HawarMiran
Banned
Still there are people who care an want to know what the features are. VRS, DLSS equivalent and so on
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ToadMan
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I believe this to be true. I also now believe that's why the Xsex is clocked so slow.
A 250w TBP card? That won't fly in a console so under clock is what MS did. They're using about half the power, maybe a little more
Cerny didn't like that answer and came up with a solution to allow the card to clock higher by managing the power.
And the games will decide who did it better ...
Metroiddarks
Member
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
They specifically say hardware though.
If it's just DirectX, then they'd be lying.. which is possible.. but by what they said they are claiming there's a hardware aspect of RDNA 2 that PS5 doesn't use.
It's all rather meaningless on it's own other than it's good for PC/Xbox developers to have parity.
sircaw
Banned
Somebody ringgeordiemp and check he is ok.
HAHA Riky my old m8, have you learned by now not to fall foul to Microsoft PR spin department hahahaah.
I am meant to be the fish, but you just got done like a kipper hahaha
Don't hate me, but listening to you go all commando style kicking in a door only to find out its standard is kinda funny.
Sorry
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Night.Ninja
Banned
It's that the same red gaming that was talking about the PS5 with RDNA 3 features?
Maybe Sony swapped out RDNA 1 features for RDNA 3.
Maybe Sony swapped out RDNA 1 features for RDNA 3.
FunkMiller
Banned
I feel as if I have a full and firm grasp on the ramifications of this latest announcement from Xbox.
I just have one small query, if someone wouldn't mind filling me in:
What does RDNA stand for?
I just have one small query, if someone wouldn't mind filling me in:
What does RDNA stand for?
Mr Moose
Gold Member
PC? *spits*
I am hoping today's news lowers some cards prices so I can get a good deal lol.
Gudji
Member
True, that's a minority though. Most people don't even know what an SSD is.
BGs
Industry Professional
You usually put what is needed. If a flying car doesn't need wheels, it doesn't have to advertise them. Still I think that flying car should advertise its combustion engines or its magnetic levitation system.
In this case MS is selling "data". And Sony is selling "facts". It is a battle in which MS is alone, since Sony does not need to prove anything at this point, it is MS that is trying to regain a credibility or position that it lost in recent years.
Although I do think that Sony should not limit itself to publishing the new App. But hey, tomorrow the sun will rise and it will be another day.
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Andodalf
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Yeah, people legit posted things like
2021 game settings: PS5- Ultra PC - Medium XSX- Low
Gudji
Member
Radeon DNA (RDNA), it's basically the name they chose to give their lastest GPU architecture(s).
Setsuna Mudou
Member
Dude, do you know what you're talking about? A base clock and a sustained clock are 2 different things. Even a boost clock (or above) can be sustained depending on your cooling / power draw.
C'mon dude... do I need to elaborate more?
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Three Jackdaws
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Well, we get a little taste on the 12th of November.
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ROPs - 96!!!!
Perhaps the 80 ROPs for Xbox Series X was right all along.
I debated this a couple of month ago and got called a fanboy and stupid for even suggesting the idea that Xbox Series X could have more than 64 ROPs.
Well now the RX 6800 has 60 CUs and 96 ROPs (cut down from the bigger cards - 80 and 72 CUs with 128 ROPs).
Handy Fake
Member
Features that could come to RDNA3. Slightly different.
Cerny said it too in his presentation. That'll be where the non-standard RDNA2 customisations come in.
saintjules
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jose4gg
Member
thebigmanjosh
Member
Infinity cache aside, I think you nailed it:
Since PS5 doesn't support DX12U, technically it's hardware doesn't support all of RDNA2 capabilities by MS's names (VRS2, Mesh Shaders, SFS, etc.).
Also, here's an interesting quote from Ars about Infinity Cache size:
From Ars:
Unless Sony/AMD arranged the Zen 2 L3 cache in a way for WGP's to access it like IC/L3, then I don't see how the total die size adds up to 305-310nm2. Shared L3/Infinity cache would take up ~37nm2 for 32MB and 74nm2 for 64MB.
Someone help me with the napkin math to figure out what the total die size would be for the PS5 APU.
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Three Jackdaws
Unconfirmed Member
Yup his post was dead on arrival lol
SSfox
Member
Who cares about games? it's 2020 and now people buy console not for games but for packages and boxes , you need to keep up updated bruh WTH!!
At least this is what i've been told by Xbox fanboyz
Riky
$MSFT
HAHA Riky my old m8, have you learned by now not to fall foul to Microsoft PR spin department hahahaah.
I am meant to be the fish, but you just got done like a kipper hahaha
Don't hate me, but listening to you go all commando style kicking in a door only to find out its standard is kinda funny.
