Support NeoGAF

[Lovelygamer]

Highlights from the first test of the Auto-HDR feature on the Xbox Series X

Highlights from the first test of the Auto-HDR feature on the Xbox Series X

On October 6, the VentureBeat portal, together with blogger EvilBoris (also advises Digital Foundry), released the first test of the Auto-HDR feature on the Xbox Series X. We selected the key points from the material. Auto-HDR allows you to automatically add HDR to older games that don’t support...

nintendosmash.com

 

[Riky]

Not surprised that you see this is an excuse, you're probably very worried for the console and their users?

It's not overheating, and the heat coming from it is like a PC. So again, that's just nothing...

I'd be worried if the top wasn't getting hot, because that's where the heat is designed to be going. The whole point is to move the heat away from where it is being generated.

 

[Axonometri]

Virtual surround... Pfft, that shit sounds like tin roof.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

It's also coming out on the XSX.

Let's wait and see how it looks there first.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Virtual surround... Pfft, that shit sounds like tin roof.

I'm cautiously optimistic myself.... when speakers are half an inch from your ear you can do cool shit with tech.

 

[kyliethicc]

I felt like fixing this image with what should have been

Warhawk was so much fun

 

[kyliethicc]

Doesn't look very realistic... whats with those crowds? cmon 2K

 

[Axonometri]

I'm cautiously optimistic myself.... when speakers are half an inch from your ear you can do cool shit with tech.

I am not talking about Sony Tempest.. I was referring to the horrible virtual surround modes in TV speakers. However, to me, virtual surround in headphones can also be terribly tinny sounding due to the high level of dsp. The latest 3d object based audio however, sounds pretty impressive and fairly clean. Can not wait to try Tempest tech out. Just want it also piped out to my Atmos system.

 

[Lysandros]

Yes. it's needed in both consoles for decompression of ssd assets.

I think they were referring to the totality of the caches within the APU as 'SRAM' in XSX's case. In the PS5 diagram the SRAM in question is tied to the I/O coprocessors as a single block within the I/O complex. I doubt that XSX has something similar.

 

[Lovelygamer]

A new Nintendo Switch would arrive with NVIDIA'S DLSS 2.0

A new Nintendo Switch would arrive with NVIDIA’S DLSS 2.0

PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X have been showing for weeks what the new technology of the video game industry will look like, one that many third-party developers will use to bring their future projects to life. In this sense, it seems logical to imagine that Nintendo Switch will require sooner...

nintendosmash.com

 

[FunkMiller]

yeah, this thing was done way back in December when Phil said he took it home. Then DF and others literally picked it apart and put it back together in March. These are the final units and there is not a goddamn thing they can do to fix it other than changing the vapor chamber cooling system or changing the fans.

And lets not forget that they have only been running backward compatibility games on it that are not using the full power of the GPU or CPU. if i had to guess they are running at half power.

I also find it funny that after literally a year of rumors about the PS5 running hot, its actually the xbox series x. First it was no RT and now PS5 has more games with RT and MS is literally shipping DMCV with no RT. Then PS5 being RDNA 1.0 and then we find out the XSX GPU architecture is literally identical to the 5700xt. These guys project more than Trump.

I can't pretend I'm as bothered that I couldn't pick up a pre-order for the XSX, given the information we're getting. It probably will turn out to be nothing, but I'd like to see a clear, independent breakdown from someone about how the console operates before I spend the money. If I were to buy one, it would be in a fairly small space in my tv unit, and I don't really want something venting a ton of hot air.

 

[mancs]

supposedly the xbox

Doesn't look very realistic... whats with those crowds? cmon 2K

will the new fifa look as good on next gen??

 

[Great Hair]

Doesn't look very realistic... whats with those crowds? cmon 2K

i agree with you, the crowd is stuck and does not follow the action at all. a lowprotein crowd indeed.

 

[mancs]

cardboard cut out crowd?
i have seen way worse.... lol.
no naming shaming....

