Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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o'dium said:
Forgive me if I'm wrong but stadia is effectively a pc, on a custom Linux based os, is it not?

Essentially the headroom for improvement is none existent, based on the spec. A 5tf stadia would perform the exact way a 5tf pc would perform, but a custom built 5tf console would beat it night and day.

In short, even if PS5 was the old 9tf rumour, I would still beat it performance/visuals wise without contest.
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"Source wants to stay anonymous (& will respect that). Therefore, it must be taken with grant of salt just like any another rumors. "

Also, when the die size leaked with supposed die size, it was even called monolithic from the leaker itself. I think it was from Taiwan.

This particular Reddit post sounds made up imo.
 
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o'dium said:
Forgive me if I'm wrong but stadia is effectively a pc, on a custom Linux based os, is it not?

Essentially the headroom for improvement is none existent, based on the spec. A 5tf stadia would perform the exact way a 5tf pc would perform, but a custom built 5tf console would beat it night and day.

In short, even if PS5 was the old 9tf rumour, I would still beat it performance/visuals wise without contest.
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Exactly, Stadia is also GCN and not RDNA as well. Old tech.
 
PocoJoe said:
Read it again, he didnt say that.

He meant:

If xbox have to target 4tflop 1080p and 12tflop 4k machines, while sony targets one 9.2tflop machine with from 1080p to up to 4k resolution, he says that Sony could catch up (most) of the power difference because they dont have to make games two machines in mind + xbox could lose some perf/visuals because of two system approach.

aka ps5 could use it's power more efficent while xbox would lose some power.

and if xbox would design 1080p game that uses all the raw power of 12tflop machine, it would not run 1080p on the 4tflop machine. while ps5 could target the same 1080p with higher details and dont worry about the slow machine.

Because xbox could not make a game that runs with super ultra details @ 1080p with the faster machine, because it would not run on the slow machine, but sony could do it as they dont have slower machine to worry about.

At 4k xbox could take a lead because of better specs, but sony could do tricks to make differences smaller.

That is what he said/meant I think.

Having one system gives you an option to choose 1080p with max details or 4k with less. with fast+slow system the slower system is the lower limit at 1080p, unless dropping details or have lower res than faster system. (if for some reason they would design 1080p game for all the systems)

if this is reality or not, it doesnt matter. Just speculation of different approaches, I dont believe in 9.2tflops ps5, but I see how things could work if they would have these specs
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Oh I see yes. I guess that is true to a degree, but Microsoft has that problem anyways with having to worry about the 1.3 TF Xbox One.
This and the reason I have a PC that is better than what the Xbox Series X is going to be is why I am not that excited for the Xbox launch this year.
 
JAMMA said:
I hope you're right and don't have a motive, because your theory comes from nowhere where your message has been delivered other than other assumptions or theories. No offense.

Give me the actual hard quotes direct from MS and not the twisted wording of a reporting source?
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There was a tweet from reps at Microsoft that stated that they would support Xbox one for one or two years. There was nothing said about third party studios doing this.
 
Agnostic2020 said:
Hmm isn't point of chiplet to reduce the disabled CU . 8 disabled is even higher than normal monolithic chip . So fake I guess ?
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That and it would absolutely crush memory bandwidth. And memory bandwidth is like the most important thing regarding raytracing. This leak makes no sense.
 
o'dium said:
Stadia could be built on next years tech and 20tf. It matters for nothing if you have a 1 second delay when hitting a button 🤣
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Funny thing as too, all that "power" and it was running games at lower settings and resolution than the mid gen console counterparts.

Shit is garbage.
 
When I hear someone like J. Schrier say that both PS5 and XseX are aiming higher than Google's 10.7, I don't believe he's talking about the computational difference between RDNA and GCN making it so.

I'm a firm believer that both systems will be above 10.7 literally, not figuratively. I think both PS5 and XseX will be 11+TF by the time it is all finalized.

If XseX hits 12 TF RDNA, there's no way Sony doesn't come within 1 or 2 TF of that. If they come in *above* XseX for those 1 or 2 TF, great.

That lines up with PS5 having the edge by several sources, many of whom I'm inclined to believe.

But that edge will be so minuscule it won't matter, because, as Osiris said, MS can just upclock a bit to close the gap, if they haven't already.

Same situation for Sony, probably, as nobody knows their specs(that we've heard officially) or the wiggle room they could have.

These systems...look. You can't look to the past as an indicator of what is to come in the future.

SSDs, Ray Tracing, high-end CPU and GPU, modest RAM...none of that was thought possible not long ago.

Even so, some people *still* refuse to accept the fact that these systems *are* as powerful as they claim even with facts and features laid bare in interviews by the head men themselves.

The rules we have adhered to in what we expect consoles to be, what they may cost to make, no longer are the same. Both systems very well may have capabilities in excess of 8-$1k. We dont know what either did to make it happen, but it's happening.

Sony is a very smart company. I don't believe for one second they are quiet because they have a weaker system, they're "on the back foot", they are "arrogant".

No. They'll show up soon and it'll be just as incredible as we all hope. Same with MS when they showcase.
 
BattleScar said:
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A 5700XT absolutely dumpsters Vega 56, which is what Stadia uses.

This fucking obsession with Tera FLOPS. Christ.
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Yes but your average consumer wouldn't understand that. It's all about the buzzword of the gen. It's Teraflops this gen and the number must be higher to be used as a marketing push.
 
