drotahorror
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You should go back and check out Motorstorm Apocalypse on PS3. The storms and weather in that game were amazing and still are 6 years later. Evolution Studios was no doubt some of the greatest wizards in the industry.
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Next-gen Racing Graphics Face-off | (Next-gen means current-gen)
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You should go back and check out Motorstorm Apocalypse on PS3. The storms and weather in that game were amazing and still are 6 years later. Evolution Studios was no doubt some of the greatest wizards in the industry.
AbandonedTrolley
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Yep when it came to racer graphics they were high on the list. Motorstorm:A was also amazing in 3D! Seeing the debris flying towards you from the screen was great. Shame Sony didn't seem to have faith in them any more. DRIVECLUB really needs a little Pro polish or a sequel.
TBiddy
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Using Youtube is almost as bad as using compressed gifs, though. The issue is that when people (from both sides, mind you) starts using cherry-picked gifs to argue whichever game looks better, it becomes a game of who is a better producer of gifs, not a discussion about what separates the games.
I'd advise you to look at my previous posts in this thread. I have time and time again applauded DC for how it looks. DC looks great. But it does have limitations, especially in the IQ department, which is only natural considering the machine it's running on. FH3 also have issues. But as I wrote above, when people start to cherry-pick gifs in 150x150px, any serious talk goes out the window.
If you really want to compare directly, you'd need direct feed from both DC and FH3 (or FM7) in the same weather conditions.
Sebmugi
Member
I think that when Driveclub gives all it has best, it still exceeds the competition 3 years later ... and this is normal for a no open world game in 1080p 30fps
If you like the tropical atmosphere I give you the suite
it is the quiet walkhttps://youtu.be/wa8oPqJKkm0
I will remake one but without the sound of the engine, to hear well the sounds of nature <3
icecold1983
Member
gamersyde.com has a ton of high quality DC videos. no reason to use anything else
MilkyJoe
Member
It would be nice that there is a random localization of lightning a bit like that of DC <3
source fresh 1080p home capture
https://youtu.be/LOvF_flZsZk
This looked way better on my phone.
AbandonedTrolley
Member
That's right
DRIVETEAM!
Good to see you lurking Rushy, should contact a mod about that tag though
Sebmugi
Member
FlutterPuffs
Member
Oh yeah that's fine. There's no denying in terms of IQ Horizon 3 is superior.
Just disagree that it doesn't look good without weather.
TBiddy
Member
I agree. And I'm also glad that you agree that gifs and youtube-videos are more or less useless when comparing.
drotahorror
Member
Apocalypse is so underrated it's criminal. I love it, to me it's just as good as Pacific Rift. It's the craziest arcade racer to exist. I remember importing it from the UK due to the delay in the states (and other countries).
Glad to see Rushy lurkin around here too. Damn I can't wait to see what they're working on.
Fortinbras
Member
Hopefully with a new engine and not Ego Engine.That's right
thelastword
Banned
I don't think Horizon will get there this gen though, especially if it's still hamstrung by XB1. Also, what Evo has done here, speaks a lot about talent than just pure hardware strength..
It's how everything pans out in DC that makes it so great. One thing that really impresses on-top of all the pros in DC is the draw distance and track layout, with so many racers, you don't even see far ahead of the track, in DC the tracks are so expansive that you can clearly see where you need to go from far out. The large track layout also helps the immersion of the weather much more than in typical racers. You actually feel like storms are raging on the sea in DC behind the mountains or that the lightning is striking some distance away or even close, they made all the right decisions to have everything work so well together and look so believable.
Yes, I have it on disc and digitally, but my PS3 went kaput before I could really dig deeply into it, I did play the first couple of races and the amount of stuff EVO put on screen for a bandwidth starved PS3 was simply amazing. IMO, every game in that series was a revelation. I'm still the biggest fan of mud deformation in their first title and their tracks were always large and open...Pacific Rift was truly an eye opener at the time for a tropical paradise racer, the colors, foliage, water effects are still hands down some of the best out there. So yes, they can make dark and dreary atmospheres like in DC, they can make brown muddy tracks like in Motorstorm 1, and they can definitely make a colorful, sun glazing, water-fiesta type racer even before Horizon did it...I still feel the Motorstorm series is one of the best looking racing games to date, notwithstanding, track layout and sense of speed has always been their forte...
