Agnostic2020
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Didn't cerny say the external ssd will also use ps5 io and controller to get the same benefit but it has to have minimum same speed of 5.5 gb/s ?
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Vaztu
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Yup, Cerny did say the External SSD will connect through the Custom I/O unit just like the internal SSD. The External SSD speed has to be higher than 5.5GB/s to counter-act the lack of 6 priority levels, I deduced.
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Evilms
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Great Hair
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I know.
Adding assets from unreal to make your own game, c'mon that's low effort. Them talking about porting it over to the ps5 like it's just an USB to USB transfer ...
Just saying that they got no access, but for the assets on unreal marketplace. It's not even onpar with the order 1886.
Salt lot's of em
Store PlayStation 5- og Xbox Series X-nyheter kommer i mai
Ting har og vil fortsette å endre seg raskt under denne pandemien. Spillmesser har blitt kansellert og PR-planer blitt endret for både PlayStation 5 og Xbox Series X, men...
Daniel Ahmad, one of the gaming industry's best-known analysts, is one of those who can take on a lot of the blame for these with his Twitter messages. I can confirm this, and to be kind I can also tell you that we will hear some very exciting things related to PS5 and Xbox Series X already next week.
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FeiRR
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Dude, FF7 is an RPG, not action adventure. It's not about arcade traversal. I've just finished it yesterday and it was great (but you have to be into JRPGs because one third of the game is cutscenes and those ridiculous plot twists). It also has one of the most beautiful cutscenes I've seen. The whole game is quite low in detail and polygon count but what they did with HDR and colouring is a masterpiece. It'd rewatch it again just enjoying the story but YT compression kills the fun.
Neo Blaster
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Nope, commercial SSDs will have their own controllers, an example is priority levels, 2 for NVME standard vs 6 for PS5 controller. What Cerny said is that these drives must have at least 7 GB/s to compensate the absence of specialized I/O chipset mitigating bottlenecks.
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DrKeo
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Don't confuse the I/O unit which is inside the SOC with the controller which is outside the SOC.
The I/O unit, which resides inside the SOC, has all the cool stuff like the decompression block, SRAM, coherency engine, etc. while the controller is outside the SOC:
If you look at that image, the green line from the flash controller to the SOC is x4 PCIe 4.0 lanes. There are 4 lanes that go to the expansion bay too and they will route the data from that external SSD to the SOC the exact same way and it will enjoy the same I/O unit that's inside the SOC. What that external SSD won't have is the controller, it will have its' own. That's why the external SSD will have to have ~7GB/s raw bandwidth or higher, in order to compensate on thing the PS5 controller has like 6 level of priority.
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MasterCornholio
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My only question is when that technology will be available to consumers. It sounds like it won't even be able at the end of this year.
DrKeo
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Yup, I will take time. You need a 7GB/s SSD that doesn't throttle and doesn't have a big heat sink and fan so it will fit in the bay, which makes it a pretty rare thing that doesn't exist right now. Maybe Sony will release its own expansion drive in the meantime because Cerny did say that they are looking into a few solutions.
MasterCornholio
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I know some people were joking about the PS5s SSD being a generation ahead, but it looks like that may be true.
Vaztu
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Don't confuse the I/O unit which is inside the SOC with the controller which is outside the SOC.
The I/O unit, which resides inside the SOC, has all the cool stuff like the decompression block, SRAM, coherency engine, etc. while the controller is outside the SOC:
If you look at that image, the green line from the flash controller to the SOC is x4 PCIe 4.0 lanes. There are 4 lanes that go to the expansion bay too and they will route the data from that external SSD to the SOC the exact same way and it will enjoy the same I/O unit that's inside the SOC. What that external SSD won't have is the controller, it will have its' own. That's why the external SSD will have to have ~7GB/s raw bandwidth or higher, in order to compensate on thing the PS5 controller has like 6 level of priority.
Oh thanks. My mistake.
CrysisFreak
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This is the undeniable power of Mark Cerny. Don't mess with him, he's from the future.