 

[IntentionalPun]

I am not talking about Sony Tempest.. I was referring to the horrible virtual surround modes in TV speakers. However, to me, virtual surround in headphones can also be terribly tinny sounding due to the high level of dsp. The latest 3d object based audio however, sounds pretty impressive and fairly clean. Can not wait to try Tempest tech out. Just want it also piped out to my Atmos system.

Well.. tempest is also virtual surround. Anything coming from 2 speakers is.

 

[FunkMiller]

This is the graphics I want to see this new gen, hope that is in fact real gameplay

Good grief, that's actually approaching photo realism in some places. Though a little janky in others.

 

[LucidFlux]

XBox has SRAM in there too. its not in the GPU.

Have you seen how it is laid out anywhere or where it was mentioned? I'm not seeing anything on the die shot or SOC block diagram.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Good grief, that's actually approaching photo realism in some places. Though a little janky in others.

I see a lot of people saying "It doesn't look great, its basically what my high end PC looks like on ultra"

No shit sherlock thats the idea this is on a $400 console.

 

[oldergamer]

Alright. Who was writing the PS5 FUD list? Need to recheck that list.

Everything about that list was really about XSX.
RDNA1.5
NO RT
Overheating
No games ready
Rest of the goofy shit.

It really is the XSX that has all these issues. What a turn of events.

You can keep dreaming

 

[SlimySnake]

Have you seen how it is laid out anywhere or where it was mentioned? I'm not seeing anything on the die shot or SOC block diagram.

I have not. I am going by the article I linked.

the dieshot just includes the I/O block which is where the SRAM resides.

 

[Mr Moose]

Have you seen how it is laid out anywhere or where it was mentioned? I'm not seeing anything on the die shot or SOC block diagram.

There are customisations to the CPU core - specifically for security, power and performance, and with 76MB of SRAM across the entire SoC, it's reasonable to assume that the gigantic L3 cache found in desktop Zen 2 chips has been somewhat reduced.

Inside Xbox Series X: the full specs

This is it. After months of teaser trailers, blog posts and even the occasional leak, we can finally reveal firm, hard …

www.eurogamer.net

 

[Axonometri]

Well.. tempest is also virtual surround. Anything coming from 2 speakers is.

Are you attempting to educate me?

 

[IntentionalPun]

Are you attempting to educate me?

No? Just pointing out why I thought you were referring to Tempest with your "virtual surround" comment.

 

[danielJackson]

I am not talking about Sony Tempest.. I was referring to the horrible virtual surround modes in TV speakers. However, to me, virtual surround in headphones can also be terribly tinny sounding due to the high level of dsp. The latest 3d object based audio however, sounds pretty impressive and fairly clean. Can not wait to try Tempest tech out. Just want it also piped out to my Atmos system.

TV speakers are what they are, cant do or expect miracles.

Cant blame Sony from trying, it is users fault if they dont invest in better audio in the end.

People whom use TV speakers only are happy with virtual surround, if they are Happy with TV speakers. (They have low expectations / needs) so no harm done.

Basic cheapish 4.1 setup as new is like 400€ for good HT amp(sony str-dn1080 is still great, and cheap), 300€ sub and 300-400€ for 4 small speakers. Then they can upgrade speakers later + add more. Or buy used and get 50-80% off the price

If that is too much, they can enjoy their "virtual surround".

Dunno why people are so hostile against this, like nobody is forcing us to use TV speakers if we have better.

 

[Nikana]

A new Nintendo Switch would arrive with NVIDIA'S DLSS 2.0

A new Nintendo Switch would arrive with NVIDIA’S DLSS 2.0

PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X have been showing for weeks what the new technology of the video game industry will look like, one that many third-party developers will use to bring their future projects to life. In this sense, it seems logical to imagine that Nintendo Switch will require sooner...

nintendosmash.com

Sign me up. DLSS has made me an Nvida Fanboy.

