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[Roronoa Zoro]

Let me say this. Those who are happy with just a simple logo reveal and a picture of a controller have no right to criticize the amount of games we saw. Yes the games are not for everyone but it beats the shit out of a logo and a controller.

just my opinion

It's not like they're just gonna release a controller and a logo. Better to actually make an event meaningful rather than just keep throwing them out there to stay in the news

 

[Sinthor]

I thought many people like the DualSense.

Liking the controller and what we know of it is a completely different thing from 'being happy' with information SOLELY about a controller along with the logo! Common sense.

 

[M-V2]

Let me say this. Those who are happy with just a simple logo reveal and a picture of a controller have no right to criticize the amount of games we saw. Yes the games are not for everyone but it beats the shit out of a logo and a controller.

just my opinion

And you're here trying to say people shouldn't criticize a shit show by deflecting the conversation about Sony. We criticize it because we're gamers, and asking why we give a pass to Sony (although at least in this thread many people don't like Sony being silent) BUT let me tell you that Sony has 2 bangers (tlou part ll, ghost of tsushima) they still investing in this gen while on MS side they already moved on since they have nothing to offer this gen.

I don't understand the logic behind "if MS dropped the ball let us deflect the conversation about Sony"

This show about MS not Sony and unfortunately it was bad. Thanks!

 

[Sinthor]

Let me say this. Those who are happy with just a simple logo reveal and a picture of a controller have no right to criticize the amount of games we saw. Yes the games are not for everyone but it beats the shit out of a logo and a controller.

just my opinion

Doesn't matter what people are happy with- their opinions are their opinions. I think the demo's looked good, I just want to see more of next gen actual gameplay, etc. I think that's where most people are really and that's driving the "criticism" of the event today, that's all. But I think we'll all start getting our fill of that towards the end of this month and going into June. Hopefully! People also can't discount just how much Covid-19 has royally fucked things up.

Seriously people...we may have a summer of food shortages and other things. The ripple effect in the global economy is just STARTING to be felt. Hopefully it won't be that big of a deal, but it does have the potential to make all of us forget about video games. Hopefully not.

 

[Audiophile]

Neither TLOUII or GOT look next-gen to me, but the absoulte pinnacle of current gen.

You'll know [AAA] next-gen [only] when you see it..

 

[rntongo]

Xbone 1.3 TFLOPS machine is hindering NEXT-GEN. MSFT should completely cut it off and use Xbone X 6 TFLOPS as its base for game development.

KILL Xbone 1.3 TFLOP machine MSFT PLEASE.

This plus they should limit the amount of support for last gen. Why invest so much into BC only to keep developing two versions of a game?? The only games I remember being available cross gens between ps2 and ps1 were fifa games.

 

[rntongo]

Speak for yourself. I'd buy a new machine even if in the inside is a Spectrum ZX.

On a more serious note, technology in videogames is becoming a commodity. Meaning that one product is difficult to distinguish from the other and is being sold based on brand and gimmicks. Take as an example the iPhone, you can't remember the last model that was slow. But people don't buy them for the CPU, they buy them for the camera and the screen.

Also let's not forget what Pachter said at the end of the PS3 generation, when consoles were supposed to be dead:

Trying running Crysis 3 with that spectrum zx.

 

[rntongo]

And you're here trying to say people shouldn't criticize a shit show by deflecting the conversation about Sony. We criticize it because we're gamers, and asking why we give a pass to Sony (although at least in this thread many people don't like Sony being silent) BUT let me tell you that Sony has 2 bangers (tlou part ll, ghost of tsushima) they still investing in this gen while on MS side they already moved on since they have nothing to offer this gen.

I don't understand the logic behind "if MS dropped the ball let us deflect the conversation about Sony"

This show about MS not Sony and unfortunately it was bad. Thanks!

Thank you. No need to deflect when one company does a terrible job.

 

[skneogaf]

I think all multiplats next gen will use S version as the base console sadly. It will be unfair if a person on S is playing at 30fps against someone online on X at 60fps. There will be parity for console I think. Only resolution will be different. If they have some headroom RT can make up for it accordingly.

