patented cooling solution and the out of the future SSD everybody who expects the PS5 to be cheaper than the SX just because his chip is smaller is fooling himself. It's going to be very high priced.

 

[draliko]

the thing that really irritates me is, don't you guys in America have better mics and webcams? For god's sake you're a high exec from MS can't you afford better hardware and decent internet? Always seems so amateurish... hope the June one will be better. On the games, being all 3rd party i must say i saw something nice, and something that was just a filler, the truth is way too soon to show next gen games, you have to build moment from the summer to the release date, so my hopes are as always for the e3 period

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

Lol I forgot how triggered NeoGaf can get.

I'm sorry guys I forgot that in this relm the Contollers and Logos are whats most important.

I think its shitty to downplay what some of these indie devs are working on as trash. There some very good games on show but I guess most of you only want to see exclusive AA game only.

I will go discuss the games in other forums where discussion is civil and doesn't build down to "BuT ThEy HAvE MoRE LiKEs oN InSTAgRAm AnD THE MEaninG BeHInD thE LoGO is VeRy SeNTiMEntal sLoLOL AaA GamES ARe THe OnLY GaMeS WORth TAlKinG AboUT"

You seem to be the only uncivil one here. You were being edgy and got countered. Not everyone is gonna agree with you when you have such an opinion so don't go into personal insults

 

[jasondefaoite]

For god's sake you're a high exec from MS can't you afford better hardware and decent internet? Always seems so amateurish...

I mean, even the ad they snuck in for MS Teams was poorly done.

 

[Clintizzle]

You seem to be the only uncivil one here. You were being edgy and got countered. Not everyone is gonna agree with you when you have such an opinion so don't go into personal insults

Oh shit good one dude. Turn my argument on me. Fucking smart as fuck. IQ level 9000 here guys. We are not worthy.