Hold on. If this engine ties a triangle to every pixel, and ps5 can in theory process more triangles, would that allow ps5 to run at a higher resolution provided there are no other bottlenecks?
I would recommend tempering wild expectations like this until we know more and are seeing more gameplay demos, etc. Because what makes you think this UE5 engine didn't incorporate something exactly like that? Besides, you're talking about compressed assets and in this demo they clearly said these were direct imports. Not compressed textures. Textures will likely always be inferior to what was shown in UE5 today. I wouldn't pin my hopes on some magical silicon feature that you have to count on an extremely experienced hardware and console designing company just to have somehow whiffed on.
The WCG article is still up
Unreal Engine 5 footage ran at 1440p 30 FPS on PS5, featured no ray tracing
Today, Epic Games showed off a demo for its next-gen gaming engine, UE5.www.windowscentral.com
I dunno why they deleted the tweet but that isn't proof of anything. No idea why people are running with that.
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If you believe Sony doesn't also have something like SFS or indeed the same thing, I have some land I'd like to sell you.
I remember clouds over a chemical factory back at communist times. They were beautifully red and it wasn't global illumination. But they were parallax scrolling before my eyes.
You realize it's still a compressed video? I'd hold my judgement as to sub-pixel level of detail till you can see it live or at least from a loseless source.
They can upgrade the engine on the way, that's of course possible. They can't just throw out all the assets prepared for a totally different paradigm of game creation. I think that cross-gen vs next-gen will be visible from a mile. We're talking about what Xbox showed last week and what we saw yesterday. I bet people at Ubisoft are crunching now like there's no tomorrow. Imagine two games are released and they differ THIS MUCH in terms of image fidelity. Both are $60. Guess what happens.
Another Tim and his dog, you just wait.
Many empires have been built on drug dealing and prostitution.
I have good news for you. I played FF7R on an SSD and doors were okay.
I've just realized that Lockhart makes no sense at all, I mean from a technical point of view, marketing is a totally different thing.
Mirror reflections will still be blurry and low-detail. Of course there also ways to fake them but we have to wait and see what devs come up with.
I think their choice of resolution wasn't dictated by hardware power. It was a conscious choice of the mixture of techniques that provide the best IQ on screen. They could've easily gone 4K with less detail visible on screen but it'd probably look worse. I think the same applies to 30 vs 60 FPS. Of course there will be games in which 60 FPS is just crucial but look what format they've chosen for their presentation: a third-person view. Those generally perform very well in 30 FPS due to limited camera movement and speed (you generally stay in the back hemisphere of the screen and joypad movement isn't as fast as quick mouse turns). Did the 30 FPS flyby lack fluidity? I didn't notice that at all because animation was perfectly smooth, there was no pop-in, draw distance was phenomenal and I'm sure the whole image was heavily post-processed (motion blur, radial blur, etc.) Turn that into an FPS and you'd want 60 FPS. Turn that into VR and you'll get a terrible headache. But the beauty of this tech is that you can just choose what you need: higher res fixed, framerate fixed, more detail, more effects - now those become sliders in your engine UI. No painful rework of assets, months of time saved on optimization. We will see vast, detailed worlds and they will just get better every year as long as devs come up with new ways to feed the GPU with data. New tricks will be devised and this time it will be much faster."PS5 will have a huge advantage in detail, even if the resulting image is lower resolution than XSX"
That is wonderful, and I know I am failing to understand this, but isn't this where Variable Rate Shading/Mesh Shaders come in because how can you make the demo that we just saw run at 4k at 60fps assuming that PlayStation has something similar to MSFT VRS/MS?
The billions of triangles and level of detail is something that is NOT taxing on the CPU/GPU? When you are from a distance, or passing by stuff quickly why put all those billions of triangles and level of detail there in the first place? Is this where streaming when needed comes in?
I dont understand
Let me guess, that magic ability to compress all kind of data loselessly and on the fly comes from the power brick?
If they needed to hide loading, the demo would just freeze at the first frame. That cave had more polygons on screen than the entire PS1 library of games combined, think about that for a moment.
They both run on electricity so they are equal!
It's like if Sony shows something amazing xbox is like we got games too. and ours are better
True, it's not everybody though but there are some people that are truly against Sony no matter what they show. The PS5 SSD is going to change gaming as we know it.
blog.us.playstation.com
How's he not permbanned yet saying crap like that?Sorry bud, its all been exposed already.
I suggest you come back with an alt if you want anyone to engage you in a serious manner.