Moridianae said:
SSDs, Ray Tracing, high-end CPU and GPU, modest RAM...none of that was thought possible not long ago.
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You make a good point. Most were all saying "bullshit" before those features were official revealed. Argued against them feverishly.

Now they shifted to arguing minuscule TF numbers depending on which brand they prefer, talk shit about credible leakers and the like, depending on which brand they prefer, display lots of confirmation bias of what they pick and choose to believe again, based on which brand they prefer.

I would like to say "these reveals can't come soon enough", but it will change nothing to those on their chosen sides. The goalposts will then shift to something else.
 
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hemo memo said:
Yes but your average consumer wouldn't understand that. It's all about the buzzword of the gen. It's Teraflops this gen and the number must be higher to be used as a marketing push.
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Your average consumer will never even know how many TF each console has. Ask a random PS4 user how many TF his console has and you get a confused look in return.

Daniel_Mallorca1985 said:
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6 different fonts on one screen, respect. :D
 
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darkinstinct said:
Well, those insiders have said that since E3. Where Reiner reported that he heard that at that point PS5 was faster than Xbox. And that's true, because Xbox devkits didn't exist back then, they only launched in November. So while PS5 was using Ariel and Oberon devkits at that point, Microsoft was at best still using PCs with target specs. And surprise, the best Navi based GPU available at that time was

5600 XT: 36 CU, 1.75 GHz, 8 Teraflop
vs.
Ariel: 36 CU, 1.8 GHz, 8.3 Teraflop
vs.
Oberon: 36 CU, 2 GHz, 9.2 Teraflop

The more powerful 5700 XT didn't arrive until a month after E3.

Damn, suddenly Sony is in that exact same ballpark that Reiner reported. Except he didn't account for the fact that actual XSX devkits were not out yet.

Later "insiders" then just went with what Reiner reported to pretend to be credible. Or simply were fed information from back then, but they don't necessarily have newer information just because they say it later.
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5700xt launched early July, one month after e3.
5600xt released january 21 2020.
5600xt, 5700 and 5700xt are the same GPUs ( Navi10)

You don't know what you are talking about.
Best Navi GPU available in mid 2019 was Navi10 2GHZ 40CUS 10.2TF
 
SmokSmog said:
5700xt launched early July, one month after e3.
5600xt released january 21 2020.
5600xt, 5700 and 5700xt are the same GPUs ( Navi10)

You don't know what you are talking about.
Best Navi GPU available in mid 2019 was Navi10 2GHZ 40CUS 10.2TF
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Gee, that one sounds familiar.
 
BattleScar said:
Your average consumer doesn't know or care about TeraFLOPs.
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This is for whom then? This shit goes back to the Atari days. It's not new.

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SmokSmog said:
5700xt launched early July, one month after e3.
5600xt released january 21 2020.
5600xt, 5700 and 5700xt are the same GPUs ( Navi10)

You don't know what you are talking about.
Best Navi GPU available in mid 2019 was Navi10 2GHZ 40CUS 10.2TF
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What was the best GPU available in June 2019?
 
hemo memo said:
This is for whom then? This shit goes back to the Atari days. It's not new.

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To persuade the core gamer who are the only ones that know what the heck that means.

Also, the core gamer were the main ones gaming back in the day. It was not nearly as mainstream like it is now with the swaths of casuals with CoD, Minecraft, and Fortnite.
 
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hemo memo said:
This is for whom then? This shit goes back to the Atari days. It's not new.

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People are thick. Very. If you run with the slogan "fastest most powerful" people Will believe it, and not question it. The masses are not savvy with computer jargon, but they do like basic things that are measurements. So you always get basic stuff like this is 1tf, that is 2tf. It helps make decisions for basic people.

Trouble is next gen, you have multiples. this has a good cpu, that has a good GPU. This has a good ssd, that has good memory. You can't really throw that at your average consumer.

So you will get a lot of silly things like "faster most powerful" and "load times are a thing of the past".

Truth be told, they are pretty much on par, but to your average person, this stuff matters.
 
hemo memo said:
This is for whom then? This shit goes back to the Atari days. It's not new.

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Facts, back then with Sega, Nintendo and Turbografx the metrics were just a little different like color palettes, how many polygons on screen, etc but same msg to the masses "my system is stronger than the competitors"
 
cragarmi said:
Patience, I'll be sharing via Mod of War from now on, he's made me aware of the rules of engagement. And if you look at my profile I'm hardly a new member! You can understand how someone's source might be reluctant to divulge who they are and who they work for, these companies don't dick around.
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Lets leave the insider rumors to users that say vetted.
There is just too many of you fly bys here.

"I cant share much but i can tell you this" .....how many times did i read this line here.....and all from neo users and buddy i looked at your account and just like all the others that show 30 posts over several years makes me think you just use a dummy account.
Why not use the real account?

I was born at night but not last night.

Yes share with mod of war get vetted and then come back and post your "insider info"
 
SmokSmog said:
5700xt launched early July, one month after e3.
5600xt released january 21 2020.
5600xt, 5700 and 5700xt are the same GPUs ( Navi10)

You don't know what you are talking about.
Best Navi GPU available in mid 2019 was Navi10 2GHZ 40CUS 10.2TF
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Navi10 best GPU boost clock is 1755Mhz... the power consumption goes hells with overclock.

Console APU won't reach comercial desktop single GPU cards.

2Ghz won't happen with the same process.
 
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