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Let me say this. Those who are happy with just a simple logo reveal and a picture of a controller have no right to criticize the amount of games we saw. Yes the games are not for everyone but it beats the shit out of a logo and a controller.

just my opinion :)
 
Clintizzle said:
Let me say this. Those who are happy with just a simple logo reveal and a picture of a controller have no right to criticize the amount of games we saw. Yes the games are not for everyone but it beats the shit out of a logo and a controller.

just my opinion :)
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travisktl said:
That wasn't even for sure what the games will look like. At the bottom of every trailer it said that it was a target for the "expected performance of Xbox Series X" or something along those lines, so we'll have to wait and see what those games actually end up looking like, which could be better or worse.
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Yeah, that really surprised me. It's less than 6 months till hardware release, ostensibly, and yet they don't have real gameplay to show yet? Even in demo form or part of levels? I'm just very surprised for that not to be the case.
 
Clintizzle said:
Let me say this. Those who are happy with just a simple logo reveal and a picture of a controller have no right to criticize the amount of games we saw. Yes the games are not for everyone but it beats the shit out of a logo and a controller.

just my opinion :)
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Let me say this. Nobody is happy with a logo and a controller.
 
MasterCornholio said:
I think it's what that logo and controller represent that gets people excited in my opinion. With that brand people are pretty confident with the software that they will get and for good reason.
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Lets see what Sony got for us. So when will there be a Sony reveal. It better not have a fake audience.
 
MasterCornholio said:
You can always play those next gen PS4 titles on the PS5.

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Just kidding but I will admit that Ghosts looks really good.
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I preorder 90% of my games, no waiting for me. I'll leave the waiting for others, PS4 is still pumping some great juice. By PS5, I won't touch a PS4 game (that I've played), BC is just not my taste. I won't miss my 180+ PS4 games, just like every next gen jump.
 
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Bo_Hazem said:
I preorder 90% of my games, no waiting for me. I'll leave the waiting for others, PS4 is still pumping some great juice. By PS5, I won't touch a PS4 game (that I've played), BC is just not my taste. I won't miss my 180+ PS4 games, just like every next gen jump.
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Too bad all those PS3 games that took millions of dollars and years to develop for go to literal graveyard. There are some damn good PS3 games that will never see the light of day again. Good job Sony.
 
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Clintizzle said:
Let me say this. Those who are happy with just a simple logo reveal and a picture of a controller have no right to criticize the amount of games we saw. Yes the games are not for everyone but it beats the shit out of a logo and a controller.

just my opinion :)
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I think myself and many here have shared our frustration with the drip feeding Sony have been doing and I for one would criticise them just the same if they put a stream out like we saw today. I would hope they don't plan doing anything similar.

Also the issue was never with the games or their devs but almost entirely with how Microsoft pitched it beforehand. Even Albert Penello and the RDX crew have called this out to put this in perspective.
 
Kazekage1981 said:
Too bad all those PS3 games that took millions of dollars and years to develop for go to literal shit. There are some damn good PS3 games that will never see the light of day again. Good job Sony.
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If you give me all the PS3 games for free, I won't touch any (probably played around 200-250 games and gave all of them away along with the console). You can always grab and keep a PS3, PS2, PS1. Let's not waste time on ancient games. What saddens me is that I can't giveaway the games as they're mainly digital, like I did with previous ones.
 
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THE:MILKMAN said:
I think myself and many here have shared our frustration with the drip feeding Sony have been doing and I for one would criticise them just the same if they put a stream out like we saw today. I would hope they don't plan doing anything similar.