 

[Darklor01]

Am I the only one that finds this NBA 2K21 PS5 image both really good and creepy in some ways at the same time?:

Edit: It's from this trailer:

 

[spyshagg]

Warhawk was so much fun

Its still alive and you can play it online with a few tricks

 

[Aceofspades]

Weren't they just counting up all the registers + the CPU and GPU caches? The SoC doesn't have much SRAM in total, a complete design reversal from the X1 approach, very much let's use ever transistor for CPU and GPU this time around.

I wasn't able to deduct this info from hot chips, how much L1, L2 and L3 caches does XSX have?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Am I the only one that finds this NBA 2K21 PS5 image both really good and creepy in some ways at the same time?:

Jussie Smollet is in NBA 2k21?

 

[Axonometri]

TV speakers are what they are, cant do or expect miracles.

Cant blame Sony from trying, it is users fault if they dont invest in better audio in the end.

People whom use TV speakers only are happy with virtual surround, if they are Happy with TV speakers. (They have low expectations / needs) so no harm done.

Basic cheapish 4.1 setup as new is like 400€ for good HT amp(sony str-dn1080 is still great, and cheap), 300€ sub and 300-400€ for 4 small speakers. Then they can upgrade speakers later + add more. Or buy used and get 50-80% off the price

If that is too much, they can enjoy their "virtual surround".

Dunno why people are so hostile against this, like nobody is forcing us to use TV speakers if we have better.

Me having my own personal opinion on what I like in audio is "Hostile" behavior? Moving on

 

[SportsFan581]

I wasn't able to deduct this info from hot chips, how much L1, L2 and L3 caches does XSX have?

I don't think they were specific about anything but the CPU L3 and GPU L2 caches. In fact they might not have even been specific on the CPU L3, I don't remember.

 

[kyliethicc]

supposedly the xbox

will the new fifa look as good on next gen??

i agree with you, the crowd is stuck and does not follow the action at all. a lowprotein crowd indeed.

I was just joking about how the games in real life don't have fans in the arenas anymore

 

[SportsFan581]

Jussie Smollet is in NBA 2k21?

I hope we don't have to sit through the reenactment during every match.

 

[kyliethicc]

Good grief, that's actually approaching photo realism in some places. Though a little janky in others.

Graphics are top notch, textures, fidelity is great. Animations still a bit janky breaking the illusions, but give em a few more years. Already so good.

 

[Lysandros]

I wasn't able to deduct this info from hot chips, how much L1, L2 and L3 caches does XSX have?

As far as i know there is no L3 cache within the GPU cluster and L2 cache is 5mb. L1 cache could be 128kb (512kb in total) as in Rx 5700 xt.

 

[Darklor01]

"All footage captured from a work-in-progress build of NBA 2K21 on a Playstation 5". I wonder what the final version will look like.

 

[gt_connect]

???

Xbox Series X won't push 8K, ray-tracing has failed to deliver admits Xbox boss

Xbox Series X won't push 8K, ray-tracing has failed to deliver admits Xbox boss

Phil Spencer has warned that 8K will not be the norm in the next gen and that ray-tracing support has so far been ‘spotty’.

metro.co.uk

 

[Vroadstar]

This is the graphics I want to see this new gen, hope that is in fact real gameplay

This looks great, I'm basketball fan so definitely be one of the first games I'll be buying for my shiny newy PS5

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Latest NBA 2K21 screenshots I made from the official trailer running on PS5:

Spoiler: the rest of the screenshots - 4k (24 images)

The player was celebrating even before the ball entering!

Or here:

NBA 2K21

PS5 4K screenshots.

ibb.co

EDIT: PS5 next gen games look "IMMENSE"!

 

[kyliethicc]

Sign me up. DLSS has made me an Nvida Fanboy.

Do you think Nintendo would make a new Dock with a 4K upscaling chip that they could sell to existing owners to use with their current Switch?

Or would they restrict 4K out to an all new Switch revision and put the chip inside the system itself?

 

[SlimySnake]

I see a lot of people saying "It doesn't look great, its basically what my high end PC looks like on ultra"

No shit sherlock thats the idea this is on a $400 console.

nah, it doesnt look like a high end pc at ultra. the character models have received a huge upgrade, there is ray traced reflections and there is a lot more detail. PC games are pretty much identical to console versions.

the issue is that the crowd and people on the sidelines still dont look as good and the lighting hasnt improved.