Well I wouldn't say it's normal for non openworld 30fps racers, there are quite a few 30fps non-openworld racers that don't light a candle to DC or even GTS at 60fps. That also includes openworld 30fps racers....tooI think that when Driveclub gives all it has best, it still exceeds the competition 3 years later ... and this is normal for a no open world game in 1080p 30fps
If you like the tropical atmosphere I give you the suite
https://youtu.be/wa8oPqJKkm0
I will remake one but without the sound of the engine, to hear well the sounds of nature <3
I still believe we will be awed when a studio really puts some effort into an open world racer (graphically). The large tracks in Motorstorm and DC gives me all the evidence that graphics can look just as good in an openworld, if a talented developer attempts it. I believe EVO can do it and so can Criterion (if they're still alive). Hey, watch what criterion did with a 60fps open-world racer in Paradise. I just never like to give too much credit to open world racers which don't measure up graphically, especially at 30fps...
Anyhoos, got sidetracked
Awesome vid btw. Need to fire up DC again tbh...The engines on those Nissans are roaring quite a storm eh.. Rushy, what can we do for you guys to patch DC on the PRO, can you make a call? and say the internet is clamoring for it?That's right
That's right
Yeah, I though about mentioning your name, but I wasn't so sure it was you who said that on Twitter, or if it was one of the other CM guys I follow, haha.
TBiddy
Member
I think you severely underestimate how much extra work it takes to move from corridor-racing to open-world racing. There's a reason why DC and FM doesn't look very good outside the track-limits. It's not lazyness.
edit:
A lot of people were awed by FH3. Like, a lot. I'm guessing Playground "really did put some effort" into FH3, but I suppose it's on the wrong platform, right?
TheAdmiester
Member
Evo no longer exists, but some staff from the team are now at Codemasters which means yes, future stuff will be multiplatform.
Sebmugi
Member
I spent good times on FH3 on Xone, we see that it is clearly a middle-generation game, the resources are very well used <3
I would like to see the work of evolution studio on a second game with their base create for driveclub .. °__°'
Since ps3 at sony, car games in particular come out with bad timing .. too early (DC) or too late (GT6) which is a very bad thing ..
I would like to see the work of evolution studio on a second game with their base create for driveclub .. °__°'
Since ps3 at sony, car games in particular come out with bad timing .. too early (DC) or too late (GT6) which is a very bad thing ..
I don't think Horizon will get there this gen though, especially if it's still hamstrung by XB1. Also, what Evo has done here, speaks a lot about talent than just pure hardware strength..
look so believable.
and they can definitely make a colorful, sun glazing, water-fiesta type racer even before Horizon did it...I still feel the Motorstorm series is one of the best looking racing games to date, notwithstanding, track layout and sense of speed has always been their forte...
Well I wouldn't say it's normal for non openworld 30fps racers, there are quite a few 30fps non-openworld racers that don't light a candle to DC or even GTS at 60fps. That also includes openworld 30fps racers....too
I still believe we will be awed when a studio really puts some effort into an open world racer (graphically). The large tracks in Motorstorm and DC gives me all the evidence that graphics can look just as good in an openworld, if a talented developer attempts it.
I just never like to give too much credit to open world racers which don't measure up graphically, especially at 30fps...
Anyhoos, got sidetracked
AbandonedTrolley
Member
I spent good times on FH3 on Xone, we see that it is clearly a middle-generation game, the resources are very well used <3
I would like to see the work of evolution studio on a second game with their base create for driveclub .. °__°'
Since ps3 at sony, car games in particular come out with bad timing .. too early (DC) or too late (GT6) which is a very bad thing ..
Being fair, DC came out late as well, but also it came late with server issues, which made the whole problem worse. Their support after that was brilliant though.
Jesus, why pick the blandest, brownest, most boring track available?
thelastword
Banned
What does it matter what track is used .. texture work, effects, lighting,fluidity in motion all looks leagues superior in GTS. Project Cars looks like a mid 2000 pc racer in that comparison.
That's right
God has spoken! Thank you for this!
MilkyJoe
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TheAdmiester
Member
The divide between replay and gameplay is so huge.
