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[Bo_Hazem]

This is so apt.

I know COVID has messed up many production schedule but 2020-21 from Microsoft and Nintendo has been/shaping up to be absolutely abysmal.

 

[skit_data]

Moore’sJawlineOfDeath?

Just joking around, I like the dude and his content is nice. I saw people mentioning his jaw during one of his QA-sessions and only then i noticed he has a real masculine jaw.

 

[Lysandros]

Having the GE is enough with the lesser FPU capability of the console, and we know very little as to what the GE can do as it needs investment from developers to get the most out of it, and that I assume won't be seen for another 2 years a least. then there's scrubbers to take into account, and the Kraken Compression tech.

Cerny's goal was to eliminate bottlenecks no point having a shit ton of TFLOPS if they're getting choked/staved waiting for data/putting that data onto the screen.

I assume if Xbox Series consoles have retained the full FPUs seen in RDNA 2 it's related to ML/Cloud based capabilities.

I think Sony made a smart move freeing up the CPU having 2 IO Co-Processors.

I agree generally but what's the source or confirmation fot the "lesser FPU capability", may i ask?

 

[TheRedRiders]

Having the GE is enough with the lesser FPU capability of the console, and we know very little as to what the GE can do as it needs investment from developers to get the most out of it, and that I assume won't be seen for another 2 years a least. then there's scrubbers to take into account, and the Kraken Compression tech.

Cerny's goal was to eliminate bottlenecks no point having a shit ton of TFLOPS if they're getting choked/staved waiting for data/putting that data onto the screen.

I assume if Xbox Series consoles have retained the full FPUs seen in RDNA 2 it's related to ML/Cloud based capabilities.

I think Sony made a smart move freeing up the CPU having 2 IO Co-Processors.

Liquid “the GE is the answer to humanities problems” Rex

 

[SSfox]

This seems like the MS guy realising what Sony has done and why ... “oh so that’s how they could get the clocks so high - remove redundant features to reduce power consumption ”


which reminds me of this

 

[LiquidRex]

so the deal is done.

 

[IllegalLemon]

I don't know if through the console history any other console than PS5 faced this much of a misinformation campaign. Wave after wave, attack en masse. Just incredible.

Well all those campaigns have 2 things in common. For starters, they all succeed in bringing more attention towards ps5 and not away from it like most are aiming to do and 2, they (mostly) fail in slowing down or reducing demand for that platform. So all in all, those people doing misinformation campaigns are unaware that they’re diverting more attention towards that console, which I’ll assume isn’t the outcome they’re expecting but oh well. It is what it is I suppose.

 

[LucasBR]

so the deal is done.

Another studio/franchises to be destroyed by EA...

 

[LiquidRex]

Another studio/franchises to be destroyed by EA...

oh shit memes already! haha.

 

[Zoro7]

74.7% (corrected) bigger update on Xbox Series S|X vs PS5.

Yea but the Xbox update has textures for both the Series X and Series S......

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Yea but the Xbox update has textures for both the Series X and Series S......

Not necessarily though, it's just XSX textures and XSS uses lower LOD's just like on PC.

 

[On Demand]

 

[Mr Moose]

I've noticed this guys tweets on here a few times, who is he?

 

[NewChoppa]

I've noticed this guys tweets on here a few times, who is he?

From what I’ve seen, some generic Sony twitter fanboy

 

[Bo_Hazem]

 

[OverHeat]

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Control UE:

PS5: 25.7GB
PC: 42GB

 

[OverHeat]

825 GB-PS5
Infinite Storage-PC

By the way Im just playing around.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

825 GB-PS5
Infinite Storage-PC

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

oh shit memes already! haha.

I was going so say they're now applying the iRacing model then, but fortunately it's just a meme

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

I don't care!

Just show me some dam games that justifies my $1K+ that was spent on both of these consoles....

 

[On Demand]

I've noticed this guys tweets on here a few times, who is he?

Does it matter who the person is as long as the information is factual? No it does not.

