lepermessiah
Member
FUD has become a god damn Religion. FUD evangelists.
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thelastword
Banned
I told you guys the OS features will be revolutionary. Sony is leaving no stone unturned, every aspect of the console must be a huge upgrade..... What I am most looking forward to is the teardown of the console, which would show the custom design in more light and also clue us in on the ports included and other bits. Of course equally, and even more importantly is the OS, since it's the interface and feature set we will be using everyday alongside the 'well rumored" revamped PSN.....Sony is going all out with no twiddling of thumbs insight......That Jim Ryan is just a ravenous predator....ODDWORLD CREATOR SUGGESTS PS5 WILL ALLOW PLAYERS TO HELP EACH OTHER OUT MORE THAN EVER
Oddworld Creator Suggests PS5 Will Allow Players To Help Each Other Out More Than Ever
This could very well spell trouble for website and YouTube game guides.culturedvultures.com
kyliethicc
Member
Eh I doubt it. Sony will sell less and less physical copies, why waste the money to start making new cases? They already have the supply chain and materials to make PS4 cases, just reuse them and save cash. Looks like PS5 cases are just PS4 cases with a new slipcover header.
Nickolaidas
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YeulEmeralda
Linux User
I will say one thing about Microsoft: they are trying to completely change how the console industry works.
GamePass, Xbox for Windows, no longer believing in generations, downplaying the importance of hardware, GaaS instead of single player.
GamePass, Xbox for Windows, no longer believing in generations, downplaying the importance of hardware, GaaS instead of single player.
lepermessiah
Member
Spence dog working my cheeks instead of my bell.
Empire Strikes Back
Member
If your product have 3D Audio I guess this is the best way possible of advertising. lolFound this on Facebook, PS5 ad on Spotify
sircaw
Banned
Can anyone explain to me what the hell is going on here???
Am I just a perv an it IS what I think it is... and even then I'm not sure what that is?!
Pure filth and i am not talking about the picture. YOUR MIND
Empire Strikes Back
Member
They already do red cases for PlayStation Hits and it seems no compromise.Eh I doubt it. Sony will sell less and less physical copies, why waste the money to start making new cases? They already have the supply chain and materials to make PS4 cases, just reuse them and save cash. Looks like PS5 cases are just PS4 cases with a new slipcover header.
thelastword
Banned
Man, Hargett is vicious, brutal even, and not just this time alone you see..... Hargett is like the FUD police. Everytime I've seen FUD's ugly critter face pop up, trying to spread germs and bacteria in the media circle, Hargett pops around and deals some brutal justice to these infectious microorganisms. He is like the ultimate Sylvester Stallone clone, unleashed against the FUDfaithful.....Hear ye Hear ye, a cleansing they shall receive...
HawarMiran
Banned
I made this. Does it mean I can market myself as an indie developer ?
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Elog
Member
I should probably not write this but need to get it off my chest.
We have limited information regarding several features for the new consoles - XSX and PS5.
When I read posts here, on the Discord ERA group or that other forum one theme that is recurring is that Sony is not being honest about their new system. That Sony is trying to talk up the SSD or Audio solutions because the PS5 is far behind the XSX in terms of GPU.
The fair take is that we do not fully know the capabilities of the new systems. Secondly, the majority of us do not have sufficient knowledge about the microarchitecture of consoles to be able to assess the importance of low latency high-throughout I/O, how much of a potential bottleneck the GPU caches are, the average utilisation of CUs and what is actually holding them back, the power consumption pattern of a modern GPU and how that relates to bottle-necks and thermal limits and so on.
All we have are the words of team Sony (mostly through Mark Cerny) and team MS (mostly through the words of Phil Spencer).
Now - based on our Dunning-Kruger immersed cooking at these forums - why on earth would anyone bet that Phil is right over Mark? If I knew nothing and just looked at the statements from both of them over the last 5-10 years and checked those statements vis-a-vis actual outcome, no-one in their right mind would trust Spencer over Cerny.
Please note that ultimately we will have to wait for the two new consoles to perform in the real world across a plethora of games and applications to know. But right now I do not understand why people mistrust Cerny - and what makes them trust Spencer so much. I simply do not get it.
We have limited information regarding several features for the new consoles - XSX and PS5.