Tripolygon
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Its not really a joke. When Mark Cerny said last year that PS5 had the fastest SSD beyond anything on the market i thought it was impossible but it really is the fastest SSD.
thelastword
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I don't want anyone to get banned, but didn't Odium say that PS5 would be 11.6 and had a temper tantrum when anyone doubted him, with bird droppings et al?..... and didn't VFX Veteran say PS5 would be between 1080 and 1080ti, when a RX 5600XT beats a GTX 1080 comfortably and 5700XT is about par or ahead of 1080ti in most modern titles...…….Then we have PS5 which is based on RDNA 2, which is 50% more performant per watt on an enhanced 7nm......So how is PS5 stacking between a Pascal 1080-1080ti?... That right there has to be one of the most left field predictions, and yet, VFX constantly reminds us his sources are as solid as German Steel....
Also, didn't VFX say the PS5-PRO would land day and date with regular PS5? Why haven't we heard of anything.....TBF such an announcement can still happen and it would give us two high tier options for PS5, but nothing so far VFX........Maybe in May June....?
Thirty7ven
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If the AMD Ceo refers to it as "revolutionary", high caliber devs say it's "revolutionary", then maybe we peasants should shut the fuck up and consider that these people know what they are talking about.
This doesn't take away from anyone else, it's only an either or if you make it so. I'm sorry the SSD isn't a joke guys, but don't worry nobody is laughing at you either.
This doesn't take away from anyone else, it's only an either or if you make it so. I'm sorry the SSD isn't a joke guys, but don't worry nobody is laughing at you either.
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3liteDragon
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Hold on a second, 4K 60FPS with FULL ray-tracing?? WtfQuantum Error 4K @ 60fps target with RT
4 developers in the team.
protonion
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I don't understand why Sony will not sell the ssd they have in ps5.
Do they make it themselves or order it from a third party?
In any case they could sell it too. And let other companies compete.
Tens of millions will get an additional ssd
Don't they leave too much profit for others?
Do they make it themselves or order it from a third party?
In any case they could sell it too. And let other companies compete.
Tens of millions will get an additional ssd
Don't they leave too much profit for others?
MasterCornholio
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I thought it was an exaggeration. But after understanding it more I can see why it's probably the future of SSDs on console at least.
I really thought it was going to be a normal SSD slapped into a console. But it appears that the customizations that it has puts it far beyond consumer products.
Agnostic2020
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Matt from RE when someone was saying the difference between 2 is big :
FranXico
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It's a cross-gen game.
FranXico
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It will still be noticeable, yes. But not as dramatic as some very petty people wishing for "payback for Xbox One" are hoping for.Matt from RE when someone was saying the difference between 2 is big :
LED Guy?
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I can guarantee you that Halo Infinite, Horizon Zero Dawn 2, Forza 8 and an Assassin's Creed game are the only ones which will have live gameplay like God of War E3 2016 gameplay.
B_Boss
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I suppose we'll find out when future graphics cards are launched and selling lol. All jokes aside, I don't think it's that simple to merely sell the PS5's Custom SSD. Most of the crucial hardware is customized (someone correct me if I'm wrong please and thanks
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Lol yeah. It's not an open-world RPG either. I'm surprised you didn't complain about not being able to do anything but talk to NPCs lol. Jumping lol
Shmunter
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I suspect 3rd parties will eventually release bare ssd with no controller specifically for PS5
Thirty7ven
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It will noticeable if you open YouTube and watch DF work their thing. Otherwise I highly doubt it.
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Aceofspades
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Matt from RE when someone was saying the difference between 2 is big :
Matt throughout the years both in Gaf and Era has been the most consistent and true insider.
Numbers say the same also, a 17% GPU difference is the closest we have ever had between PS and Xbox, Ram differences are also the smallest next gen.
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Neo Blaster
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That's a good point, nobody said Sony can't sell their own proprietary external SSD drive for PS5 to make up for the absence of other choices. It's more complex to use than MS' solution, but at least you can choose a manufacturer.