Theres already an online game that goes against your thoughts.

Forza horizon 4 on xbox one s is 30fps

Forza horizon 4 on xbox one x can be 30fps or 60 fps.

Definitely advantage to play on xbox one x.

 

[Three Jackdaws]

Just mirroring what BGs said, it's interesting to think Sony are waiting for Microsoft to empty all their clip so they could then kick off their marketing campaign especially with first-party gameplay demos and much more. They also gain much more mindshare because people will tend to focus on the trends and Microsoft would have already blown their load by then and there is only so much they can counter Sony with marketing wise especially around August and September.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Speak for yourself. I'd buy a new machine even if in the inside is a Spectrum ZX.

On a more serious note, technology in videogames is becoming a commodity. Meaning that one product is difficult to distinguish from the other and is being sold based on brand and gimmicks. Take as an example the iPhone, you can't remember the last model that was slow. But people don't buy them for the CPU, they buy them for the camera and the screen.

Also let's not forget what Pachter said at the end of the PS3 generation, when consoles were supposed to be dead:

What's the gimmick? I see the gimmicks when I see the Switch, the Wii U, etc.

Those consoles (Sony/MS) are more like, well your phone example doesn't hold, people need some reason to upgrade their console, a benefit of some sort... not just "it's time to change your console"... Especially given that MS is the incombent, they need to pull people into their ecosystem, if people are more impressed by the last gen game trailer released the day before your big blow up next-gen gameplay event, you have a problem.

Maybe with 20/20 in the name they were telling us something, like you really need to pay attention for any benefit, because they're hidden so well that you will think: Wow, I never had a console generation where I could not see the difference between generations!

That reminds me of the SuperGrafX (and upgrade to the TG-16 released only in Japan)... overpriced, too little benefits.

If people just bought new consoles for reasons, everybody would have gotten the pro consoles by now, those who had Wiis would have bought Wii Us (or PS4/xbone) when they were given the chance.

But hey, this is typical MS thinking, we make it, we make windows, people buy windows, they'll buy whatever we sell.

 

[WhispersintheWind]

Just mirroring what BGs said, it's interesting to think Sony are waiting for Microsoft to empty all their clip so they could then kick off their marketing campaign especially with first-party gameplay demos and much more. They also gain much more mindshare because people will tend to focus on the trends and Microsoft would have already blown their load by then and there is only so much they can counter Sony with marketing wise especially around August and September.

It is a smart move marketing wise to drop your bombs as close to launch. People can argue Sony PS5 has a bigger brand worldwide. So starting the hype machine closer to launch would benefit them.

Microsoft is also making some what a smart move. Slowly giving out updates every month. Trying to build a new foundation for the Xbox Brand. I also believe Microsoft is very confident in what they are doing. Also with Covid 19 and more people at home people are getting Microsoft's messages.

The X factor to both Marketing plans and which is right comes down to luck. Microsoft is gambling Sony's PS5 will be in very short supply for the first 6 months. That both consoles will be around the same price. Sony's hoping it brand power will carry over. Also hoping Covid 19 doesn't hurt it's production more. While the Hype Train starting right before launch drives demand. So even during a shortage PS5 will be the most wanted and sought after.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Let me say this. Those who are happy with just a simple logo reveal and a picture of a controller have no right to criticize the amount of games we saw. Yes the games are not for everyone but it beats the shit out of a logo and a controller.

you are right, I will get a series x day one, sorry for doubting MS.

 

[rntongo]

Just mirroring what BGs said, it's interesting to think Sony are waiting for Microsoft to empty all their clip so they could then kick off their marketing campaign especially with first-party gameplay demos and much more. They also gain much more mindshare because people will tend to focus on the trends and Microsoft would have already blown their load by then and there is only so much they can counter Sony with marketing wise especially around August and September.