Also the issue was never with the games or their devs but almost entirely with how Microsoft pitched it beforehand. Even Albert Penello and the RDX crew have called this out to put this in perspective.
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Agreed. Should have been sold as a sneak peak at some upcoming games with XSX patches + AC. Inside Xbox just doesn't have the presentation for these kind of things. They should do their E3 show on a stage, pre-recorded with no audience of course, with a lot more polish. With that said, I thought most of what they showed looked interesting the flower arrangements with legs was the only one that threw me. LOL
 
Bo_Hazem said:
If you give me all the PS3 games for free, I won't touch any. You can always grab and keep a PS3, PS2, PS1. Let's not waste time on ancient games. What saddens me is that I can't giveaway the games as they're mainly digital, like I did with previous ones.
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Who the hell wants to keep PS3, PS2 and PS1? I felt proud of owning a PS3 system with the physical copies of the games. I didnt get the time to finish every single game, and I thought I wouldn't have to worry cause it would just carry over to next gen. I was so wrong.

I didnt buy PS4 or PS4Pro, and I have missed out on a lot of good games, but this time Sony has made a well rounded console and I look forward to playing PS4 games on PS5.
 
Kazekage1981 said:
Who the hell wants to keep PS3, PS2 and PS1? I felt proud of owning a PS3 system with the physical copies of the games. I didnt get the time to finish every single game, and I thought I wouldn't have to worry cause it would just carry over to next gen. I was so wrong.

I didnt buy PS4 or PS4Pro, and I have missed out on a lot of good games, but this time Sony has made a well rounded console and I look forward to playing PS4 games on PS5.
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It's a different story if you still didn't play them, I can't recall any interesting game that I've missed, I'm literally waiting for Ghost of Tsushima now and the rest before shifting to PS5.
 
X-Fighter said:
Graphically, I'm not even sure what Microsoft can do about this. You are pretty much just shitting on all those hard working devs and their games
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It's on them to show us the benefits of that 12.28TF + SSD + whatever. Even here, we are the hardcore, audience, people want to ave a reason to buy the new machines to spend every single dollar of extra income we have on it, we want to hype our friends about the new generation of games, etc.

And as I have said many times over, it will be pretty hard to move people away from their PS4s with the same games running at 4K/60fps + some ray tracing sometimes + faster loading times and gamepass (especially when PSNow is a better "deal" that they can access now).

Unless you use the SSD in some manner, the graphical bump will be similar to what you get on PCs with a geforce 2080ti, really nice... but this is not like the game looked overwhelmingly different. The last time we had a console generation we did not only gain benefits from higher resolution and framerate new rendering techniques that gave games a completely new feel were enabled, ou can see it in Sony's ports of PS3 games to the PS4 (TLoU, Uncharted) these games run better, but they still look like PS3 games, nothing close to even day 1 releases like Killzone:SF on the PS4. So if the arguments are not made well enough these consoles will only ever get to run PS4/XB1 compatible games in enhanced mode, like the PRO consoles do now, only more.

IntentionalPun said:
"Generation" - it's not a cross-gen game, that's all that means.
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I bet they only changed the graphics setting s to match higher PC equivalent settings and build target to Xbox series X at build time and then you have something similar to the benefits offered by the X over the base version--if the X was the base console.

What is not clear is what happens if you pop your existing Xbox one game in a series X machine. Is the new machine really backward compatible? Or is it not? If it really is backward compatible you should be able to play the not enhanced version anyway.
 
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Just changing tack for a sec back to tech specs stuff.....

Anyone any idea how much die space Sony's I/O complex might take up? My gut instinct/tales from ass guess is thinking 20-30mm^2?
 
Clintizzle said:
Let me say this. Those who are happy with just a simple logo reveal and a picture of a controller have no right to criticize the amount of games we saw. Yes the games are not for everyone but it beats the shit out of a logo and a controller.

just my opinion :)
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The logo and controller reveal generated more legitimate hype than all of these amateur hour games combined. MS Should have came out swords swinging with First Party heavy hitters. Changed the "Xbox has no good exclusives" narrative. Instead, they showed fucking whatever they did. They could have gone for the momentum juggular today with a good showing. What if Sony's event is in May, and they have even a single AAA Exclusive game with actual next gen graphics. All that good will MS built up would go to waste.