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THE:MILKMAN
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Yep and all the way back in mid-2017 here was tempering expectations of 32GB RAM and silly high TF etc.
Neo Blaster
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There's definitely something odd about their claims, I think they could just be gloating.
Matt from RE when someone was saying the difference between 2 is big :
Its an interesting convo - what Matt was initially responding to was a poster implying that the gap will be bigger than the ~18% GPU difference implies. To which he dropped some truth bombs: it won't be bigger and that the difference will be modest. When asked about significantly better RT due to increased CU he said it would be better but not significantly so.
Neo Blaster
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You're thinking about a discrete part, but most probably it's soldered to the main board. But you're right, they could have their own external drive as an option for customers who want to expand internal storage.
3liteDragon
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Tequila Works CEO Impressed by DualSense Controller, Including Reportedly 'Biometric Data Detection, Fingerprint Recognition
www.playstationlifestyle.net
WHAT IN THE WORLD is this controller? Looks like someone broke an NDA if this is true.
Tequila Works CEO Impressed by DualSense Controller, Including Reportedly 'Biometric Data Detection, Fingerprint Recognition' - PlayStation LifeStyle
The Tequila Works CEO Raúl Rubio seems impressed by the DualSense controller features, particularly with regards to the sensory-centric upgrades. The interview may have also leaked unknown features like DualSense biometrics and fingerprint recognition.
www.playstationlifestyle.net
WHAT IN THE WORLD is this controller? Looks like someone broke an NDA if this is true.
FranXico
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I doubt that, it sounds like too much stuff cramped into the controller.Tequila Works CEO Impressed by DualSense Controller, Including Reportedly 'Biometric Data Detection, Fingerprint Recognition
Tequila Works CEO Impressed by DualSense Controller, Including Reportedly 'Biometric Data Detection, Fingerprint Recognition' - PlayStation LifeStyle
The Tequila Works CEO Raúl Rubio seems impressed by the DualSense controller features, particularly with regards to the sensory-centric upgrades. The interview may have also leaked unknown features like DualSense biometrics and fingerprint recognition.
WHAT IN THE WORLD is this controller? Looks like someone broke an NDA if this is true.
splattered
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So if there won't be any external storage solutions compatible with the ps5 any time soon and even a proprietary solution isn't deemed financially viable by Sony... what happens to external storage for the ps5? People are just stuck with like 600gb of storage period on the ps5? People go ahead and buy an SSD that is half the speed or less of what the PS5 itself uses? What would even be the point then?
Perhaps the SSD tech they went with would have been a better idea for PS5 Pro in a few years?
I would think at this point Sony would be considering scaling back the SSD solution to at least match Microsoft's and branding their own external SSD carts like MS is doing.
If they think people are going to pay like 300+ dollars for an additional 1TB of speed matching storage space they are out of their minds.
Perhaps the SSD tech they went with would have been a better idea for PS5 Pro in a few years?
I would think at this point Sony would be considering scaling back the SSD solution to at least match Microsoft's and branding their own external SSD carts like MS is doing.
If they think people are going to pay like 300+ dollars for an additional 1TB of speed matching storage space they are out of their minds.
Aceofspades
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I understand Xbox fans frustration these days after PS4 and Xbox One gen. Now they just want XsX to be superior in everything which didn't happen.
Matt from Era (I didn't know how to post a picture of the post itself)
XsX ended up with small GPU advantage vs huge SSD deficit. I can see why Xfans are angry, its OK XSX is still plenty capable machine.
Matt from Era (I didn't know how to post a picture of the post itself)
XsX ended up with small GPU advantage vs huge SSD deficit. I can see why Xfans are angry, its OK XSX is still plenty capable machine.
Neo Blaster
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This is precisely how I think SX's card solution works to keep prices low, it's merely an external NAND that connects to the internal controller. We'll have to know if this can be done in PS5's case.