Microsoft had this in the bag since last December. Incredible CPU, GPU, blazingly fast SSD, revealing information ahead. They had built crazy momentum. But after today, it's clear that their strategy to support Xbox One, Xbox One X, Xbox Series S and all PCs is going to give Sony a huge advantage. Consoles are dedicated gaming machines and producing next gen gaming experiences is what matters the most. The PS5 with it's monstrous CPU, SSD and fairly good GPU could significantly outperform the XSX. Developers will get a head start figuring out how to full utilize the PS5.

 

[B_Boss]

Well, at least its a Full super Moon today, That will get us through this.

Or make some of us lunatics .

 

[whoever81]

Speak for yourself. I'd buy a new machine even if in the inside is a Spectrum ZX.

On a more serious note, technology in videogames is becoming a commodity. Meaning that one product is difficult to distinguish from the other and is being sold based on brand and gimmicks. Take as an example the iPhone, you can't remember the last model that was slow. But people don't buy them for the CPU, they buy them for the camera and the screen.

Also let's not forget what Pachter said at the end of the PS3 generation, when consoles were supposed to be dead:

"Technology in videogames is becoming a commodity." What does that even mean? I can still pretty easily distinguish between products. And no, people don't buy new iPhones for the camera and the screen. Indeed far from it. I actually just bought one for the cpu and the small size. So as you aptly said...Speak for yourself.

 

[rntongo]

"Technology in videogames is becoming a commodity." What does that even mean? I can still pretty easily distinguish between products. And no, people don't buy new iPhones just for the camera and the screen. I actually just bought one for the cpu and the small size. So as you said...Speak for yourself.

His analogy is confusing. How do you compare a general purpose computing device that has an annual iteration to a dedicated gaming machine released every 6-7 years.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Let me say this. Those who are happy with just a simple logo reveal and a picture of a controller have no right to criticize the amount of games we saw. Yes the games are not for everyone but it beats the shit out of a logo and a controller.

just my opinion

Thy have every right to criticize specially with all tht hype since those games are almost all multiplats, free game exposure even for psv. Only true next gen gameplay we've seen so far is Godfall and that was months ago and tht was also criticized by the peanut gallery, although nothing but bs cutscenes was shown from the competitor and not even game play.

That lack luster third party game presentation did not beat Sony's controller reveal smfh which looks to be the best console controller by far and is bringing new things to the table as usual From Sony. Stop it bro it's not convincing.

And Ascend I see you bro neutral gamer indeed

 

[Clintizzle]

I think it's what that logo and controller represent that gets people excited in my opinion. With that brand people are pretty confident with the software that they will get and for good reason.

The logo and controller reveal generated more legitimate hype than all of these amateur hour games combined. MS Should have came out swords swinging with First Party heavy hitters. Changed the "Xbox has no good exclusives" narrative. Instead, they showed fucking whatever they did. They could have gone for the momentum juggular today with a good showing. What if Sony's event is in May, and they have even a single AAA Exclusive game with actual next gen graphics. All that good will MS built up would go to waste.

The show was shit.

Maybe they are busy playing FFVIIR, will get TLOU2 and Tsushima soon after completing it. So aren't worried about being hyped with games right now.

It's not like they're just gonna release a controller and a logo. Better to actually make an event meaningful rather than just keep throwing them out there to stay in the news

And you're here trying to say people shouldn't criticize a shit show by deflecting the conversation about Sony. We criticize it because we're gamers, and asking why we give a pass to Sony (although at least in this thread many people don't like Sony being silent) BUT let me tell you that Sony has 2 bangers (tlou part ll, ghost of tsushima) they still investing in this gen while on MS side they already moved on since they have nothing to offer this gen.

I don't understand the logic behind "if MS dropped the ball let us deflect the conversation about Sony"

This show about MS not Sony and unfortunately it was bad. Thanks!

you are right, I will get a series x day one, sorry for doubting MS.

Thy have every right to criticize specially since those games are almost all multiplats, free game exposure even for psv. Only true gameplay we've seen so far is Godfall and that was months ago tht was also criticized by the peanut gallery although nothing but bs cutscenes was shown fir the competitor and not even game play.

That lack luster mp game presentation did not beat Sony controller reveal smfh which looks to be the best console controller by far and is bringing new things to the table as usual FROM Sony. Stop it bro it's not convincing.

