Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Wait, so if people subscribed to the Official PlayStation Magazine in UK get the digital copy a week earlier before it's physical copy sale (Next Tuesday, May 5th), that day is supposed to be today. Based on what's on this magazine's June issue cover, I think we're getting a DualSense info blowout with a Horizon Zero Dawn 2 reveal in a few hours.
I'm counting on it!

Give me that true next-gen controller, Sony! If the DualSense does what I think it will do, it might be way more reason to get that console than some 18% TF difference.... dare I say it :messenger_anguished:
 
Not saying he didn't

But ask yourself a question. If it was true, do you think that Cerny would tell you that in his presentation?

(Answer is NOPE)

But won't bother to talk about it anymore. I just provided N nosseman an explanation. Because if i dared to say it again it will be "he is spreading FUD", "Discord something something", "Xbot fanboys incoming" and other shit from Cerny's believers here
Do you also believe that planet Earth is flat?
 
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the gap between two machines has never been so ridiculous...
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But but but it's the BIGGEST DIFFERENCE EVER! And 25% memory bandwidth difference is HUGE!
 
Nope. It just fuels a theory that Sony upclocked PS5 GPU to narrow the gap between PS5 and XsX.
And some people think so highly of Cerny (he is obviously second comig of God), that it just can't be possible that he would make a late frequency adjustment because he underestimated Microsoft.

So your saying when Microsoft dropped the 12TF bomb Cerny assembled a meeting with all the engineers and said:

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Makes sense.
 
Not to sound mean but if you've been following closely, the general consensus on BOTH next gen consoles is that the CPU and SSD I/O provides the biggest changes to next gen. These components are actually changing the way games are created.
There is a developer on Resetera that actually stated that the next next gen (PS6 and Xbox ?) is the generation when (these new processes should be much refined) that you're going to start seeing some insane things.
I think you missed the sarcasm...😉
 
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So your saying when Microsoft dropped the 12TF bomb Cerny assembled a meeting with all the engineers and said:

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Makes sense.
I didn't said that :messenger_winking:
But as i stated. I replied to the question from other guy. I know, how Sony-side this thread and this forum in general is and nobody here is willing to have discussion without "Xbots are spreading FUD" because Cerny is a God, so i won't bother anymore. I tried few times and it's waste of time because some guys around here already made up their minds...
 
I didn't said that :messenger_winking:
But as i stated. I replied to the question from other guy. I know, how Sony-side this thread and this forum in general is and nobody here is willing to have discussion without "Xbots are spreading FUD" because Cerny is a God, so i won't bother anymore. I tried few times and it's waste of time because some guys around here already made up their minds...
Now you can just dismiss any counter argument for your "incompetent Cerny versus shrewd Microsoft" assumptions with the good old "Sony bias" conspiracy theory. Yay!
 
I didn't said that :messenger_winking:
But as i stated. I replied to the question from other guy. I know, how Sony-side this thread and this forum in general is and nobody here is willing to have discussion without "Xbots are spreading FUD" because Cerny is a God, so i won't bother anymore. I tried few times and it's waste of time because some guys around here already made up their minds...
there were leaks way ago that ps5 is aiming over 2ghz clocks so how sony could knew that xseriesx is 12tflops at that time? possibly even xbox hw at that time weren't at 12tflops.
 
Wait, so if people subscribed to the Official PlayStation Magazine in UK get the digital copy a week earlier before it's physical copy sale (Next Tuesday, May 5th), that day is supposed to be today. Based on what's on this magazine's June issue cover, I think we're getting a DualSense info blowout with a Horizon Zero Dawn 2 reveal in a few hours.


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I don't even know if this image is real, I haven't seen it from any official source, it could very well be photoshopped.
 
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Aaaaaand...
...here we go :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy:

(took longer then i expected)
(I'll wait for rest of your squad)
Well, to be honest it's really difficult to have a productive argument with someone who claims that a worldwide corporation takes into consideration the perspective of a group of teenagers who have nothing better to do than compare their penises. That's why I chose a semi-humorous comment.
 
