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Next-gen Racing Graphics Face-off | (Next-gen means current-gen)
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icecold1983
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then you have bad eye sight/arent able to discern differences in IQ well. you probly also think smaa looks just as good as msaa/taa
I´m not expecting a better Image Output, but an upgrade through a larger screen and better color-presentation through the TV itself.
"Crap" would mean it will look objectively worse than it does on my old Screen. Or is that what i can expect with a modern 4K Screen? (Serious question)
1080p to 4k is 1:4. It fits perfectly.
1080p often looks better @ 4k with TV post-processing.
icecold1983
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it will look worse on a 4k screen than on a 1080p screen
dont take advice from anyone who says something like the above quoted post. all the 4 to 1 means is it wont exhibit scaling artifacts. you will still have the blurriness, fuzziness and added aliasing/shimmer that comes with upscaling
Don't take advice from this guy.
Mate, I've seen it for myself on many occasion, I've played FH3, FM6 and OW on a 4k screen and they all looked a bit better compared to my 1080p TV.
I prefer using a monitor though, so I'd say they all look better on my 24" curved 1080p monitor.
720p "scales" just as well as 1080p does on a 4K screen. 720p would scale by a clean factor of 3, whilst 1080p scales cleanly by a factor of 2. Both will still look pretty shit when compared with resolutions more suited to the display (and especially at the sizes people are starting to buy them in). 540p would scale well to a 1080p display... That doesn't mean you'd want to be looking at it even as far back as 2005.
A larger screen would make a game look worse at the same resolution. Aliasing also becomes more noticeable because the gaps between pixels are reduced on high res displays, so even if the display is the same size, you now have sharper aliasing.
I'm really excited to see their next game. Depending on the direction they take the Evolution team is the only dev able to topple their own previous work and take the fight to Driveclub and Gran Turismo Sport.All the DC talk got me thinking, ex-Evolution's next game should look absolutely glorious now that they'll be on PC too and can go for the same awesome graphics without having to add blur to hide the low fps. I think we might get another "But can it run Crysis?" situation. Can't wait!
It's going to be a visual masterclass.
Maybe you should consider some of your own medicine...
...because in this particular case, they clearly don't.
LostDonkey
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To my eyes Project Cars 2 is the clear winner so far from what I'm playing (Vs Forza 7) Both on PC.
Can't wait to try GT:S.
Can't wait to try GT:S.
720 would look bad on account of being so low res though, regardless of it's clean scaling (the same as your 540p example) 1080p looks fine on a 4k TV though. not better than native 4k (duh)...not as good as native 4k (duh)...just fine.
...and if you're benefiting from HDR, you could argue it's a more appealing image too.
So in the end, the Pro would be quite useless too, because if i remember correctly, a lot of the games don´t offer a true 4K-resolution or you have to choose between 1080p with better visuals/framerate or 4K...
icecold1983
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so 1080p is the cutoff where its totally fine? jesus
AbandonedTrolley
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No as most of the time it uses CB rendering to get to 4K which is a pretty good solution to not being native.
icecold1983
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or upscales from a much higher res than 1080p
The HDR would definitely be a plus, yea. That's a separate thing from the resolution, but could cause the game to look more pleasing overall.
720 is only "so low" today because of higher resolutions. When we were used to 480p and 480i screens, 720 seemed great by comparison... which was also helped by basically nobody playing the games on a 65" screen. 4K TV's are corresponding with TVs becoming bigger... so yes, whilst 720p will always end up looking worse than 1080p, 1080p itself is becoming insufficient resolution also. That it scales cleanly to 4K only help prevent the situation being any worse... but you'll still get more defined aliasing even at the same screen sizes. And you'll very likely be adjusting to higher resolutions that will make 1080p look comparatively worse, just as all prior resolutions have over time.
No, the Pro wouldn't be useless. Whilst having a native image is preferable, higher resolutions are still higher resolutions. On a 1080p screen you'd rather have a game running at 720p than 540p, and it would look better than a 480p game on a 480p screen of the same size would.
The Pro has a lot of games that either checkboard to 4K (at which point you may well be unable to notice the difference between it and native 4K), and also games with resolutions that fall inbetween, like 1440p or 1600p etc. Those would kinda be the 900p of today, and would still be far better than playing a 1080p game on the same screen.
One of these is graceful.from the other thread
Forza 7 (can't be bothered to make a better gif at the moment, but it's enough to have an idea)
When the time comes the comparisons could turn Digital Foundry inside-out.
AbandonedTrolley
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Pro gives a lot to VR as well if you have that. The increase in that is worth it alone, also you gain extra RAM used at OS/App level and an extra USB port.
Not yet at least
I actually wanted to avoid buying a pro because i hear a lot of negativity towards it around here (loud fans, feels cheap, bad build quality, etc.)
AbandonedTrolley
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Not yet at least
I actually wanted to avoid buying a pro because i hear a lot of negativity towards it around here (loud fans, feels cheap, bad build quality, etc.)
I'm on my second one, not through fault but traded up for the White model. Build quality is pretty solid I feel and I like the look of it. Fan noise I think is a lottery, my original was silent then got loud after about 9 months, this one is as quiet as a mouse.
Inviusx
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from the other thread
Looks insane.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Did it always look like that on the Nurb in Forza or was there a downgrade?
sems4arsenal
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from the other thread
Forza 7 (can't be bothered to make a better gif at the moment, but it's enough to have an idea)
We really need to stop doubting PD.
ethomaz
Banned
I guess you have no ideia how tree looks in GTS.
