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[Musky_Cheese]

Power your Dreams

Dreaming is the last thing you do before the "next day"

Edge of Tomorrow

I see you C crazy buttocks on a train

 

[Darklor01]

Sony itself showed a banner with console news.
Let's hope it is a lot of news

They did?

 

[Stuart360]

You would be incorrect on this one.

I dont know, its touch and go for me. Maybe 360/PS3 games at a push but thats it. A tech site tested Forza Motorsport 7 and needed to drop settings down a bit on a 2080ti to hit 8k, or 2 2080ti's in SLI to hit 8k at max settings. And yes Forza is a current gen game, but its also one of the most optimized PC games of the last few years, and 2 2080ti's are FAR beyond wht will be in these consoles.
I dont think people realize just how demanding 8k is. 360/PS3 level graphics at 8k is all i could see the next gen consoles achieving.

 

[DeepEnigma]

That overlay can't be right. The Scorpio chip is 360mm, this would make the Scarlett chip a lot bigger than 380mm. More like 400 to 425 or more

They are probably messing up the scale of the measurements due to the angle of the shot. You are not getting a proper top/down view of the chip.

 

[xool]

That overlay can't be right. The Scorpio chip is 360mm, this would make the Scarlett chip a lot bigger than 380mm. More like 400 to 425 or more

ok so my original estimate was based on a 3mm smt component, but I think they might be 1206 types with 8 contacts, which are actually 3.2x1.6mm - that ups my estimate to 405mm2

I realised a while back, but decided to keep it close to my chest becuase the number is BIG and it is too much hype in one go to be believed ..

..in reality the image is not detailed enough, and there are no smt markings etc .. so it's up in the air ..

 

[gaming_noob]

I don't think @ethormaz has enough fingers and toes for the record....

Ethormaz's toes Team blue painted over nail fungus

 

[LordOfChaos]

Seems so

"assuming the transistors are the same size" I don't get what he's going for, XO X is 16nm, so the transistors are not the same size.

Edit: Maybe he means resistors to scale them up

 

[DeepEnigma]

Power your Dreams

Dreaming is the last thing you do before the "next day"

Edge of Tomorrow

I see you C crazy buttocks on a train

Didn't OsirisBlack also mention last night about Night into Dawn or the like?

 

[splattered]

Probably nothing but it would be exciting to be wrong!

 

[bitbydeath]

I dont know, its touch and go for me. Maybe 360/PS3 games at a push but thats it. A tech site tested Forza Motorsport 7 and needed to drop settings down a bit on a 2080ti to hit 8k, or 2 2080ti's in SLI to hit 8k at max settings. And yes Forza is a current gen game, but its also one of the most optimized PC games of the last few years, and 2 2080ti's are FAR beyond wht will be in these consoles.
I dont think people realize just how demanding 8k is. 360/PS3 level graphics at 8k is all i could see the next gen consoles achieving.

Sony was able to get GT Sport running at 8K with a rumoured 36CU GPU.

 

[Akuji]

he doesnt know shit, transistor density has nothing with the mm² to do. they do go hand in hand when u wanna calculate how many transistors an chip has, but thats about it.

ohh lol, my bad sorry he meant the transistors around the actual chip so that he can properly overlay them. because u cant see how far away the camera shot is. so he took them as reference points for the overlay.

my bad.

 

[Dolodolo]

With all due respect to HeisenbergFX4 , why do people ask him anything at all? We have a person here who was verified on this site a long time ago, but he was still verified. Even his words should be treated with a grain of salt, but he is. And he says Sony's GPU and RT solution is better
It doesn't mean anything, but it matches the statements of Klee, who was also checked

 

[ethomaz]

They did?

Yeap.

 

[Stuart360]

Sony was able to get GT Sport running at 8K with a rumoured 36CU GPU.

Its funny you said that because Gran Turismo is the only AAA game i could see attempt a 8k mode, it sounds like something they would do.