Often missed in current discussions is Sweeney and team making references to PS5 SSD I/O latency breakthroughs. This could be a bigger deal then we are yet able to understand.
I remember a few months ago FoxyGames tweeted that he heard from his source that Aloy’s character in HZD sequel will have more polygons than the entire number of characters/creatures/monsters put together from the previous game. I don’t know how accurate or true Foxy’s source is but it’s starting to sound very plausible ever since the UE5 tech demo.That’s where things get interesting. From my understanding XSX would have more pixels as pixels are directly related to the resolution output and with more GPU flops = more pixels BUT PS5 would have more triangles attributed to those pixels.
Triangles are also known as polygons and below is what was used for Kratos face.
The Polygonal Evolution of 5 Iconic PlayStation Characters
From Kratos’ stoic face to the fearsome Rathalos, developers discuss how the PS4 has unlocked new levels of detail.
Meanwhile random statue in Unreal 5 demo:
33,000,000
The statue is also placed 500 times in a single room totalling to roughly 16,000,000,000.
I think it’s safe to say this is the biggest technical jump in console history.
The best thing is that it's not a scaled difference this time, you can forget about polygons. What happens next is, I guess, departure from traditional 3D models in favour of fractal-based geometry (at least for environments, it won't work for characters). This means infinite zooming as long as you want, just like going into a Mandelbrot fractal.That’s where things get interesting. From my understanding XSX would have more pixels as pixels are directly related to the resolution output and with more GPU flops = more pixels BUT PS5 would have more triangles attributed to those pixels.
Triangles are also known as polygons and below is what was used for Kratos face.
The Polygonal Evolution of 5 Iconic PlayStation Characters
From Kratos’ stoic face to the fearsome Rathalos, developers discuss how the PS4 has unlocked new levels of detail.
Meanwhile random statue in Unreal 5 demo:
33,000,000
The statue is also placed 500 times in a single room totalling to roughly 16,000,000,000.
I think it’s safe to say this is the biggest technical jump in console history.
As someone already pointed out, I think they wanted to zoom up some textures to show tesselation and DoF. I noticed that DoF was awesome.
Aaron is smarter than Tim, he receive a payment for say XSX is the best thing ever happen to the humanity.
. someone explain it to Lisa Su who will be lost hahahahaha
I agree. Keep Alex boxed in PC land where he belongs, and where I can easily avoid him.
i think we still need RT for reflections, but for lighting? not really. global illumination is global illumination, doesnt matter what technique is rendering it. i suspect RT based GI will be more accurate but i doubt you will be able to see the difference.
i suspect they will turn down the detail on xbox series x while turning up the resolution.
Possibly, but other factors such as fillrate and CU count determining other visual effects necessary, it's never cut and dry.
We need to wait until we see more tech demos from differents companies but PS5 also has Primitive Shader which is basically the same to Mesh Shaders according to Star Citizen devs."PS5 will have a huge advantage in detail, even if the resulting image is lower resolution than XSX"
That is wonderful, and I know I am failing to understand this, but isn't this where Variable Rate Shading/Mesh Shaders come in because how can you make the demo that we just saw run at 4k at 60fps assuming that PlayStation has something similar to MSFT VRS/MS?
The billions of triangles and level of detail is something that is NOT taxing on the CPU/GPU? When you are from a distance, or passing by stuff quickly why put all those billions of triangles and level of detail there in the first place? Is this where streaming when needed comes in?
I dont understand
it would appear then XsX's bottleneck would be geometry and perhaps I/O speed, while PS5's is raw compute power, for multiplats we could be seeing a happy medium where ps5 gets a small boost in detail and in XsX slighly better quality lighting... hmm.
I don't think you can turn down the detail with this concept with a res boost or you are reverting back to LODs which isn't the point of this tech.
The SFS is a good solution but first you put an extreme case, second is not like doesn't exists something similar already in PS4 'Partially Resident Textures' and probably also
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"PS5 will have a huge advantage in detail, even if the resulting image is lower resolution than XSX"
That is wonderful, and I know I am failing to understand this, but isn't this where Variable Rate Shading/Mesh Shaders come in because how can you make the demo that we just saw run at 4k at 60fps assuming that PlayStation has something similar to MSFT VRS/MS?
The billions of triangles and level of detail is something that is NOT taxing on the CPU/GPU? When you are from a distance, or passing by stuff quickly why put all those billions of triangles and level of detail there in the first place? Is this where streaming when needed comes in?
I dont understand
I suppose I can wait until the Finale to go back to Midgar