Sorry
I wasn't the one doing daily countdowns, tick tock etc.....all will become clear in a few days.....he was right it would lift an NDA but it was Microsoft who were under it
Even you have to admit it's pretty funny.
Metroiddarks
Member
I agree but I found annoying is the people believe anything the PR says without think for a moment like this:
If this is full RDNA 2 why you told us was customized ? or was only regarding the CU number because that is not customized
Where is the Infinite cache ?
Why your clock are so different ? after all are an essential part of the cache design
This means the XSX is a weak console? of course not, is great console but that doesn't mean that do not exist differences between the things they said
and the info is out there.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
Oh I 'member....
'Member when the xss was totally capable of 1440p and ray tracing and it would totally be on par with the main consoles?
xacto
Member
RUN TO HIM!!!
Here's a song, I need to get you out of this distress state over Bugsnax going free when you were ready to pay 70 bucks for it, and also the coppery taste in your mouth about the PS5 being not fully RDNA 2, but a measly 1.3 or so
Dance for me, I wanna see those moves, fish!
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FunkMiller
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PSX
Member
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
xacto
Member
I was kinda making a lame gag dude, but thanks for showing me I need to work on it
Don't quit your day job, mate
sircaw
Banned
I wasn't the one doing daily countdowns, tick tock etc.....all will become clear in a few days.....he was right it would lift an NDA but it was Microsoft who were under it
Even you have to admit it's pretty funny.
I think both companies are under NDA, I also did some tick-tocks too lol.
The good news now we can finally hear stuff, or at least i hope.
I will say though, the Microsoft tweet thing, trying to twist and spin it as a win is seriously funny in my book.
WHAT A CLUSTER FUCK HAHA
thebigmanjosh
Member
Yeah and before anyone jumps in to say otherwise, here are the ray accelerators in XSX:
Insane Metal
Member
Series S is not a 4K console. The XSX and PS5 are. High bandwidth is needed for higher resolutions. 3070 is not comparable, that thing is a monster with lots of extra silicon. Edit: and also features 512GB/s as per Nvidia, not 448.
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onesvenus
Member
This is interesting. Looking at all the announced GPUs it seems like there is a 1:1.6 ratio between CUs and ROPs.
Did the Hot chips XSX slides show ROPs or were those 60 an assumption based on the 1:1 ratio of RDNA1?
Sooooooo one console built a pc-ish console using their specific API on every pc while one built a custom console using custom (yes both have custom I know) hardware and tweaks with a in house-ish api. K? Both clearly adhere to the AMD roadmap in their own manners as well as custom changes. Neat. We already kinda knew this lol.
I wish they touched on Infinity Cache impact on PC Gpus though, otherwise competition is always good to see.
I wish they touched on Infinity Cache impact on PC Gpus though, otherwise competition is always good to see.
sircaw
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ethomaz
Banned
Series X has confirmed 64ROPs by MS at Hotchips.
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Sealord of Braavos
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ToadMan
Member
Um .... no?
PS5 has been custom RDNA2 forever.
And MS used the same language to describe Xsex.
ToadMan
Member
Its not. The Xsex has 64 ROPs.
xHunter
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kyliethicc
Member
Welcome back X-Fighter
Mr Moose
Gold Member
Looks pretty cool (heh).
I'd get one if it was smaller and not expensive, need something for my beers in my room.
itsnotme
Member
Imagine supposedly being a full generation of RDNA ahead yet performance is exactly the same whilst the other console has even better looking games and is a developer's dream on how easy it it to work on. I think people are missing what's actually important in a GAMING console. The console warring wouldn't even both me if people here actually worked on the consoles and are seeing who built the better box but no it's just random fans with an irrational alliance to a box
sircaw
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geordiemp
Member
Somebody ring
Yeah I am fine, I bet your struggling to understand what was presented. Finding i hard to differentiate between api and hardware I see
So we learnt Ps5 has RDNA2 compute units, with per CU clock level gating to achive 2.23 Ghz. So Ps5 has RDNA2 CU, I dont think Xbox has this at 1.8 Ghz - XSX is also 20 waves per Simd, so thats RDNA1 waves.
So whats next, API, yes DX12 will be common, Ps5 has GNM
Right, onto features, Ray tracing, VRS, Mesh shaders in Geometry engine.
Ps5 likely to have all but mesh shaders as Sony have their own version called simply GE.
So what do you not get ?
The big take away is RDNA2 CU needs everything seen in the slide to get 2.2 GHz which is a key RDNA2 feature. MS skipped that bit it seems.
Everything else RDNA2 feature wise is same, except Geometry vs mesh shader engine. Also we knew this 2 weeks ago, but for your reference - now you can understand it.
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ToadMan
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We learned xsex has a low clock because it is constrained by power consumption.
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