 

[chemical boy]

52CUs would be 11.3TF at 1.7Ghz.


I just saw that. That would make Phil Spencer's profile pic change very weird. Why now? Why today?

Because Sony will announce PS5 and they have to get some attention.

 

[LordOfChaos]

ohh lol, my bad sorry he meant the transistors around the actual chip so that he can properly overlay them. because u cant see how far away the camera shot is. so he took them as reference points for the overlay.

my bad.

Those are resistors, I think that must be what he meant

 

[Insane Metal]

Well, for the first time in years, Sony's new (leaked) mobile phone looks pretty damn good.

Leaks of Sony's Xperia 5 Plus show bigger screen, better camera

Sony's Xperia 5 was a welcome refresh, but its 6.1-inch size made it a tough sell if you wanted a large phone. Relief may be on the horizon, though, and you'll apparently get considerably more than just a bigger screen. OnLeaks and SlashLeaks have posted renders and specs for an Xperia 5 Plus...

www.engadget.com

 

[TeamGhobad]

That overlay can't be right. The Scorpio chip is 360mm, this would make the Scarlett chip a lot bigger than 380mm. More like 400 to 425 or more

 

[Nikana]

Well, for the first time in years, Sony's new (leaked) mobile phone looks pretty damn good.

Leaks of Sony's Xperia 5 Plus show bigger screen, better camera

Sony's Xperia 5 was a welcome refresh, but its 6.1-inch size made it a tough sell if you wanted a large phone. Relief may be on the horizon, though, and you'll apparently get considerably more than just a bigger screen. OnLeaks and SlashLeaks have posted renders and specs for an Xperia 5 Plus...

www.engadget.com

Reminds me of the essential phone. I loved mine.

 

[Fake]

More news please. Enough pastebin and fake leaks.

 

[ethomaz]

Its funny you said that because Gran Turismo is the only AAA game i could see attempt a 8k mode, it sounds like something they would do.

Racing genre is one of the least demanding power in CPU and GPU.
Sports are second like NBA, FIFA, etc.

There is an article I read about that few years ago.

 

[44alltheway]

Didn't OsirisBlack also mention last night about Night into Dawn or the like?

I think he was talking about info he was going to leak going into the next day. He ended up not really saying anything other than the premium consoles being very expensive, and one of the three being loud af.

 

[xool]

That overlay can't be right. The Scorpio chip is 360mm, this would make the Scarlett chip a lot bigger than 380mm. More like 400 to 425 or more

"assuming the transistors are the same size" I don't get what he's going for, XO X is 16nm, so the transistors are not the same size.

Edit: Maybe he means resistors to scale them up

Yeah the smt things..

But

I think the XboxOneX smts are actually 0603 (or 0805) type that's 1.5x0.8mm (or 2x1.3mm) .. which puts the size estimate back at option #2 in my original post - that is - it's a bullshot of a custom printed RX5700 die from a dev kit . [edit screw this. measured again - I need a second opinion]

Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

Looking forward to the Hitler bunker meme vids after the reveal.

www.neogaf.com

[edit] the overall package is almost certainly 50mmx50mm which puts the die size in the mid 300s, with huge margain of error .. it's not a 250mm2 chip
[edit2] made a ton of maths errors in my OP .. luckily estimate hasn't really changed - around 380mm2+, maybe even touching 400.. yeeesssssssssssssssssss

 

[Stuart360]

Racing genre is one of the least demanding power in CPU and GPU.
Sports are second like NBA, FIFA, etc.

There is an article I read about that few years ago.

I could possibly see Forza and Gran Turismo having an 8k mode as they are super optimized games, but i cant see beyond those. The OneX cant even run all XB1 games at 4k with a 6tf gpu, how could 12tf next gen consols run next gen games at 8k?, its not going to happen.

 

[Insane Metal]

If the die is >400mm expect a $699 console.