Now you can just dismiss any counter argument for your "incompetent Cerny versus shrewd Microsoft" assumptions with the good old "Sony bias" conspiracy theory. Yay!
Nope. I never done that and I will never do that. It's just, i had this conversation where i put my thoughts and reasoning and arguments few times here and I won't bother to repeat that again and again and again. I had sensible conversation with few PS fans here, but it was surrounded with other people lashing out and their only argument was "spreading FUD"
 
I know, how Sony-side this thread and this forum in general is and nobody here is willing to have discussion without "Xbots are spreading FUD" because Cerny is a God, so i won't bother anymore. I tried few times and it's waste of time because some guys around here already made up their minds...

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Maybe don't pin hopes on OPM having unreleased information from Sony ready to go. Took information from a 2018 interview and republished it as new information. Only they got stuff wrong and admitted neither the dev nor Sony were involved with the article.
 
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I didn't said that :messenger_winking:
But as i stated. I replied to the question from other guy. I know, how Sony-side this thread and this forum in general is and nobody here is willing to have discussion without "Xbots are spreading FUD" because Cerny is a God, so i won't bother anymore. I tried few times and it's waste of time because some guys around here already made up their minds...

This just seems like a pretty childish way to perceive things. Feel free to check my post history but yeah I do favour Sony on the game side but right now don't own a Sony console as my Pro was just too loud but do have access to a One X (which is very impressive on the cooling side BTW).

If you are happy with Xbox then why are you concerned about what Sony fans think of PlayStation?
 

Maybe don't pin hopes on OPM having unreleased information from Sony ready to go. Took information from a 2018 interview and republished it as new information. Only they got stuff wrong and admitted neither the dev nor Sony were involved with the article.
The Quantum Error dev confirmed the issue's real, and I don't see OPM UK making up "design secrets" about the new controller without Sony giving them info, and it's talking about a Horizon 2 reveal as if it already happened. What I said was, the fact that all this DualSense info is on the cover should be an indication that we'll get info from Sony beforehand.
 
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The Quantum Error dev confirmed the issue's real, and I don't see OPM UK making up "design secrets" about the new controller without Sony giving them info, and it's talking about a Horizon 2 reveal as if it already happened. What I said was, the fact that all this DualSense info is on the cover should be an indication that we'll get info from Sony beforehand.

I am cautious with my expectation.
I don't think we will get any actual new information from a magazin.
This will probably be stuff that has been discussed in several forums and social media channels already.
 
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I disagree it was a last minute plan b switch, variable clocks frequency along with the software solutions to give developers control over power budgets and make it work seamlessly and the exotic cooling solution isn't something they come up in the span of 6 months or even 1 year. This was integrated into the SoC design and that's before even getting into their exotic cooling solution patent. Why spend all this money on R&D if they are not going to use it?

Cerny claimed 2GHz was an unreachable target with the old fix frequency strategy, the infamous 9.2tf wouldn't even work with fixed clocks. So what would you consider to be plan A?

That's just it; they must've at least been attempting to implement a fixed frequency approach for a "while" because you still have Oberon revisions clocked at 2 GHz. Now, granted, those could've been 2 GHz clocked to run in a compatible Ariel iGPU profile mode, truth is we won't exactly know for sure. At the very least they had to at least wait until they could get their hands on Oberon silicon to test the variable frequency and see how well it would work in real-life scenarios with the cooling system at that point in its development.

Big companies spend tons of cash on features that go unused in commercial products all the time. I'm sure if you wanted, you could find patents for older PS consoles for concepts that never made it into a retail system.

So IMO it's perfectly conceivable that even with the planning beforehand and structuring everything out, they could've decided to try a less complex/less costly approach just to see if targets could still be hit on a fixed frequency strategy. If they did, then regardless of the work done planning for a variable frequency solution, the R&D put into it wouldn't necessarily mean they'd need to put it in the system if the need was not present as, again, companies do this sort of stuff regularly. Sometimes they even create patents just to patent, even if there is no genuine intent in applying the patent to an idea.