 

[Mr Moose]

Does it matter who the person is as long as the information is factual? No it does not.

I beat them by 3 hours

Reconfirmed no 1080p/60fps RT mode coming to Control.


Also no filesize reduction.

 

[Lysandros]

I beat them by 3 hours

The developers of the game/Thomas Puha were already proven to be wrong by Photo Studio Alyx.

 

[On Demand]

I beat them by 3 hours

Well I just saw that twitter post today.

 

[LiquidRex]

I was going so say they're now applying the iRacing model then, but fortunately it's just a meme

 

[LiquidRex]

Liquid “the GE is the answer to humanities problems” Rex

Yes GE will save us all from Silicon Hell.

 

[DeepEnigma]

so the deal is done.

 

[TheRedRiders]

A lot of controversy brewing in the Twittersphere. Recently Moore'sLawIsDead threw shots at RedGamingTech about some of the PS5 info he leaked which turned out to be false or something (I think.) RGT responded by saying how MLiD has been taking RGT's leaks and passing them off as his own including the RDNA 3 and GE information as well the Metal Gear Solid remake.

Funnily enough I actually made a severel posts on here last year in which I suspected that we should be careful of MLiD and some of his PS5 leaks because it seemed like he was just getting information from RGT and passing it off as his own. It explains why a lot of people were annoyed at MLiD especially Matt Hargett (PS5 engineer). Anyway it seems like the cat is out the bag now.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Because it’s very easy for Sony to say look, they use VRS, we have this solution , , and they use Meshshading and do it like this . We do it like this. They have SFS , we do that like this ... but they haven’t..

Instead they let you guys make everything up ..

I think that’s weird and not transparent at all.

For example they fully disclosed their SSD solution.

So, for you, if Sony haven't talked about said tech, it just does not exist inside PS5 on any form?

Fuzzy logic...

 

[Neo Blaster]

What a clickbaity tweet. They're just saying "not yet". Come on, everybody already knows how this works, it's a timed exclusive.

Or it's a cue to MS: 'do you want the game? Pay for it!!'

 

[LiquidRex]

A lot of controversy brewing in the Twittersphere. Recently Moore'sLawIsDead threw shots at RedGamingTech about some of the PS5 info he leaked which turned out to be false or something (I think.) RGT responded by saying how MLiD has been taking RGT's leaks and passing them off as his own including the RDNA 3 and GE information as well the Metal Gear Solid remake.

Funnily enough I actually made a severel posts on here last year in which I suspected that we should be careful of MLiD and some of his PS5 leaks because it seemed like he was just getting information from RGT and passing it off as his own. It explains why a lot of people were annoyed at MLiD especially Matt Hargett (PS5 engineer). Anyway it seems like the cat is out the bag now.

I was really pissed off last night when I heard MLID say what he said.... MLID acted unprofessionally, he even took a swipe at another Youtuber MBG. All in a lame ass attempt to deflect the heat off himself!!

 

[ErRor88]

 

[ErRor88]

I think people should rationalize that both of these consoles use the RDNA 2 APU variant +/- features vs RDNA 2 Desktop.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I think people should rationalize that both of these consoles use the RDNA 2 APU variant +/- features vs RDNA 2 Desktop.

End results should always be what matters going forward though. We're still in a muddy phase now, by next year we should see more graphics/performance that show the power of either console, especially when UE5 and Sony Atom View are used in the next wave of games on multiplats and PS5 exclusives for data streaming and with no traditional LOD system.

 

[sinnergy]

So, for you, if Sony haven't talked about said tech, it just does not exist inside PS5 on any form?

Fuzzy logic...

Fuzzy logic ? See al these pages and you call it clear ?

Sony could have easily cleared it up.

 

[3liteDragon]

Wtf has Bo_Hazem been up to.

He's gonna buy majority stake in all those companies and turn their games into PlayStation exclusives.