 

[ethomaz]

I could possibly see Forza and Gran Turismo having an 8k mode as they are super optimized games, but i cant see beyond those. The OneX cant even run all XB1 games at 4k with a 6tf gpu, how could 12tf next gen consols run next gen games at 8k?, its not going to happen.

I found it.

Gaming Computers: Different Hardware for Different Genres

Computer games often have varying hardware needs - some are more graphically demanding, others need a more powerful CPU, and some need a mix of both. Such requirements often follow the type or genre which games fit into, and this blog post looks at those common genre-based needs to help gamers...

www.pugetsystems.com

RTS and FPS are what really push processing in CPU and GPU... requires very high-end CPU and GPU.
Racing games you will be fine with mid-end CPU and GPU.

 

[Thedtrain]

Well, for the first time in years, Sony's new (leaked) mobile phone looks pretty damn good.

Leaks of Sony's Xperia 5 Plus show bigger screen, better camera

Sony's Xperia 5 was a welcome refresh, but its 6.1-inch size made it a tough sell if you wanted a large phone. Relief may be on the horizon, though, and you'll apparently get considerably more than just a bigger screen. OnLeaks and SlashLeaks have posted renders and specs for an Xperia 5 Plus...

www.engadget.com

Love me some slabs of glass.
That's nice looking, would like to catch some reviews

 

[ethomaz]

Well, for the first time in years, Sony's new (leaked) mobile phone looks pretty damn good.

Leaks of Sony's Xperia 5 Plus show bigger screen, better camera

Sony's Xperia 5 was a welcome refresh, but its 6.1-inch size made it a tough sell if you wanted a large phone. Relief may be on the horizon, though, and you'll apparently get considerably more than just a bigger screen. OnLeaks and SlashLeaks have posted renders and specs for an Xperia 5 Plus...

www.engadget.com

I don't like that design in Sony's phones... that is why I never look in Xperias.

 

[Stuart360]

I found it.

Gaming Computers: Different Hardware for Different Genres

Computer games often have varying hardware needs - some are more graphically demanding, others need a more powerful CPU, and some need a mix of both. Such requirements often follow the type or genre which games fit into, and this blog post looks at those common genre-based needs to help gamers...

www.pugetsystems.com

RTS and FPS are what really push processing in CPU and GPU... requires very high-end CPU and GPU.

Actually thinking about it, i could POSSIBLY see the odd sports game attempt 8k. Fifa and Pro Evo run at 4k on my 980ti with tons of room to spare. 4k to 8k is still a massive jump though so i dont know if the would bother, especially when hardly anyone even has a 8k tv.

 

[nikolino840]

Someone at Sony are doing the same math with the components size?

 

[Gudji]

Someone at Sony are doing the same math with the components size?

Ofc.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Actually thinking about it, i could POSSIBLY see the odd sports game attempt 8k. Fifa and Pro Evo run at 4k on my 980ti with tons of room to spare. 4k to 8k is still a massive jump though so i dont know if the would bother, especially when hardly anyone even has a 8k tv.

Only thing I can see happening, is they go a little above 4K for a cleaner downsampled image on 4K sets versus whatever AA solution if there is performance room in some types of games (sports, racers, etc.).

 

[bitbydeath]

Actually thinking about it, i could POSSIBLY see the odd sports game attempt 8k. Fifa and Pro Evo run at 4k on my 980ti with tons of room to spare. 4k to 8k is still a massive jump though so i dont know if the would bother, especially when hardly anyone even has a 8k tv.

Also Checkerboard or some other advanced form of upscaling, I bet Sony and MS build it into the kit so it's easier for devs to utilise.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Ofc.

"Alright alright fine, ship it with the second GPU"

/s

 

[SlimySnake]

if i was sony and i saw a 425mm2 chip i would be sweating lol.

they better have an answer to this monster of a console.

 

[Gamernyc78]

if i was sony and i saw a 425mm2 chip i would be sweating lol.

they better have an answer to this monster of a console.

If I was Microsoft and saw Cerny in the corner working on the next Gen console I'd run for the hills. Whatever he got cooking up has to be insanity

 

[Darklor01]

Yeap.

