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sircaw
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When my girlfriend asks me, do you think these jeans look big on me, i bend the truth a bit.
This, i find acceptable. You have a good day.
FranXico
Member
Oodle showed up and ruined the party for the BCPack hype. SFS and magic multipliers to the rescue!
pawel86ck
Banned
That's BC game not optimized to use VA features (different compression metchod, therefore XSX HW decompression chip is not working here). State of decay 2 loads equally as "fast" on PC with slow 500MB/s SSD and it's proof this game is not using VA features. Game loads faster compared to Xbox One X with standard HDD, but that's it.
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IntentionalPun
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Why can't they both just be cool technologies that some devs might find useful?
Y'all are so about this war lol
Also, isn't Oodle a third party tool that will be available on Xbox?
sircaw
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Neo Blaster
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DrDamn
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Ok thanks. So it won't speed up quick resume or how quickly it can fill the memory of the XSX more how well it can stream data in for immediate use and effectively reduces how much memory the machines need in the first place. This links back to people saying 16GB for both XSX and PS5 is fine.
Bo_Hazem
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Who said that PC architecture is great? Both are pretty much in the spitting range of SATA3 SSD's 500MB/s. You can stay in this idea as much as you like, but don't act like you got shocked when you see actual performance of XSX being extremely underwhelming compared to their exaggerated numbers. If they can do better numbers, and we're speaking of Microsoft here, they will do, but they have nothing to show.
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lepermessiah
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I said that already before: As a software developer, I do not believe the statement that suspend/resume is not optimized for the SSD/VA. Suspend/Resume is an OS functionality and the XSX's OS for sure is optimized for it's SSD (if it is not, that would be increadible dump). The game itself is not optimized for the SSD or VA because it is running in BC mode, but it is not taking over until the resume is fully done (the games memory is completely read and dumped into memory). This is another situation where I believe Microsoft's marketing is intentionally misleading.
FranXico
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Yep. I know. But it still made the other compression method less "special", which triggered some people.
And SFS is cool indeed, I appreciate the nice things in both devices.
But there's insufferable people who are REALLY invested into the war and physically unable to think, let alone say anything good about the box that isn't branded as an Xbox.
You already see the usual religious fanatics (assuming they're not on payroll) starting propaganda threads to spread the word that the Xbox is an achievement of efficient design versus the garbage the PS5 is. At least the SSD threads tried to be positive to try to promote the advantages to SSDs.
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FeiRR
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Yep, it's amazing. They should really use that data for other, more accessible games. People are going to drool at Halo while this is da real next gen shit from Microsoft. Power of the cloud actually delivering big time.
FranXico
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Well, most of the memory is eaten up by textures. Especially if you're talking about 8k or 16k textures.
IntentionalPun
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So respond to them on Twitter? Or XVA? Or wherever you guys are finding this drek?
You guys literally take Xbox fanboy content from OUTSIDE THIS WEBSITE and post it here... and then discuss it.
Why is this relevant to NeoGAF? Half the time it's some person from twitter with like 100 followers lol
And I like how you guys never say a word about insanely biased Sony fanboys here. Maybe just STFU about fanboys in general and address the content of posts.
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FranXico
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I am talking about insane drivel from this website, not twatter. I've reported Sony nutters too.
Gamernyc78
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IntentionalPun
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The post that started the convo you guys are having is someone taking a screenshot from outside of NeoGAF and posting it here under the premise of "Look at what these Xbox fanboys are saying."
Which is literally a good chunk of the convos in this thread. It's way more interesting when we are actually talking amongst ourselves (even if it is fanboys) than rubber-necking at comments from outside the site IMO.
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sircaw
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IT's true, the bastard reported me too.
Jealous of my Good looks and my million dollar smile.
SlimySnake
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So it was you!!!
Lort
Banned
From what the developers of oodle have posted on twitter...
oodle traditionally supports both consoles hardware for decompression .. kracken for ps5 ..zlib for xbox
The latest oodle version needs GPU to decode and uses up to 10% GPU.
maybe those ..Xbox "wasted CU" might come in handy after all...
its great ps5 has licensed oodle for all their developers but according to oodles own tweets theres no specific hardware advantage to ps5 ( other than the raw SSD speed).
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FranXico
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Nah, not you mate. You seem to have a strange love-hate relationship with Sony products. But you tend to be friendly with everybody.
sircaw
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Sony going HAM this holiday:
In comparison to PS4, Sony shipped 7 million by April 2014
In comparison to PS4, Sony shipped 7 million by April 2014
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FranXico
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I agree with this. My post was not referring to outside lunacy, though. I can see why it would sound like that.
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Deleted member 775630
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According to Microsoft it's 90%.
zaitsu
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399 and 499 confirmed. Maybe even lower, but for sure not more
Neo Blaster
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There's a big difference between being real-time on PC and on XSX, I wouldn't jump so fast on that one.
IntentionalPun
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I'm hopeful Sony being bullish on production means a low price but I think that's quite the assumption.