Sebmugi
Member
Yet it is with the same graphics engine .. the magic of camera angles
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On the official GT sport page they say this:
The level of detail of cars and circuits may not be perceptible in classic gameplay, but it will give incredible credibility to the replays and snapshots of Photo mode..
http://www.gran-turismo.com/ch-fr/products/gtsport/graphics/
TheAdmiester
Member
Yet it is with the same graphics engine .. the magic of camera angles
It's more like the advantage of heavy application of some good DoF and motion blur shaders. There's a reason that replays are only 60FPS at 1080p on a Pro.
It just wasn't a lot of fun to me. Too much stuff to run into and stop your forward progress once you got to a certain point in the game.
LostDonkey
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MilkyJoe
Member
Yet it is with the same graphics engine .. the magic of camera angles
Edit
On the official GT sport page they say this:
The level of detail of cars and circuits may not be perceptible in classic gameplay, but it will give incredible credibility to the replays and snapshots of Photo mode..
http://www.gran-turismo.com/ch-fr/products/gtsport/graphics/
I've seen it all now.
Sebmugi
Member
It is true that this adds charm and more cinematographic rendering to the whole, but the bulk of the rendering comes from the game engine anyway
MilkyJoe
Member
That's looking great, love the looking into the corners that PC has. Will be picking this up day 1.
Yet it is with the same graphics engine .. the magic of camera angles
Edit
On the official GT sport page they say this:
The level of detail of cars and circuits may not be perceptible in classic gameplay, but it will give incredible credibility to the replays and snapshots of Photo mode..
http://www.gran-turismo.com/ch-fr/products/gtsport/graphics/
onemanasylum
Banned
What is it about GT that brings out the crazies?
There is no need for personal insults and "Ignorance"..I have played every racing game this gen bro..and digital foundry disagrees with you. If it looks that bad for you your PS4 is broken. Look in the mirror about ignorance and before throwing stones. You are not the only guy on the planet that has played other racing games on other systems.
There is no need for personal insults and "Ignorance"..I have played every racing game this gen bro..and digital foundry disagrees with you. If it looks that bad for you your PS4 is broken. Look in the mirror about ignorance and before throwing stones. You are not the only guy on the planet that has played other racing games on other systems.
MilkyJoe
Member
I know right, that's crazy talk from the official website.
draughn101
Member
The "looking" in this vid is VR. The console/PC versions have a helmet cam that looks to the apex and corner exits automatically. It's pretty great.
Fixed
Well I'm sure if you asked yourself that question you could get an answer, or one you want to hear.
Mhmm...
Inf3cted_b3ast
Member
That's right
Rushy what can we do to get od Pro patch for DC? I'd pay for one to be honest with you.
Has everyone seen this side by side comparison of F6 and GTS?
The lighting, exterior AND interior models, background and sound are all so much better in F6. I was especially surprised with the interior..I remember seeing all those promo shots of GT6's interiors and how they got those materials so right. Here in this video it looks so flat in GTS. Specifically, the AC vents and dash.
Then I saw some replays of GTS and F6, and its very clear that GTS nailed the replay graphics.
Also, some other videos of GTS's gameplay looks really great (exterior models).
Opinions?
Video Here
The lighting, exterior AND interior models, background and sound are all so much better in F6. I was especially surprised with the interior..I remember seeing all those promo shots of GT6's interiors and how they got those materials so right. Here in this video it looks so flat in GTS. Specifically, the AC vents and dash.
Then I saw some replays of GTS and F6, and its very clear that GTS nailed the replay graphics.
Also, some other videos of GTS's gameplay looks really great (exterior models).
Opinions?
Video Here
MilkyJoe
Member
Yeah was a great part of the first game too. Looks amazing for VR too
Sebmugi
Member
I think we have to wait for the final game so that the comparatives are worthy of the name
Uh... yes, even in gameplay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw0ixlWUsRQ
That track in PCars 1 looks like shit. Have they shown it in the new game? It needs massive upgrades.
MilkyJoe
Member
We'll have to agree to disagree
draughn101
Member
I just jumped back into PCars 1 and that is one of my favorite features. It takes a few laps to get used to it, but it is much easier to drive with a controller that way. Fanatec/Sony better work out their beef before Sep. 22.
MilkyJoe
Member
Yeah really great, unfortunately the missus goes bananas when I play PC because of the sound effects, especially as I mostly play Formula A, so I've not had a go in ages.
Anyone else feel wired as fuck after playing Formula cars, due to the speed and concentration needed?
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