The show was shit.
 
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THE:MILKMAN said:
The only explanation I can possibly come up with is Microsoft don't want to show their hand before Sony?

I'd hope neither were so concerned about the other but who knows after today.
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I'm not sure why, it's not like Sony will go "Oh, MS has a lot of games. Hey Naughty Dog, any chance you can make Uncharted 5 in 4 months in order to counter that?". Game slate is something planned years in advance. I mean, they have a full stream just for first-party games in two months so I guess they have games to show, but why the hell hype this stream and show your console for the first time like that? And now, for 60 days, people will remember the XSX looking like this. If Sony reveals a big AAA title in the coming weeks, people will look at it as Horizon 2 (or whatever) VS high res Xbox One indie game. That's some bad marketing. They should have done it just before the July stream, when Hellblade 2, Perfect Dark and Halo Infinite trailers/demes are just around the corner.
 
Clintizzle said:
Let me say this. Those who are happy with just a simple logo reveal and a picture of a controller have no right to criticize the amount of games we saw. Yes the games are not for everyone but it beats the shit out of a logo and a controller.

just my opinion :)
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I doubt anyone is happy with that, it's just all we've gotten so far but we all want more lol.
 
Bo_Hazem said:
No worries, guys, we should wait for Guerrilla Games' new Horizon game for the industry-benchmark graphics.

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Official website, no BS:

www.guerrilla-games.com

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I found this on https://www.guerrilla-games.com/. Check it out!
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Something similar released a few months ago about the God of War sequel which was my favourite game. I am so hyped!
 
Clintizzle said:
Let me say this. Those who are happy with just a simple logo reveal and a picture of a controller have no right to criticize the amount of games we saw. Yes the games are not for everyone but it beats the shit out of a logo and a controller.

just my opinion :)
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The amount is okay. The quality is one dollar worth. Oh wait, that's exactly what I'm paying for XGP. Everything's right.
 
Clintizzle said:
Let me say this. Those who are happy with just a simple logo reveal and a picture of a controller have no right to criticize the amount of games we saw. Yes the games are not for everyone but it beats the shit out of a logo and a controller.

just my opinion :)
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But have you seen the number of retweets on Sony news?? Sony is winning big they don't even need games or even a console. Just the controller and you play your imagination.
 
Clintizzle said:
Let me say this. Those who are happy with just a simple logo reveal and a picture of a controller have no right to criticize the amount of games we saw. Yes the games are not for everyone but it beats the shit out of a logo and a controller.

just my opinion :)
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Well, within context, Sony never promised anything when revealing either the logo or dualsense. Our expectations were.....well all over the place as it could've been anything so when we did get something there was hype and excitement, waiting for the next thing. Now that you have me pondering this, it's pretty impressive how Sony builds insane hype, wittingly or not 🤔...

As many have said or expressed, they believe there was more hype than delivery or over promises and under delivery. The situation with the logo and controller was different in that regard.

Of course, in hindsight, the games we've been shown today seem far more exciting than a logo or a controller but context is key.
 
3liteDragon said:
Do you know something or just guessing? I'm hoping for a hardware reveal this month and a games reveal event in June, I feel like showing everything off in June will be too much after seeing Microsoft's strategy. I don't know, maybe it's just me.
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We went from Feb to June and at this rate we might get a Saturn style surprise release.
 
Radical_3d said:
Let me say this. Nobody is happy with a logo and a controller.
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Why not? Seems to work. Drop few infos. and let the internet do the rest. I agree that they should have shown something in april. But maybe theyre opting for a every 2 month new news strategy;

Logo Jan.
Controller March?
<___> something in May?

Wouldnt it be funny, if all the showed in may was the (retail) box of the PS5.
 