If they can get this thing to $399 without it being a major loss leader, that'll be the engineering marvel of the century.
If they can get this thing to $399 without it being a major loss leader, that'll be the engineering marvel of the century.
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Neo Blaster
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Ah, because multipliers are so much better than actual numbers, so deceptive...
Enjoy the reality check.
This is a Microsoft Engine Architect saying your wrong.
Now if you want to claim Microsoft is lying I can get with that. But please stop acting like I'm the one misunderstanding what they are claiming
For texture data
It's the raw throughput (2.4) * Effective modifier due to compression (2) * Effective modifier due to SFS(2.5) = 12 (
Atleast according to the guy working on it
Thirty7ven
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Are you sure?
Oodle Texture Compression
RAD Game Tools' web page. RAD makes Bink Video, the Telemetry Performance Visualization System, and Oodle Data Compression - all popular video game middleware.
www.radgametools.com
And another bit that might be of interest:
"And of course, it all works incredibly with the PS5's built-in hardware Kraken decoder. "
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SportsFan581
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Ar¢tos
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So 90% of game data is textures and all of them compress to max possible and are always only needed 1/3 of each in the screen at any given time?
No texture is ever needed entirely?
Seems... Unlikely.
FranXico
Member
If that is the price of the disc drive console, I'd be happy.
pawel86ck
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Currently PC and XSX I/O architecture arnt the same (even Dirt5 developer has said XSX I/O is not comparable to current PC), however in the future velocity architecture (VA) components will be ported on PC as well.
I'm not shocked BC game loads equally slow on PC and XSX, because such game is not build to use VA components, therefore XSX has to decompress everthing in software like standard PC. PS5 decompression chip works with zlib decompression as well (PS4 games were using it), so maybe PS4 BC games on PS5 will load with much better speed, but we will see.
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90% of your memory's bandwidth is being used by textures, of that 90% that you get to your GPU only 1/3 is actually used. That's it. SFS makes sure that you would only use 30% of your memory's bandwidth to get those textures that are needed, so the other 60% can be used for whatever you want (probably more textures and models).
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MasterCornholio
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oldergamer
What's your opinion on this claim? Surely a 599$ system shouldn't out sell the PS4 at launch.
zaitsu
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"Build to use VA" - they dont even use RAW speed xD thats pretty crap software fault if you ask me.
MasterCornholio
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With the Diskless being 299$ or 349$?
That seems a bit too low to me especially if the Lockhart is rumored to be priced at 299$.
Just some fun speculation.
It would be very bad for the Lockhart to be priced the same at the PS5 DE. It needs to be cheaper than that system.
IntentionalPun
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I'm setting myself up for a $500 cost per console (buying the disk version of PS5.)
I think that's high enough to where at worst my expectations will be met, but I'm obviously hoping they are exceeded lol
I think that's high enough to where at worst my expectations will be met, but I'm obviously hoping they are exceeded lol
Neo Blaster
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You don't expect a system selling for $499 or more to exceed another that sold at $399, unless they are considering quite an inflation rate or extreme confidence that people will buy their product no matter what, and we are not even including the post-pandemic economic crysis here.
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Deleted member 775630
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It's going to be cheaper, otherwise what's even the point of the Xbox Series S
Sinthor
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If that ends up being true, it would be truly shocking. Just as shocking if MS prices the XSX the same! I mean seriously...with even just what we've seen about these boxes to date, I would assume they were going to be at least $499, and that's with some loss on the hardware. If they can pull this off at $399 (and then the digital only PS5 and 'Lockhart' obviously would be even LESS) that will be no less than stunning. To me anyway.
I'm just waiting for more info and detail PERIOD though. There's still an awful lot we don't know about these systems! Come on!
Sinthor
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I agree. I mean really, let's say the XSX and PS5 are $399. So the PS5 diskless would have to be at least a little less...let's say $350. If Lockhart then is $299.....I don't see how it does very well. Maybe I'm off, but I wouldn't think a $50 price drop for a much less capable bit of hardware would take off in the market.
Now......$199?? THAT I think would have a lot of potential to move a lot of units. I still think this would cannibalize XSX sales to some extent but again I don't think MS cares about that so much. They are looking at ALL the Xbox hardware, including XB1, etc. as the "platform" and as long as they increase how many users they have of the platform, THAT is where they are looking to make the money. At least that's all I can see as I look at all of this information. We will see!
DrDamn
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(*) When streaming data in. Plus from the Jason Ronald interview this isn't something that is automatically exploited. Developers have to design and work to use it, and learn to use it effectively to get that increase.
yewles1
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*sudden Lord of the Flies flashbacks*
Neo Blaster
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You forgot the meme.
Great Hair
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Does HZD not already render close to a million per second on a normal ps4?
MasterCornholio
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Which is why I'm confident that it won't happen.
There's always the chance that the DE took Microsoft by surprise but I doubt it. If anything I wouldn't be surprised if Sony uses the DE to undercut the Series X.
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