When I read posts here, on the Discord ERA group or that other forum one theme that is recurring is that Sony is not being honest about their new system. That Sony is trying to talk up the SSD or Audio solutions because the PS5 is far behind the XSX in terms of GPU.
The fair take is that we do not fully know the capabilities of the new systems. Secondly, the majority of us do not have sufficient knowledge about the microarchitecture of consoles to be able to assess the importance of low latency high-throughout I/O, how much of a potential bottleneck the GPU caches are, the average utilisation of CUs and what is actually holding them back, the power consumption pattern of a modern GPU and how that relates to bottle-necks and thermal limits and so on.
All we have are the words of team Sony (mostly through Mark Cerny) and team MS (mostly through the words of Phil Spencer).
Now - based on our Dunning-Kruger immersed cooking at these forums - why on earth would anyone bet that Phil is right over Mark? If I knew nothing and just looked at the statements from both of them over the last 5-10 years and checked those statements vis-a-vis actual outcome, no-one in their right mind would trust Spencer over Cerny.
Please note that ultimately we will have to wait for the two new consoles to perform in the real world across a plethora of games and applications to know. But right now I do not understand why people mistrust Cerny - and what makes them trust Spencer so much. I simply do not get it.
I will believe the games. We have Craig vs Ratchet, Craig vs Miles, Craig's land vehicle vs GTA7
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I made this. Does it mean I can market myself as an indie developer ?
At least you something, but Bo's Blazing Controller (BBC, CEO and Founder) had made some amazing going back to Family Game (NES), the tank game level editor, all the way to LittleBigPlanet. That must count for something, I get plenty of PM's from people thanking me for my tech savviness.
I teach children just for fun, not for the money, but I get paid anyway. Don't mix up my hobbies with my profession.
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jasondefaoite
Member
Has Phil given a technical talk on the XSX hardware? If you go back to the teardown with DF, there was an engineering team there to answer questions. No one should listen to Phil when it comes to talking about how the hardware functions. Even Phil doesn't listen to Phil (the explanation for contradictory statements).
JonnyMP3
Member
I tried to follow the twitter thread, but god help me... The persecution complex is HUGE!
When the "Is it RDNA2 or not" bullshit has been put to bed so many times and yet some people are so desperate to hold onto that little sliver of FUD... It needs to be used as the stick of facts to repeatedly bashed into their heads.
Seriously... Grow up, Gavin.
zubairali2
Member
odium right now
Gavin Stevens
aka odium is cool. I'm sure he's adult enough not to let the internet get to him. i guess lots of ppl still pissed off at him coz of the pigeons I swear, every time I refresh this thread the same shit is on every 10 pages.
"PS5 is RDNA1!", "I'm insider trust me plzzz", "12 TF 12 TF 12 TF 12 TF".
I haven't seen this amount of concern trolling not even in the 360 days when the whole narrative was "oh but if PS3 iz more powarful why game looks better on 360"
Just for the love of god stop with this shit.
"PS5 is RDNA1!", "I'm insider trust me plzzz", "12 TF 12 TF 12 TF 12 TF".
I haven't seen this amount of concern trolling not even in the 360 days when the whole narrative was "oh but if PS3 iz more powarful why game looks better on 360"
Just for the love of god stop with this shit.
farmerboy
Member
Well Sony are still holding quite a few cards to their chest.
Until they lay em out on the table, this "confusion" will continue.
Personally, I still think they'll knock it outta the park. Mind you, they've dragged this out no end though.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
sircaw
Banned
sircaw ! Well I hope you're happy now ... so take your flipper off that report button. You'll get carp-al tunnel ...
targets eliminated................. New targets Acquired
Bo_Hazem
TBiddy
TheGreatWhiteShark
Nickolaidas
Mod of War
ToadMan
R roops67
AeneaGames
We march on to victory.
Ps @X-Fighter reported MIA. unconfirmed kill
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Handy Fake
Member
Swim. Swim on.targets eliminated New targets Acquired
Sleep doctor
Led guy
gamernyc76
Eastwood
Geordiemp
feirr
R roops67
We march on.
thurnishaleygw
Member
I guess that goes to show that we should keep it cool-headed, even if the FUD is so blatantly obvious. Remember guys, when they go low...
XBSX still has 2. From their hot chips presentation.
Moridianae
Member
Well, if Sony is going to make any move prior to Gamescom, I feel it'll have to be announced today. MAYBE tomorrow at the latest. If not, guess it's off til September, maybe even after Labor Day.