....But that's something along the levels of patent trolling and the only gaming company I know of which does that today is "Atari".
 
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Oh for fuck's shake guys I cannot believe you are still arguing about XsX vs PS5! Give it a rest. Who really cares about NoIPsBox...
Ok seriously, fuck specs speculation-comparison. Games comparison, sure!
 
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Oh for fuck's shake guys I cannot believe you are still arguing about XsX vs PS5! Give it a rest. Who really cares about NoIPsBox...
Ok seriously, fuck specs speculation-comparison. Games comparison, sure!
Most people care about specs because most bought and played games are 3rd party, which each system gets.
 
The Quantum Error dev confirmed the issue's real, and I don't see OPM UK making up "design secrets" about the new controller without Sony giving them info, and it's talking about a Horizon 2 reveal as if it already happened. What I said was, the fact that all this DualSense info is on the cover should be an indication that we'll get info from Sony beforehand.

I'm not implying the cover isn't real. What I'm saying is don't get your hopes up this revealing any new information on the dualsense that Sony hasn't already published. As for the dev thoughts on DualSense, plenty of comments on this on the web. Could easily be repackaged as an article.

The only thing on the cover that has the potential of new information is the "Surprising" HZD sequel. Could be some spin on the tweet from Guerrilla Games and the surprise is that it appears this is a PS5 only game, rather than PS4/5.
 
I'm not implying the cover isn't real. What I'm saying is don't get your hopes up this revealing any new information on the dualsense that Sony hasn't already published. As for the dev thoughts on DualSense, plenty of comments on this on the web. Could easily be repackaged as an article.

The only thing on the cover that has the potential of new information is the "Surprising" HZD sequel. Could be some spin on the tweet from Guerrilla Games and the surprise is that it appears this is a PS5 only game, rather than PS4/5.
Don't forget the design secrets section, I don't remember Sony talking about any design secrets regarding the DualSense controller, but we'll see what happens, you could be right too.
 
Don't forget the design secrets section, I don't remember Sony talking about any design secrets regarding the DualSense controller, but we'll see what happens, you could be right too.
There has to be "secret sauce" (I don't really like this expression). We know it has sensors but you can't see them anywhere in those renders they published.
 
Patents?

As for surprising HZD sequel ... it seems to be https://www.freecomicbookday.com/Catalog/JAN200042 which releases in May.
It says on the bottom right corner of the magazine cover, "revealed" and Titan revealed this comic on March 26th with a May release date but then it got postponed to July 22 due to the coronavirus. I just don't see them referring to the comic series as a sequel, that's a dumb thing to do if that turns out to be the case since the second game is most likely in development, which also happens to be a sequel.


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It says on the bottom right corner of the magazine cover, "revealed" and Titan revealed this comic on March 26th with a May release date but then it got postponed to July 22 due to the coronavirus. I just don't see them referring to the comic series as a sequel, that's a dumb thing to do if that turns out to be the case since the second game is most likely in development.

That's a dumb thing to do? Welcome to OPM. You know, the magazine that republished old information as new, still gets it wrong, and has to issue an apology to say Sony wasn't involved in the article. Now that's a dumb thing to do.

The comic was announced, releasing 2nd May. I'm sure they have a copy of that early, and maybe they are revealing something from that, or ... old information is new again.

As I said .. don't get your hopes up is all.
 
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That's a dumb thing to do? Welcome to OPM. You know, the magazine that republished old information as new, still gets it wrong, and has to issue an apology to say Sony wasn't involved in the article. Now that's a dumb thing to do.

The comic was announced, releasing 2nd May. I'm sure they have a copy of that early, and maybe they are revealing something from that, or ... old information is new again.

As I said .. don't get your hopes up is all.
Well we'll see, I'm really hoping we get something today.
 
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