 

[assurdum]

Geometry engine ..the same? Isn't it the ps5 geometry engine hardware quite bigger in size than the series X?Or I remember wrong?

 

[Neo Blaster]

Fuzzy logic ? See al these pages and you call it clear ?

Sony could have easily cleared it up.

Like have been said before, they are the market leaders, they don't have to if they don't want. And looks like what they want is for the results to do the talking.

 

[ErRor88]

Geometry engine ..the same? Isn't it the ps5 geometry engine hardware quite bigger in size than the series X?Or I remember wrong?

Bigger doesn't always mean better. I think the differences are that one uses Primitives and the other uses Mesh in their engines.

 

[Lysandros]

Geometry engine ..the same? Isn't it the ps5 geometry engine hardware quite bigger in size than the series X?Or I remember wrong?

I am also highly suspicious of that claim, doesn't seem to be the case size wise, PS5's GE is supposed to be customized to be fully programmable to enable very early culling. Maybe he is talking about the rasterizer and prim unit blocks of the front end.

 

[ErRor88]

I am also highly suspicious of that claim, doesn't seem to be the case size wise, PS5's GE is supposed to be customized to be fully programmable to enable very early culling. Maybe he is talking about the rasterizer and prim unit blocks of the front end.

I think this comes from having Primitive Shader being programmable. But, Mesh shader extends this further by simplifying the process.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/primitive-shader-amds-patent-deep-dive.186831/

 

[LiquidRex]

 

[Lysandros]

I think this comes from having Primitive Shader being programmable. But, Mesh shader extends this further by simplifying the process.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/primitive-shader-amds-patent-deep-dive.186831/

The process described here seem to use prim units and CUs, GE itself doesn't even seem to be in the process diagram. I don't think this the very same technique described by Cerny and Matt Hargett to which GE situated within the central cluster (togheter with GCP and ACEs+HWS) of the die plays a crucial role as far as i understand.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

I think this comes from having Primitive Shader being programmable. But, Mesh shader extends this further by simplifying the process.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/primitive-shader-amds-patent-deep-dive.186831/

This guy Calo is a SenjustuSage's ALT account troll. He's misinformed about PS5's Primitive Shaders, as he argues they're the same as the first gen Vega PS, which they aren't.

His whole diatribe lays out accurately how PS and MS are described by AMD/NVidia, and then he jumps to some bizarre conclusion at the end with no reasoning or evidentiary justification to back up why he thinks MS >> PS. He doesn't seem to grasp that Suface Shaders on the AMD RDNA side replicate the functionality of Task Shaders on the NVidia side. So his argument that MS >> PS because of Task Shaders is bunk.

In reality, while Mesh Shaders differ in implementation from Primitive Shaders, the objective and results are the same.

 

[ethomaz]

It starting to become interesting.



He will never agree not all parts of the GPU silicon are not RDNA 2.

 

[SlimySnake]

This guy Calo is a SenjustuSage's ALT account troll. He's misinformed about PS5's Primitive Shaders, as he argues they're the same as the first gen Vega PS, which they aren't.

His whole diatribe lays out accurately how PS and MS are described by AMD/NVidia, and then he jumps to some bizarre conclusion at the end with no reasoning or evidentiary justification to back up why he thinks MS >> PS. He doesn't seem to grasp that Suface Shaders on the AMD RDNA side replicate the functionality of Task Shaders on the NVidia side. So his argument that MS >> PS because of Task Shaders is bunk.

In reality, while Mesh Shaders differ in implementation from Primitive Shaders, the objective and results are the same.

i love how 90% of the posters in that thread are now banned.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

i love how 90% of the posters in that thread are now banned.

here's to all the fallen heroes...

 

[ethomaz]

Seems like Series X CUs are rally RDNA 2 by James Stanard.
He did not reply about other parts not being RDNA 2.

 

[Insane Metal]

Seems like Series X CUs are rally RDNA 2 by James Stanard.
He did not reply about other parts not being RDNA 2.

Of course they are.

What a stupid discussion.