King Harkinian said:
Why not? Seems to work. Drop few infos. and let the internet do the rest. I agree that they should have shown something in april. But maybe theyre opting for a every 2 month new news strategy;

Logo Jan.
Controller March?
<___> something in May?

Wouldnt it be funny, if all the showed in may was the (retail) box of the PS5.
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I agree. They don't need to spend anything on advertisement. Just hire a contractor to handle the official twitter account and be done with it.
 
DeepEnigma said:
That wouldn't be a "next gen" game now would it?
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I think it's safe to assume that games with much bigger assets will take longer to load. Which is why these systems will probably take longer to load a next gen game than a current gen one.

However there's that State of Decay demo that shows that current gen games on the XSX can still have loading times. With that said it makes me wonder what game that person was playing.

Disclaimer

I'm only using the State of Decay demo as an example because it's currently all that we have. I'm sure Microsoft will give us a better demo when they can.
 
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King Harkinian said:
Why not? Seems to work. Drop few infos. and let the internet do the rest. I agree that they should have shown something in april. But maybe theyre opting for a every 2 month new news strategy;

Logo Jan.
Controller March?
<___> something in May?

Wouldnt it be funny, if all the showed in may was the (retail) box of the PS5.
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I'll respond this quoting myself:
Radical_3d said:
If I were Sony I'd keep things quiet until the reserves frame period. No show in June. Nothing in summer. Keep us starving until October. And then… big time event with all the games. "Do you want this s**t? It comes out in four weeks. You can preorder it… now!"

Just to see what happens.
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By the way, this video that DrKeo DrKeo showed me is getting me hyped for the next gen Spider-Man. There are so many limitations that had to be solved just for the speed of the drive... It literally is less than it could be GPU wise because of that.

 
Radical_3d said:
I'll respond this quoting myself:


By the way, this video that DrKeo DrKeo showed me is getting me hyped for the next gen Spider-Man. There are so many limitations that had to be solved just for the speed of the drive... It literally is less than it could be GPU wise because of that.

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Should post this in that new SSD thread about graphics for those still in doubt if you already have not done so. Not that some will watch it or anything.
 
I am so disappointed in those "gameplay" reveals...from that "gameplay" trailer of AC Valhalla, it looks like an asset-flip of AC Odyssey, it looks so weird and out of place.

Also I cannot believe how yesterday, The Last of Us 2 trailer that has released yesterday have raised the bar here to the point we're looking at The Last of Us 2 looking like a Next-generation game after what we saw from Inside Xbox.

The graphics, animations, character models, attention-to-detail are in a league of their own.

The benchmark of this current-generation.
 
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Clintizzle said:
Let me say this. Those who are happy with just a simple logo reveal and a picture of a controller have no right to criticize the amount of games we saw. Yes the games are not for everyone but it beats the shit out of a logo and a controller.
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But does it impress as much existing games? Just sayin'
 
THE:MILKMAN said:
I think myself and many here have shared our frustration with the drip feeding Sony have been doing and I for one would criticise them just the same if they put a stream out like we saw today. I would hope they don't plan doing anything similar.

Also the issue was never with the games or their devs but almost entirely with how Microsoft pitched it beforehand. Even Albert Penello and the RDX crew have called this out to put this in perspective.
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I think Sony would have (or will) focus on showing the PS5 box, maybe some unannounced console/OS/PSN feature (PS Now and Remote play improvements? Crossgen games will feature optional PS4Pro-like free improvement patches or are we going to have BC for almost all games and cross buy for a few games?) and then announce next gen only games, mostly published by Sony and top publishers and devs being at least one or two of them from top IPs.

Pretty different than to show some multi crossgen games where an AC teaser is the biggest game.
 
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alabtrosMyster said:
It's on them to show us the benefits of that 12.28TF + SSD + whatever. Even here, we are the hardcore, audience, people want to ave a reason to buy the new machines to spend every single dollar of extra income we have on it, we want to hype our friends about the new generation of games, etc.