And Ascend I see you bro neutral gamer indeed

Lol I forgot how triggered NeoGaf can get.

I'm sorry guys I forgot that in this relm the Contollers and Logos are whats most important.

I think its shitty to downplay what some of these indie devs are working on as trash. There some very good games on show but I guess most of you only want to see exclusive AA game only.

I will go discuss the games in other forums where discussion is civil and doesn't build down to "BuT ThEy HAvE MoRE LiKEs oN InSTAgRAm AnD THE MEaninG BeHInD thE LoGO is VeRy SeNTiMEntal sLoLOL AaA GamES ARe THe OnLY GaMeS WORth TAlKinG AboUT"

 

[Metroiddarks]

This is what we expected. If Cinematic footage it should at least be this good.

What we got was honestly terrible:

Meanwhile in some discord chat:

 

[rntongo]

Lol I forgot how triggered NeoGaf can get.

I'm sorry guys I forgot that in this relm the Contollers and Logos are whats most important.

I think its shitty to downplay what some of these indie devs are working on as trash. There some very good games on show but I guess most of you only want to see exclusive AA game only.

I will go discuss the games in other forums where discussion is civil and doesn't build down to "BuT ThEy HAvE MoRE LiKEs oN InSTAgRAm AnD THE MEaninG BeHInD thE LoGO is VeRy SeNTiMEntal sLoLOL AaA GamES ARe THe OnLY GaMeS WORth TAlKinG AboUT"

Dude, what has MSFT bombing and telling people it's a next gen gameplay showcase when its not got to do with Sony releasing a logo? FYI a lot of people just want to call a spade a spade.

Did you see all the marketing people in the video talk about how they were showing us next gen gaming and a lot of other untruths?

The truth is the presentation was misleading and could have been done better

 

[Metroiddarks]

Let me say this. Those who are happy with just a simple logo reveal and a picture of a controller have no right to criticize the amount of games we saw. Yes the games are not for everyone but it beats the shit out of a logo and a controller.

just my opinion

Your opinion is a strawman fallacy

 

[jasondefaoite]

I'm sorry guys I forgot that in this relm the Contollers and Logos are whats most important.

I think its shitty to downplay what some of these indie devs are working on as trash. There some very good games on show but I guess most of you only want to see exclusive AA game only.

Did Sony message the day before the reveal of the controller to say tomorrow gaming will change forever?

Did those indie games change gaming forever?

The reason all wanted to see exclusive AAA games was ... it was going to change gaming ... forever.

MS fucked this up big time.

 

[rntongo]

It's crazy how much of a headstart MSFT had coming into this gen. They had the final design of the console last December with engineers taking them home and Sony hasn't even released what their machine looks like. They most likely had devkits out earlier as well. They should have had new IP exclusives at launch that define the new generation. And more exclusives throught 2021. With SSDs there is a larger argument to focus on next gen experiences rather than sticking to the old.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Lol I forgot how triggered NeoGaf can get.

I'm sorry guys I forgot that in this relm the Contollers and Logos are whats most important.

I think its shitty to downplay what some of these indie devs are working on as trash. There some very good games on show but I guess most of you only want to see exclusive AA game only.

I will go discuss the games in other forums where discussion is civil and doesn't build down to "BuT ThEy HAvE MoRE LiKEs oN InSTAgRAm AnD THE MEaninG BeHInD thE LoGO is VeRy SeNTiMEntal sLoLOL AaA GamES ARe THe OnLY GaMeS WORth TAlKinG AboUT"

Yeah because every one has to agree with your frivolous, damage control comment. You made a comment ppl didn't agree with and got responses. I know you were trying to be edgy and it's cool but stay edgy all the way through

Don't cry now, own it and hold it down. We don't all have to agree.

 

[farmerboy]

Did Sony message the day before the reveal of the controller to say tomorrow gaming will change forever?

Did those indie games change gaming forever?

The reason all wanted to see exclusive AAA games was ... it was going to change gaming ... forever.

MS fucked this up big time.