The game also needs motion matching animations. it feels like a half step upgrade.

 

[LucidFlux]

I have not. I am going by the article I linked.

the dieshot just includes the I/O block which is where the SRAM resides.

Sorry I must have missed the article, was it the Digital Foundry one? I do see the I/O block(s) on the die shot.

Inside Xbox Series X: the full specs

This is it. After months of teaser trailers, blog posts and even the occasional leak, we can finally reveal firm, hard …

www.eurogamer.net

Thanks, it's still a bit ambiguous what all the 76MB encompasses. Or at least how it's allocated. From the size they deduced that the Zen2 L3 cache was reduced from the desktop variants (which was assumed would happen) so I guess it really is the sum of all cache on the APU. I'm still interested in seeing the actual cache structures for both machines.

 

[Bryank75]

???

Xbox Series X won't push 8K, ray-tracing has failed to deliver admits Xbox boss

Xbox Series X won't push 8K, ray-tracing has failed to deliver admits Xbox boss

Phil Spencer has warned that 8K will not be the norm in the next gen and that ray-tracing support has so far been ‘spotty’.

metro.co.uk

Ouch, is that true? Did he really say that?

I don't want to give Metro the click...

 

[StreetsofBeige]

TV speakers are what they are, cant do or expect miracles.

Cant blame Sony from trying, it is users fault if they dont invest in better audio in the end.

People whom use TV speakers only are happy with virtual surround, if they are Happy with TV speakers. (They have low expectations / needs) so no harm done.

Basic cheapish 4.1 setup as new is like 400€ for good HT amp(sony str-dn1080 is still great, and cheap), 300€ sub and 300-400€ for 4 small speakers. Then they can upgrade speakers later + add more. Or buy used and get 50-80% off the price

If that is too much, they can enjoy their "virtual surround".

Dunno why people are so hostile against this, like nobody is forcing us to use TV speakers if we have better.

You wouldn't believe how many people just go through the TV speakers. My bro has a 60 or 65" awesome plasma tv. Giant house.

Yet he just uses TV speakers for the living room.

 

[mitchman]

Depends on how you feel about Mozilla. Is it a big improvement over the PS4 browser?

Never use the user-agent string for anything, it will include every rendering engine and browser under the sun because web devs often have no clue what they are doing and will sniff user agent instead of doing feature detection.

 

[Bryank75]

This is the graphics I want to see this new gen, hope that is in fact real gameplay

Awesome advert, I'm not even into basketball and that gets me hyped. Looks fantastic.

 

[Zathalus]

I wasn't able to deduct this info from hot chips, how much L1, L2 and L3 caches does XSX have?

12.5 MB cache total (L1, L2, L3) for the CPU and likely 9.5 MB cache for the GPU. So that makes 22MB. Unknown where the other 54MB is.

 

[SlimySnake]

Sorry I must have missed the article, was it the Digital Foundry one? I do see the I/O block(s) on the die shot.



Thanks, it's still a bit ambiguous what all the 76MB encompasses. Or at least how it's allocated. From the size they deduced that the Zen2 L3 cache was reduced from the desktop variants (which was assumed would happen) so I guess it really is the sum of all cache on the APU. I'm still interested in seeing the actual cache structures for both machines.

the L3 cache on the Zen 2 CPU is 32 MB, but Xbox and PS5 are only using 8MB of that. the rest is likely in the I/O block.

 

[Nikana]

Do you think Nintendo would make a new Dock with a 4K upscaling chip that they could sell to existing owners to use with their current Switch?

Or would they restrict 4K out to an all new Switch revision and put the chip inside the system itself?

Good question. I would have to think the Chip actually inside the switch would need to do the rendering as trying to using the Tegra X1 in conjunction with a new chip built on new hardware would likely create a lot of headaches.

 

[ethomaz]

Every day a new game running on PS5.