Gamescom has 38 titles, but a lot of them may be updates on existing titles as Geoff stated. I feel my excitement waning for next-gen. 7 days until the end of August.
Sony needs to drop something good. I'd like to see even Microsoft drop some stuff showing their righting the ship. This is an agonizing wait.
Gamescom has 38 titles, but a lot of them may be updates on existing titles as Geoff stated. I feel my excitement waning for next-gen. 7 days until the end of August.
Sony needs to drop something good. I'd like to see even Microsoft drop some stuff showing their righting the ship. This is an agonizing wait.
sircaw
Banned
I do like your sense of humor.
yewles1
Member
Has nobody else mentioned yet how huge the leap in raw geometry is compared to last gen? At least a 5X leap at minimum.
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Neo Blaster
Member
All hail Internet's Matts, they seem to be the voice of reason.
zaitsu
Banned
I hope not, UE5 nanites relay on ACEs
SportsFan581
Member
Oh no. I relied on his tech wizardry so I could basterdize it and pretend I know something.
I guess I'm down to just the metroid guy now. First world problems...
Seriously, it's just a temp for Geordiemp right?
lepermessiah
Member
If PS5 has 8 or more ACEs, then what could that mean for power/performance, etc.
kyliethicc
Member
targets eliminated................. New targets Acquired
Sleep doctor
Led guy
gamernyc76
Eastwood
Geordiemp
feirr
R roops67
We march on to victory.
Ps X-fighter reported MIA. unconfirmed kill
RIP
sircaw
Banned
Oh no. I relied on his tech wizardry so I could basterdize it and pretend I know something.
I guess I'm down to just the metroid guy now. First world problems...
Seriously, it's just a temp for Geordiemp right?
Like a lingering fart, he will return,
your nostrils will inhale his presence once again,
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I think both consoles will have 2.
Scheduling was improved in RDNA.
The reason for 8 ACE in GCN was the lack of a good scheduler, that can fill all the pipelines. That's why RDNA IPC grew so much over GCN.
SportsFan581
Member
Once we find a way to monetize it, all bets are off.
chilichote
Member
Presumably this makes a much better version of this:
PS4's Asynchronous Fine-Grain Compute GPU: What the Heck Can it Do?
www.dualshockers.com
I don't know how much that affected the PS4's performance or whether it was used a lot at all.
But if Sony makes it even easier for developers to access it, who knows what they'll conjure up from it^^
SportsFan581
Member
Wouldn't they need them for back compat or no?
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I don't think that access was that direct.
But even if they do have 8 instead of 2 for BC I don't think it will improve things.
And they can always emulate more on library/driver level.
zubairali2
Member
now that things have calmed *a little*
happy birthday to jesus himself, mark cerny!
happy birthday to jesus himself, mark cerny!
Erm yeah I think, and that you already knew what I'm thinking then welcome to the club
Question is how was did this pass Sony's prudish standards? Or is this really from the Crack-Down gameplay, cos the name sure fits
...Oh where is my mind (
)... cue the Pixies song
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
This person doesn't know anything either. Next week, the week after, no one knows anything. I doubt it's this week. I'll go that far. I do think that Sony and Microsoft know this is really starting to agitate hardcore customers. Core customers and even those hoping to give something special for the holidays might start to get agitated soon.
bhunachicken
Member
I reckon Sony and MS are going to pull an Apple and reveal the price 4-5 weeks before release. Right now, both companies are ramping up production to bury retail under an avalanche of units.
I'll just wait a few months. Should have enough cash by then, too. Just have to keep putting those pennies in the jar.
(ring ring! ring ring!)
Me: Hello?
Phone: Hello, it's the tax man here, calling from HMRC.
Me: (eep!) What's up?
Phone: You're getting a tax refund of a few thousand quid*. Enough to buy a bunch of PS5s.
Me: Get in!
(* - no, really - this actually happened this morning! LOL!)
I'll just wait a few months. Should have enough cash by then, too. Just have to keep putting those pennies in the jar.
(ring ring! ring ring!)
Me: Hello?
Phone: Hello, it's the tax man here, calling from HMRC.
Me: (eep!) What's up?
Phone: You're getting a tax refund of a few thousand quid*. Enough to buy a bunch of PS5s.
Me: Get in!
(* - no, really - this actually happened this morning! LOL!)
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