More like stumbled, ever so slightly. MS will have plenty to show later on, they just like showing a continual drip feed at the moment. That means they would inevitably show some B and C grade stuff.

In saying that, was disappointed I didn't see something I could really sink my teeth into.

And the waiting game continues.....

 

[Clintizzle]

More like stumbled, ever so slightly. MS will have plenty to show later on, they just like showing a continual drip feed at the moment. That means they would inevitably show some B and C grade stuff.

In saying that, was disappointed I didn't see something I could really sink my teeth into.

And the waiting game continues.....

I think most people think this was Microsofts main showing lol. It wasn't.

The dude at the start of the show said their 1st party is going to have a dedicated show in July. Sony's rumored show in June and Microsofts one in July are going to be mega.

 

[Rusco Da Vino]

Just passing on what I was told.

Man, I have asked you if you had sent this "conversation" to the mods to get it vetted, like you did the last time, but you did not reply.

Mod of War did not confirm that you have sent him anything about what you posted today.

We dont now who you are, my friend, it is normal that a lot of users do not believe what you say after the insider fiasco.

Best thing you could do is to send the mods what you have so we can get confirmation that this second conversation is real.

Dont take this too personal.

 

[saintjules]

 

[Uzupedro]

Guys, I don't think there's much more to discuss, MS itself (Yes, in this case it's Aaron, but he's the head of marketing, he speaks for the company) admitted the mistake with regard to the fact that they created many expectations for a simple presentation. Let's hope the next ones are better.

 

[Neo_game]

The 6 priority levels in the controller are definitely an advantage over competing systems but that's a whole different argument. SSDs have highly custom controllers and the XSX SSD controller should have some features not present in the PS5's.

The biggest difference is going to come from the higher throughput, on the PS5 and not any of these other things. But eliminating bottlenecks between the SSD and game code is more important than say the 6 priority levels. It doesn't matter how fast your SSD is, or how custom the controller is, if it can't load and stream assets faster into RAM.

PS5 can't load and stream asserts faster into RAM ? There should be no concern regarding this based on the GDC presentation. Also SSD controller in XSX to have some features not present in the PS5's. ? Are you suggestion some secret sauce ? Not sure where you are getting this info from.

Theres already an online game that goes against your thoughts.

Forza horizon 4 on xbox one s is 30fps

Forza horizon 4 on xbox one x can be 30fps or 60 fps.

Definitely advantage to play on xbox one x.

One of the advantage of console gaming in level playing field for all players. I guess that is the reason why people do not want to play with PC gamers online. I am not sure this is good thing to do.

 

[Lunatic_Gamer]

List of current third party studios working on XSX games

Can't wait to see some proper next-gen gameplay footage. Today wasn't it.

 

[sircaw]

List of current third party studios working on XSX games

Can't wait to see some proper next-gen gameplay footage. Today wasn't it.

Is that Humble bundle in the centre?
Do they make games?

 

[Shmunter]

I think most people think this was Microsofts main showing lol. It wasn't.

The dude at the start of the show said their 1st party is going to have a dedicated show in July. Sony's rumored show in June and Microsofts one in July are going to be mega.

Definitely not. But this is a huge blunder that casts shade on next gen as a whole. Who can honestly say that anything here looks better than REAL gameplay from end of gen PS4 title's, Ghosts & Last Of Us 2 Nope.

Makes me curious if Sony is in a similar debacle where anything they can present right now will not live up to the hype with the benchmark they themselves set. We've seen the reactions to that Dark Souls clone doing the rounds.

Next...,

 

[Gediminas]

It is a smart move marketing wise to drop your bombs as close to launch. People can argue Sony PS5 has a bigger brand worldwide. So starting the hype machine closer to launch would benefit them.

Microsoft is also making some what a smart move. Slowly giving out updates every month. Trying to build a new foundation for the Xbox Brand. I also believe Microsoft is very confident in what they are doing. Also with Covid 19 and more people at home people are getting Microsoft's messages.