And as I have said many times over, it will be pretty hard to move people away from their PS4s with the same games running at 4K/60fps + some ray tracing sometimes + faster loading times and gamepass (especially when PSNow is a better "deal" that they can access now).

Unless you use the SSD in some manner, the graphical bump will be similar to what you get on PCs with a geforce 2080ti, really nice... but this is not like the game looked overwhelmingly different. The last time we had a console generation we did not only gain benefits from higher resolution and framerate new rendering techniques that gave games a completely new feel were enabled, ou can see it in Sony's ports of PS3 games to the PS4 (TLoU, Uncharted) these games run better, but they still look like PS3 games, nothing close to even day 1 releases like Killzone:SF on the PS4. So if the arguments are not made well enough these consoles will only ever get to run PS4/XB1 compatible games in enhanced mode, like the PRO consoles do now, only more.


I bet they only changed the graphics setting s to match higher PC equivalent settings and build target to Xbox series X at build time and then you have something similar to the benefits offered by the X over the base version--if the X was the base console.

What is not clear is what happens if you pop your existing Xbox one game in a series X machine. Is the new machine really backward compatible? Or is it not? If it really is backward compatible you should be able to play the not enhanced version anyway.
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This is exactly how I feel. At the end of the day the thing that matters the most is next gen gameplay, graphics and other innovations. It's a bit absurd that they put out such a terrible bunch of videos that show nothing of what the hardware can do. None of those were present.
 
alabtrosMyster said:
It's on them to show us the benefits of that 12.28TF + SSD + whatever. Even here, we are the hardcore, audience, people want to ave a reason to buy the new machines to spend every single dollar of extra income we have on it, we want to hype our friends about the new generation of games, etc.
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Speak for yourself. I'd buy a new machine even if in the inside is a Spectrum ZX.

On a more serious note, technology in videogames is becoming a commodity. Meaning that one product is difficult to distinguish from the other and is being sold based on brand and gimmicks. Take as an example the iPhone, you can't remember the last model that was slow. But people don't buy them for the CPU, they buy them for the camera and the screen.

Also let's not forget what Pachter said at the end of the PS3 generation, when consoles were supposed to be dead:
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Clintizzle said:
Let me say this. Those who are happy with just a simple logo reveal and a picture of a controller have no right to criticize the amount of games we saw. Yes the games are not for everyone but it beats the shit out of a logo and a controller.

just my opinion :)
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Maybe they are busy playing FFVIIR, will get TLOU2 and Tsushima soon after completing it. So aren't worried about being hyped with games right now.

King Harkinian said:
Why not? Seems to work. Drop few infos. and let the internet do the rest. I agree that they should have shown something in april. But maybe theyre opting for a every 2 month new news strategy;

Logo Jan.
Controller March?
<___> something in May?
Wouldnt it be funny, if all the showed in may was the (retail) box of the PS5.
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I think in May they will focus on the console form factor, details and its experience:
-How the console looks and how to play there feels (showing the OS loading a game super fast)
-Showcase new OS or PSN features (possibly PS Now and Remote Play improvement plans, how the Create stuff works, etc)
-Show a launch window 1st party AAA game (Horizon 2? Spiderman 2? Bluepoint game?) to showcase next gen visuals and explain features (3D audio, adaptative triggers, haptic feedback).
-Show a great looking PS4 exclusive game (like God of War) running on PS5 to explain that over 4000 PS4 games (almost everything) will be playable on PS5 and at least some of them with improvements (native 4K @60fps, RT and alsmost no loading screens).
-At the end announce tech focused teardown video for the next day and tease with some logos a June online event focused on showcasing gameplay demos of launch window next gen only games from Sony (several, big and small), Capcom (Resident Evil 8), Namco Bandai (Tekken 8? Ridge Racer 9?), Square Enix (some big ass IP) and EA (Battlefield) and a couple big indies like the next Jonathan Blow game.
 
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