Doncabesa
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Playstation invented Direct X 12 Ultimate in secret. Cerny does it again!
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RogueHALLINAN
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kyliethicc
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Not when you cool it better and manually oc it. I ran my old vega 56 at 1600 mhz at 930mhz memory oc with liquid cooling.
Insane Metal
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... which makes me think the XSX is kind of an adapted RDNA2 GPU while PS5 is straight up RDNA2? Since all High end RDNA2 cards shown feature Infinity Cache? Also, low clocks on the GPU...
By this I don't mean anything to detract from XSX GPU, just pointing at the differences.
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Very good point.
DrDamn
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Well that doesn't work. I am not a robot loop in Chrome and get through to serial number entry on Edge but then chucked back to I am not a robot loop. Good job Sony!
kyliethicc
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320 bit. And neither need it. Big Navi 21 is more than the consoles.
HeisenbergFX4
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Insane Metal
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Why don't they need it? It's used due to low bandwidth which unfortunately PS5 does suffer (448GB/s is not a lot), Also not a lot on the XSX either
Metroiddarks
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Probably neither console has enough bandwidth.
The person who say as definitive if is need it or not only exists 3 options:
1)Is breaking a NDA
2)Is lying
3)Was allow by AMD to say it
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EliteClarity
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Setsuna Mudou
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today was the day you saw pretty much all RDNA 2 lineup clocked above 2 GHz while the xsx is sitting at 1.8ish... so much for the PS5 "overclocking" narrative right? What happened?
kyliethicc
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Guys Infinity Cache is L3 cache. We know the XSX die has no L3 cache. PS5 likely does not have any either.
Too expensive for console SoCs.
The PS5 SoC is 300 mm or less. It has an entire 8 core CPU in it and 40 CUs.
The 6800 XT is 500 mm or more, has 128 MB cache, and 80 CUs. It doesn't even have a CPU in that die. It costs $650 just for a GPU.
Consoles can't afford this kinda of stuff. They have to compromise.
Too expensive for console SoCs.
The PS5 SoC is 300 mm or less. It has an entire 8 core CPU in it and 40 CUs.
The 6800 XT is 500 mm or more, has 128 MB cache, and 80 CUs. It doesn't even have a CPU in that die. It costs $650 just for a GPU.
Consoles can't afford this kinda of stuff. They have to compromise.
Andodalf
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today was the day you saw pretty much all RDNA 2 lineup clocked above 2 GHz while the xsx is sitting at 1.8ish... so much for the PS5 "overclocking" narrative right? What happened?
Weird I didn't see any base clocks that high
DrDamn
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To confirm your motive ? I saw a clock speed equal to XSX on the 6800 == 2080ti on that slide, must be the XSX setup ... see how this works ?
both consoles are custom
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Three Jackdaws
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No reason it would be revealed at an AMD event focused and trying to sell on their discreet GPU's, although the higher clocks as well as the 256 bit memory bus does add credence.
Although I do find it hilarious how AMD's cards already have ray tracing ready for a number of games even though they're using the same DirextX 12 API as Series X.
kyliethicc
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Its plenty of bandwidth. The 3070 is 448 GB/s too.
The Xbox has even worse split bandwidth. 336 GB/s bottleneck.
Series S is only 224 GB/s at best, split, some at just 56 GB/s.
The consoles will be fine. They're not $1000 monsters.
Didn't you hear that's just boost clock hardly ever reaches it. It's not like the Xbox, when you turn that bad boy on it is screaming at 1800 mhz until you turn it off.today was the day you saw pretty much all RDNA 2 lineup clocked above 2 GHz while the xsx is sitting at 1.8ish... so much for the PS5 "overclocking" narrative right? What happened?
XSX has one cache bigger from 4 to 5 MB don’t know which .
There was a RDNA 2 card at the show with the XSX clock? The 6800.
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Setsuna Mudou
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kyliethicc
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I think it has 8 MB L2 cache, which is rather small for a PC discrete GPU.
Consoles are power constrained and cost constrained. Limited die space. Budgets.
Metroiddarks
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We didn't see any IPC improvement right ?
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Plus they probably don’t need it for what they target .
RogueHALLINAN
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It is always amazing but from what I can see both sides are equally just as bad, many a walking contradiction.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Probably do a lot more than asset loading.
MasterCornholio
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That's a problem with your vision mate, I'd have that checked out if I were you
So I'd 2.23GHz PS5s game clock or boost clock? If it's the boost clock then the game clock will probably be around 2GHz.
Anyone know he TFs for the PS5 at 2GHz? Just speculating here.
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duhmetree
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OOF
hopefully id Software takes over. I was never that into Halo. Played it on the OG Xbox and enjoyed it. I wouldn't mind it being 're-imagined/re-booted'
Make Halo into a Destiny type of FPS RPG. Or do what everyone else is doing.. Battle Royale. CoD has had a MAJOR resurgance with their Battle Royal. This current generation of gamers do not enjoy/stick to competitive arena shooters. You can't compete with CS or Valorant
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Zadom
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I’m sure it goes both ways, I just don’t notice it as easily by Sony fans because of my preference alignment.
I think it is similar to my pc with the game on a m.2 ssd, I don't have a nvme game drive yet so don't know if it would be different.
Metroiddarks
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I almost sure it won't, looks like these BC titles are limited more for the CPU than the SSD that is why doesn't matter if you loaded from
an external SSD.
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
This isnt the thread for it either way.
PSX
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Waittttttt a second here.... THAT was it? The event SonyBoys have hyped for weeks claiming this is when the secret sauce that King Cerny himself created with AMD will be unveiled? I heard more talk about MS than Sony in this event....
Can the wars end now and we just fucking Bugsnax ?!
Can the wars end now and we just fucking Bugsnax ?!
zubairali2
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Zadom
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You’re right. I apologize.
RogueHALLINAN
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It was finished after 3fuck sake man
halo is finished
Temtem makes its console debut exclusively on PS5
Early Access for the massively multiplayer creature-collection starts December 8.blog.playstation.com
The Sony exclusive version of Ooblets.
In terms of the AMD news, bring on the actual gaming benchmarks.
onesvenus
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There isn't any GPU they showed that had sustained clocks higher than 2.04Ghz, why should we expect 2.23Ghz to be sustained, again?today was the day you saw pretty much all RDNA 2 lineup clocked above 2 GHz while the xsx is sitting at 1.8ish... so much for the PS5 "overclocking" narrative right? What happened?
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Three Jackdaws
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I don't think it's accurate to describe the PS5's APU in terms of game clock and boost clock, we would have known already if that was the case. The PS5 also has a lower number of compute units compared to the 6800 and 6900, also more interesting when you think about the variable frequencies and "race to idle" that's in the APU.
Although the fact that the discreet GPU's can stick to 2+ Ghz as the game clock considering the number of compute units they have should say enough for what the PS5 is capable of.
BGs
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PSX
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