The X factor to both Marketing plans and which is right comes down to luck. Microsoft is gambling Sony's PS5 will be in very short supply for the first 6 months. That both consoles will be around the same price. Sony's hoping it brand power will carry over. Also hoping Covid 19 doesn't hurt it's production more. While the Hype Train starting right before launch drives demand. So even during a shortage PS5 will be the most wanted and sought after.

can you write more these kind of cliche? barely.

 

[rntongo]

PS5 can't load and stream asserts faster into RAM ? There should be no concern regarding this based on the GDC presentation. Also SSD controller in XSX to have some features not present in the PS5's. ? Are you suggestion some secret sauce ? Not sure where you

I was saying that generally it doesn't matter how good your SSD is or how custom the controller is if it doesn't eliminate bottlenecks between the SSD and the game code. That's why the XSX and PS5 will have such incredible throughput. But at the same time from what I've read the SSD controllers are highly custom processors and manufactures don't reveal much about how they work. We know more about the XSX SSD controller at the moment but it will most likely be a custom variant of the E19T Phison controller. At the same time it would make sense that the PS5 SSD has a more advanced controller and I've read on reddit suggestions that it uses the e12 or e16 again from phison.

 

[Kazekage1981]

Guys, I don't think there's much more to discuss, MS itself (Yes, in this case it's Aaron, but he's the head of marketing, he speaks for the company) admitted the mistake with regard to the fact that they created many expectations for a simple presentation. Let's hope the next ones are better.

They even admit fault. I forgive you MSFT. Show me how XsX truly shines in the upcoming months before launch, that's all I (and safe to assume most gamers) want.

 

[Clintizzle]

Definitely not. But this is a huge blunder that casts shade on next gen as a whole. Who can honestly say that anything here looks better than REAL gameplay from end of gen PS4 title's, Ghosts & Last Of Us 2 Nope.

Makes me curious if Sony is in a similar debacle where anything they can present right now will not live up to the hype with the benchmark they themselves set. We've seen the reactions to that Dark Souls clone doing the rounds.

Next...,

A little unfair comparing Sony 1st party devs (who are wizards) to these smaller devs

 

[Kazekage1981]

A little unfair comparing Sony 1st party devs (who are wizards) to these smaller devs

I agree, dont you guys think that its pretty amazing that 1 guy by himself can create a 1st person shooter?

 

[Shmunter]

A little unfair comparing Sony 1st party devs (who are wizards) to these smaller devs

If it were apples to apples gen wise. The expectations were clearly to experience tantalising XsX next gen games. Fail, you feel me?

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

A little unfair comparing Sony 1st party devs (who are wizards) to these smaller devs

They're not wizards. They have plenty of time and tons of cash. Sony knows how important their first party offerings are. Nintendo does, too. A certain other company doesn't seem as focused.

 

[Kazekage1981]

Yeah because every one has to agree with your frivolous, damage control comment. You made a comment ppl didn't agree with and got responses. I know you were trying to be edgy and it's cool but stay edgy all the way through

Don't cry now, own it and hold it down. We don't all have to agree.

Lets say the reveal was Sony's. Would you give the same response? I gave this reveal a D, it was lackluster to mediocre, but appreciating indie development support even if it were from Sony. Willing to give these games a try (especially with gamepass subscription) to form a better opinion than an impression mostly on in-game asset cinematic reveal. I understood fully BEFOREHAND that this was not a Triple AAA first party 2-4 year long development cycle multimillion dollar ultimate megaton reveal.

 

[Radical_3d]

"Technology in videogames is becoming a commodity." What does that even mean? I can still pretty easily distinguish between products. And no, people don't buy new iPhones for the camera and the screen. Indeed far from it. I actually just bought one for the cpu and the small size. So as you aptly said...Speak for yourself.

Then you are in a minority of the iPhone buyers, just as I am. Don't believe the average Joe is a nut gaffer. And if you can easily distinguish between tech products in videogames you are in a minority too. Most of the people can't see the difference between the PSPro and the X. And I'm gonna go blind trying to see the difference between the X and the PC version of Gears. And those are side by side comparisons.

That, my friend gaffer, is a commodity.