Interesting. I mean, there is representation for their various divisions there, but PlayStation is represented. I guess we shall see what they'll say to include it at CES shortly.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

So what game are we seeing running RT and VRS?

Street Fighter 6?

 

[01011001]

"Alright alright fine, ship it with the second GPU"

/s

it wouldn't be the first time Sony did a last minute change to their hardware, resulting in a huge price spike and delay... the PS3 says hello

remember when they thought that the Cell chip can act as a GPU until their first party studios asked what kind of drugs they were sniffing?


but then again, they wouldn't try that again I hope...

 

[ZywyPL]

It means that's likely Scarlett's SoC, as per Phil's profile image.
Madness to write 8K on it, truly - https://twitter.com/XboxP3

Looks like the console he took home about a month ago already died and he's inspecting it. RROD confirmed!

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

If the die is >400mm expect a $699 console.

Nah, that is suicide. They don't want to price themselves at 3DO/Neo-Geo territory. It'll be $499 at most.

 

[TLZ]

I just woke up and there are 8 new pages

See you in 2 hours until I read through and catch up..... Hopefully there's something juicy.

 

[LordOfChaos]

it wouldn't be the first time Sony did a last minute change to their hardware, resulting in a huge price spike and delay... the PS3 says hello

remember when they thought that the Cell chip can act as a GPU until their first party studios asked what kind of drugs they were sniffing?


but then again, they wouldn't try that again I hope...

Dual Cells was only ever an early drawing board idea that didn't make it far, but the Toshiba based GPU they were going to ship wasn't going well so they had to swap in RSX last minute.

8GB GDDR5 in the PS4 also caught a lot of devs by surprise, some surprises are good!

 

[TeamGhobad]

if i was sony and i saw a 425mm2 chip i would be sweating lol.

they better have an answer to this monster of a console.

they do its a 36CU system for 399.

 

[Stuart360]

I still kind of wish they were targeting 1440p with the next gen consoles, and left 4k for the mid gen Pro consoles. Can you imagine the jump in graphics 12tf machines would bring if they were targeting 1440p?.
I think they should just leave 8k for PS6/Xbox 5

 

[sonomamashine]

Sony was able to get GT Sport running at 8K with a rumoured 36CU GPU.

?

Someone at Sony are doing the same math with the components size?

They already know like Nvidia knows

 

[Agnostic2020]

it wouldn't be the first time Sony did a last minute change to their hardware, resulting in a huge price spike and delay... the PS3 says hello

remember when they thought that the Cell chip can act as a GPU until their first party studios asked what kind of drugs they were sniffing?


but then again, they wouldn't try that again I hope...

Can you just stop posting shit like this ? Like Sony is an incompetent hardware company . Whenever they put out a console it had been the strongest console when released . So cut that shit out please . Thanks

 

[01011001]

I could possibly see Forza and Gran Turismo having an 8k mode as they are super optimized games, but i cant see beyond those. The OneX cant even run all XB1 games at 4k with a 6tf gpu, how could 12tf next gen consols run next gen games at 8k?, its not going to happen.

well if you consider that a 9tf RDNA GPU is already performing twice as fast as that 6TF One X GPU, and you consider that a 4k60 game could have an 8k30 option, I can totally see many games having 8k modes as an option.
and if not that maybe they'll run them at 50% of 8k and use checkerboarding to make them look near native.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

Probably won't even be many native 4K AAA games now that we will have VRS. 8K is pointless for game consoles on home TV's.

 

[sonomamashine]

well if you consider that a 9tf RDNA GPU is already performing twice as fast as that 6TF One X GPU, and you consider that a 4k60 game could have an 8k30 option, I can totally see many games having 8k modes as an option.
and if not that maybe they'll run them at 50% of 8k and use checkerboarding to make them look near native.

You can run native 8K, but who would like to see a character moving into a plain dry dead surface at a low fps.