Show us then
Prithee Be Careful
Industry Professional
Soo whats happening here?
Yeah, some people have been arguing that compressed YT footage might not be the best means to do meaningful, side-by-sides but, well no amount of compression can really account for the differences here... I think, as someone else suggested, a push towards hard numbers for 'True 4K' marketing purposes might have been the culprit here.
ethomaz
Banned
Demo is out in four days... just play it.
Im not saying GTS has perfect trees or something like but compared with the tree in Forza 7 it is in another level.
Soo whats happening here?
What the hell?
Aceofspades
Banned
from the other thread
Forza 7 (can't be bothered to make a better gif at the moment, but it's enough to have an idea)
PD wizardry at work here.
The bolded doesn't make an logical sense though, because the XB1X have in excess of 4x the rendering capabilities of the XB1, and so can do everything and more at native 4K that the XB1 can achieve at 1080p, so there would actually need to be more sacrifices for the XB1 to hold 1080p60 than there would for XB1X to hold 4K60. You can even see evidence of this in the game not only rendering at 4K on XB1X, but having higher graphical settings across the board.
It would be the dynamic lighting and weather elements that would most logically cause the impact, but even then I wouldn't use that to explain Maple Valley, because that simply looks uncharacteristically terrible when compared with most of the game's content. It's like when GT5 had PS2 tracks... as though they legit forgot about FM4, and just plucked it from the FM1 instead lol.
EDIT: Actually scratch that... just looked at FM1, and the trees looked better there too..
These are stills, right?some forza 7 trees on one..
What's up with the tearing...or the lack of quality control?
NullPointer
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Thank you good Sir. Certainly a downgrade, but when the game's moving you'd probably care much less. Always thought crappy trees was the best trade-off in general.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
In a lot of cases that would be true. But not on this particular track where the trees where pretty much its entire focus, and the different colors always drew your attention to them. Even in motion these looks awful and stand out. Elements of the track that aren't trees look fine... but the trees are kinda everywhere.
They should have gone for a more faithful recreation of the track, with more sparse trees that were better looking. Or just not have brought the track back... because holy shit.
ResidentDante
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The best thing about Codemasters Evo is that it's going to be a multi-platform game somewhat free of plastic box console biased shitposting.
The bolded doesn't make an logical sense though, because the XB1X have in excess of 4x the rendering capabilities of the XB1, and so can do everything and more at natuve 4K that the XB1 can achieve at 1080p, so there would actually need to be more sacrifices for the XB1 to hold 1080p60 than there would for XB1X to hold 4K60 . You can even see evidence of this in the game not only rendering at 4K on XB1X, but having higher graphical settings across the board.
It would be the dynamic lighting and weather elements that would most logically cause the impact, but even then I wouldn't use that to explain Maple Valley, because that simply looks uncharacteristically terrible when compared with most of the game's content. It's like when GT5 had PS2 tracks... as though they legit forgot about FM4, and just plucked it from the FM1 instead lol.
EDIT: Actually scratch that... just looked at FM1, and the trees looked better there too..
Not exactly
"Those are the big ticket items, but there's a lot of other configuration that we had to do as well," says Goossen, pointing to a layout of the Scorpio Engine processor. "As you can see, we doubled the amount of shader engines. That has the effect of improvement of boosting our triangle and vertex rate by 2.7x when you include the clock boost as well. We doubled the number of render back-ends, which has the effect of increasing our fill-rate by 2.7x. We quadrupled the GPU L2 cache size, again for targeting the 4K performance."
The game being developed for the 1X and PC has nothing to do with any of this. Those platforms have more headroom at 4K than the XBO has at 1080p. You shouldn't be spreading misinformation like this.
There being specular highlights on the road in FM4 doesn't mean better lighting. I'm guessing the issue with the trees has to do with bandwidth not scaling in proportion to the jump in resolution on the XBO. So alpha textures like some trees took a hit.
Well, ok. It may not be strictly true in regards to every aspect on the console, but in terms of real-world usage, it appears to be holding true (to the extent that even 900p a reseeing a decent chance of hitting native 4K on XB1X).
I'm not sure what specific conditions would cause this to not be the case, but FM7 is apparently not one of them, because the standard model is sacrificing more than just the resolution, which wouldn't make sense if the XB1X's native 4K target was shackling the game.
The road itself in FM4 (and the entire game in general) really abused the specular effects in a bid to look flashier. It's very much the odd man out when placed alongside both FM3 and FM5 onwards, and not in a good way. The effect looked pretty ridiculous.
The fact that you said this tell me that you don't know as much as you think you know.
wapplew
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some forza 7 trees on one..
It's obvious now, Xbox one clearly holding back, MS need to cut off Xbox one and let Turn 10 reach full potential.
Ryu Hayabusa
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AmazingForza Motorsport 7 | XB1 Replay/gameplay
Downpours on Suzuka are nuts. The best is if the storm passes, and you're just looking at all the built-up water with a brighter sky reflecting.
No it hasn't , so far every AAA game I have seen make the jump to native 4K on Xbox One X has shown signs of sacrifice in one way or another but that's not to say that they haven't also had upgrades in some areas.
VirtuaIceMan
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I'm not convinced on the night lighting in Forza though, I've been comparing to F1 2017 and it's really dark and not well lit (example of Yas Marina).
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