 

[Kazekage1981]

If it were apples to apples gen wise. The expectations were clearly to experience tantalising XsX next gen games. Fail, you feel me?

They're not wizards. They have plenty of time and tons of cash. Sony knows how important their first party offerings are. Nintendo does, too. A certain other company doesn't seem as focused.

Will PS5 First Party Exclusives such as Gran Turismo Sport 2/ Gran Turismo 7, Uncharted 5, Horizon 2, and whatever else be shackeled by PS4 as well? MSFT seems to be have restructured and prioritized its first party studios, and games of a high caliber has yet to be revealed but my fear is that its being handcuffed due to Xbone from 2013

 

[Shmunter]

Will PS5 First Party Exclusives such as Gran Turismo Sport 2/ Gran Turismo 7, Uncharted 5, Horizon 2, and whatever else be shackeled by PS4 as well? MSFT seems to be have restructured and prioritized its first party studios, and games of a high caliber has yet to be revealed but my fear is that its being handcuffed due to Xbone from 2013

Sony won't be announcing any more PS4 games. It's all PS5 from here for them. It would suck to be proven wrong, but I'm quite confident.

 

[WhispersintheWind]

Man, I have asked you if you had sent this "conversation" to the mods to get it vetted, like you did the last time, but you did not reply.

Mod of War did not confirm that you have sent him anything about what you posted today.

We dont now who you are, my friend, it is normal that a lot of users do not believe what you say after the insider fiasco.

Best thing you could do is to send the mods what you have so we can get confirmatiom that this second conversation is real.

Dont take this too personal.

I would 100% do that if this conversation was over text. Unfortunately this one was over FaceTime.

Look I understand how the internet works and people who seek attention and lie for clout. I'm not one of those people. I can only pass on what I'm told or hear.

 

[WhispersintheWind]

can you write more these kind of cliche? barely.

What do you mean by that?

 

[Radical_3d]

Will PS5 First Party Exclusives such as Gran Turismo Sport 2/ Gran Turismo 7, Uncharted 5, Horizon 2, and whatever else be shackeled by PS4 as well? MSFT seems to be have restructured and prioritized its first party studios, and games of a high caliber has yet to be revealed but my fear is that its being handcuffed due to Xbone from 2013

MS has the budget and time to make proper next gen versions as well as one running in the old One. I wouldn't worry about that. What I think is holding first party quality back in MS is the whole "day one on Game Pass" thing. Maybe it'll change over time.

 

[Ptarmiganx2]

I didn't steer anything in any direction.
Read what you quoted again.

"Most games"
"Won't look MUCH better than"
"Late in the previous gen PC Games."

You are over-reacting and showing the only outliers that actually have a "leap" in graphics. The majority of games do not have a "leap" over what is being done in PC gaming late in a previous console generation. My statement leaves room for most games looking BETTER than what is being done on PC before a gen starts.. just not much. "Leaps" are few and far between and mostly towards the end of a generation, or to be frank, come from Sony first party.

You are the one steering this in a direction; I never said differences weren't noticeable.. nor was I comparing 2 generations.. like WTF? I'm comparing PC GAMES late in a generation (think 2012/2013) to CONSOLE GAMES of the next generation. MOST GAMES this gen are not huge leaps graphically over what PC was doing in 2012/2013.

And this isn't a platform war post; I like consoles and PC... but most games in general across all platforms aren't graphical showcases if we are being honest. I'm talking about the best of what is being done on PC vs. "most console games." Not intended to be a fair comparison, but also not a "platform war post."

Most games next gen are not going to be leaps above Control w/ RTX on high end PC hardware of 2019.

Until Sony shows their first party games.

 

[Clintizzle]

If it were apples to apples gen wise. The expectations were clearly to experience tantalising XsX next gen games. Fail, you feel me?

They're not wizards. They have plenty of time and tons of cash. Sony knows how important their first party offerings are. Nintendo does, too. A certain other company doesn't seem as focused.

This was not a 1st party showcase. The 1st Party showcase from MS is in July. Microsoft said this themselves.

Stop being silly.