Darius87
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i don't know about details it was plain and simple stupid riddles from them and to believe someone who knows someone who knows his dad who works at company x which have ps5 dev-kit or something like that...
what do you expect from someone who says horizon will look better on pc then horizon 2 on ps5
but i don't think he was taken seriously as insider or he done damage as who was taken seriously as insiders.
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Rusco Da Vino
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I dont really get why some people think that a custom RDNA2 12tf machine is just good enough for 4K60fps when it is clearly an overpower system for that target.
Then you see people making random wild math based in that fase premise and concluding that because the XSX is only capable of 2160p then the PS5 is 1980p for the 1.8tf of difference without taking into an account the full picture of the systems or knowing about what the RDNA2 architecture can deliver.
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splattered
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The huge SSD deficit may be a completely moot point if no devs whatsoever even take advantage of it and people are unable to purchase additional storage for the next few years because it's "so advanced"
The SSD might actually be what hinders the ps5 rather than propel it.
In other words, it could backfire and end up as another disadvantage vs the XsX.
Aceofspades
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Bolded can be said about any advantage for either console. Also PS5 certified drives will come sooner or later, I wouldn't worry about that.
3liteDragon
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Idk, I just really want them to reveal everything at this point (which they will at some point), this sounds insane for a controller alone.
CrysisFreak
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I want Cerny to have my ear data, fingerprint data and also a 3D model of my tongue.
splattered
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Sooner or later? How long? A month? Three? A year or two?
I can see it now... one day out of the blue a year after launch Sony puts out a blog post revealing the 2 official certified speed matching SSD Drives and everyone gets excited only to be hit with a cost of 300 to 400 each for a paltry 500gb to 1TB of space.
Either that or they have to go ahead and certify slower speed SSD drives that can't take advantage of all the magical advantages the SSD was supposed to provide in the first place.
I can see it now... one day out of the blue a year after launch Sony puts out a blog post revealing the 2 official certified speed matching SSD Drives and everyone gets excited only to be hit with a cost of 300 to 400 each for a paltry 500gb to 1TB of space.
Either that or they have to go ahead and certify slower speed SSD drives that can't take advantage of all the magical advantages the SSD was supposed to provide in the first place.
B_Boss
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I may have misinterpreted
protonion
post. Apologies if so.Personally I was hoping that those memory card patents were a possible SSD drive akin to MS's nice idea. Sony has history with memory cards for playstation consoles. What a great time to bring them back and even the concept designs for them are great. Here's hoping that Sony does indeed consider creating an SSD drive themselves.
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FeiRR
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I asked around about Techland having been bought by Microsoft and the word isn't out among Polish devs. Either they're keeping it secret or it was just a rumour. But for the damn pandemic, I'd be able to ask those questions in person, maybe then there could be some straight answers. A difficult life of an insider (j/k).
MasterCornholio
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Tequila Works CEO Impressed by DualSense Controller, Including Reportedly 'Biometric Data Detection, Fingerprint Recognition
Tequila Works CEO Impressed by DualSense Controller, Including Reportedly 'Biometric Data Detection, Fingerprint Recognition' - PlayStation LifeStyle
The Tequila Works CEO Raúl Rubio seems impressed by the DualSense controller features, particularly with regards to the sensory-centric upgrades. The interview may have also leaked unknown features like DualSense biometrics and fingerprint recognition.
WHAT IN THE WORLD is this controller? Looks like someone broke an NDA if this is true.
Just don't put it in your mouth.
Gamernyc78
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RaySoft
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That solely depends of what they have ready. The game engine is a given (at least runnable), so once you have that and all the assets requrired, it's an easy task to script realtime cut-scenes. It's a whole other ball-game to have all the other systems ready that are requred for actual game-play. But I agree with you on that both MS and Sony would surely want to show off gameplay of those, if possible. Halo, Forza and next AC I think is a given too since they'we probably been in development for a while. HZD2 though.. we don't know how long they have been working on that.
B_Boss
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.....and here I am just praying for rear buttons
. I don't care about anything else above that. I don't understand why a back attachment for DS4 was launched so late. I theorized if it had anything to do with the PS5.- Status