IMO I don't think old games helps to sell a new platform.
Wow that is quite a leap man. I never said anything negative about PS5 performance. Only that under all circumstances the XSX|S has the same performance profile. The context was 'boost clocks'. Selling point was not about sales but as positive attribute. The PS5 will be fine bro I bought one too relax.
Yeah exactly; it all boils down to what their targets are, for GamePass, and for their ability to sell xCloud as a service to publishers (and Sony, since that's kind of in their plans.)
Your point considers the userbase for all these platforms to be the same, which are not. Console gamers are different from PC gamers, which in turn are different from mobile gamers. MS is trying to use the same solution to all them hoping it works, but it's a risky bet.
That's what I'm wondering too. Nadelle keeps talking about billions of gamers and I keep thinking, those billions aren't going to be into console games. Mobile games have those billions already covered.
The people streaming xcloud on their phone are Xbox users who are playing it for the novelty factor. I highly doubt MS snags any mobile-only gamers with this service.
It really has to be the most mind boggling of statements, like:
I was one of the best tester on XCloud on iPhone... it has only MCC to play and I synced my Dual Shock 4 to play.
I have the same opinion about gamepass and mobile userbase, but I think it will thrive on platforms resembling consoles, like smart tvs. I'm eagerly waiting to test xcloud app on my tv.
Tin foil hat theory. Ok, so you guys remember that story a few weeks ago about xbox series s being the best selling console in India for like a week? Series s sold because playstations were completely sold out pretty hollow victory and random right? Isnt MS CEO from India? I mean with all the fake news and smears against playstation lately and infinite number of puff pieces about xbox, is out of the realm of possibility Team Xbox paid to have that article about India written so so Phil could show Nadella how great xbox is doing in his home country?
nah, if the sales are great then it will get a sequel no matter what the score.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong I was just pointing out that seems to be their strategy this gen, they are trying something different, like you say could be risky or could be a success.. who knows
Not sure if it counts, but:
Your words...
This is a genuinely great point. If you listen to xbox centric podcasts this generation is already over and MS is the clear winner thanks to gamepass. Sony and nintendo, despite both seeing record success at the moment, are already old news. This is after Stadia bombed, Luna was still born, and to a lesser extent PS Now really ever took off. Game streaming and rental services have been tried numerous times by multiple companies and every single time it ends the same way. Can Microsoft brute force their way and FORCE it to work using the warchest meme? Maybe? But when your brand new console is going to be look at another 2:1 generation after youve spent billions investing already is that a road investors want to continue going down? Who knows.
Technically drive club got a vr game too. ;p
Eh.. that's a pretty poor bastardization of what Spencer said lol
I wonder why MS seemed very keen to stress several times during their hardware reveal that their CPU/GPU frequencies were completely locked frequencies and won't adjust according to load or thermal conditions when variable clocks are a better solution. I bet Andrew Goossen is feeling a bit embarrassed now.
Performance as computing performance? Because that's not true in absolute terms. If you have a processor with non variable clocks that maximizes it's frequency on a given power envelope, you can't have better performance with variable clocks because frequency cannot go higher, only lower.
He was talking about Series X|S not having AAA, not specifically Microsoft published AAA games. But I'm sure you already know that and you are just trolling, as always
That is not how processor frequencies work.
When processors are created you use a workload range and compute the maximum and minimum power envelopes that would support that for a given frequency. It's obvious you don't choose one or the other without taking everything into account, I thought I didn't need to tell that.
People need to understand when you fix a clock you are just used the very mininum base of what the chip can work in all scenarios... so it won't ever go below that.
You are totally right now.I love how most posters here have so much knowledge on computer science. I was obviously wrong and don't know anything on the subject
I love how most posters here have so much knowledge on computer science. I was obviously wrong and don't know anything on the subject
If we knew the actual number of XBL Gold subs it would be much easier to see the trajectory. I'm pretty sure a large portion of the current GP subs are converted Gold accounts. I'm guessing the Gold Subs are likely in the 20-25M range.
did you just say get past 50M subs?
Xbox has 44% more CUs and roughly 20-25% more silicon. They cant just go with variable clocks without upgrading their cooling solution as well which is likely operating at peak capacity as it is.
It's not really that simple. Mobile games are made specifically for touch screen and for quick in and out play. Most mobile games you don't even need sound to play them. Merging two completely different types of gaming and gamers together isn't going to be as simple as tossing xcloud on a phone with some touch controls. Console games will have to be changed and adapted to work on mobile which some console gamers here may not like.
I'm being generous, my main point is Game Pass subs will stall at some point and that's when we'll see what MS has in mind for squeezing their current subscribers. 50 was just a number I threw out. It could be 25 or 30 who knows.did you just say get past 50M subs?
Did I just enter the twilight zone? They can barely sell 50M consoles in 1 gen and we're talking 50M subs for this service at full price?
But that's not true. I've been involved in designing processors in fact and you compute a maximum frequency by using an expected maximum workload. It's an estimated measure, that's true, and you don't set the frequency to satisfy that power envelop, you always leave room to breath, but you can really be confident on it being a maximum frequency. So, hypothetically speaking, if you could guarantee that frequency could be maintained without problems (heat dissipation degradation for example) having the processor working at that fixed frequency would be more performant (computationally speaking) than having a variable frequency. That's what I was saying, theoretically it's not always true that a variable frequency processor is more performant than a fixed frequency processor.
It's obvious it doesn't require "advanced computer science", you talking about this is a good example of that. Having said that, I'll now stop being an "arrogant twat"
Id be really curious to see the actual xbox vs PC gamepass subs numbers. I wouldnt be surprised if the majority of subs were on PC. Xbox console only has a finite number of potential subscribers, if theyre going to get to these 50 million plus numbers theyre going to have to go hard after PC users. I think the Series S was supposed to be their ace in the hole for expanding market share but at the current moment it seems like an undesirable product. Its going to be an even harder sell once the ps5 digital has a price cut and if there really is a switch 4K. I wonder if the smart play for ms wouldve been just make the series x 399 and never have had a series s?
They are doing that for entirely different reasons than "variable frequency processors being more performant than fixed frequency processors" though.
Problem is gamepass on pc is trash...not because of the selection but actual implementation.
There is no doubt in my mind MS is looking to use Steam to bloat their Game Pass numbers. Steam gamers will literally purchasing anything as long as it's on that platform. If they find a way to make Game Pass a purchasable product on Steam they definitely can run with those and hide it within all Xbox Game Pass subs.
nVidia reason...
Surely valve would get a pretty substantial cut right? Then your paying third parties to put your game on gamepass. That sounds like a pennies on the dollar, razor thin, by the skin of your teeth profit margin. It will no doubt boost subs and maybe thats literally the only number microsoft cares about?
While they are in user acquisition mode that is the only number that matters. Once they get a baseline then they'll start squeezing their Xbox fans. That could be years away though.
You guys and FUD this and FUD that. It's always pretty selective too. XSX smoking? "LOL it's red ring of death all over again!!" PS5 NVME bay not active? "Stop posting all this FUD!!" I was only commenting on consistent performance attribute associated with the Xbox platform. I have no interest is speaking ill of any platform I actually own and play.
