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Next-gen Racing Graphics Face-off | (Next-gen means current-gen)

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Behlel

Member
Remij said:
Old enough to know I'd rather have a racing game include dynamic weather and TOD than fancy pit stop animations. Is there a problem with saying that?
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So go buy GT6 that have a true dynamic TOD and a true dynamic weather, not the scrioted event of forza.
 
rodrigolfp

rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
thelastword said:
I think the GTS vs FORZA vid will be quite the eyeopener, at least to those who's eyes have not opened or purposefully closed for that matter....

As it stands...

GTS wins in

1.) Lighting
2.) Foliage
3.) Trackside Detail
4.) HDR
5.) Post Processing effects
6.) Textures and PBR, especially car detailing in and out and tarmac texturing
7.) Draw Distance and DD details
8.) ATD (tire walls, exhausts, brake calipers, headlights, pit crew)
9.) 60fps replays and VR
and of course..
10.) The cars...

+ Menus, UI et al....


Forza wins in IQ

1.) On PC at 4k 8XMSAA and supersampling

However, some PC folk have said that the 8XMSAA on Forza is not that great....Yet, for a game to do 8K 60fps and still muster 8xMSAA says alot about the base game's technical requirements...


I'd love to see a 60FPS at what cost for both games tbh.... in visual form. I think when people are shown a comprehensive video, they would be better able to understand and appreciate the differences.......
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GT wins in reflections too?
 
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Smokey

Member
I downloaded Digital Foundry's 4k files (Patreon member) HDR files for GT Sport and Forza 7, put them on a USB, and watched them on my B6 OLED.

To me GT Sport has the better implementation of HDR, but Polyphony has always had better lighting than Forza anyway, imo. Both looked good, but Sport definitely had the edge. I've also played Sport by way of the demo, while I'm waiting on Xbox One X to hit next month for Forza.

How does the HDR implementation on Horizon 3 compare to Forza 7?
 
rodrigolfp

rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
bombshell said:
For us to be able to tell if GTS looks a generation ahead or not in the rally stages we need something to compare to. How's the rally looking in Forza 7?
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Is there only Forza on the market?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HltAPD1AW4

bombshell said:
In 60 fps on Xbox One? That's news to me.
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it is on PC.

ethomaz said:
Yes and no...

In static picture the higher resolution reflections in F7 looks better but in motion the 60fps reflections of GTS looks better.

Choose your side.

Both made big compromises in reflections.
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I choose neither one.
 
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cakely

Member
EvB said:
I tell you what I really hate in videogames, perspective.

It's why I mod all my games to be perfectly vertical

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Amazing.
 
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theWB27

Member
thelastword said:
I think the GTS vs FORZA vid will be quite the eyeopener, at least to those who's eyes have not opened or purposefully closed for that matter....

As it stands...

GTS wins in

1.) Lighting
2.) Foliage
3.) Trackside Detail
4.) HDR
5.) Post Processing effects
6.) Textures and PBR, especially car detailing in and out and tarmac texturing
7.) Draw Distance and DD details
8.) ATD (tire walls, exhausts, brake calipers, headlights, pit crew)
9.) 60fps replays and VR
and of course..
10.) The cars...

+ Menus, UI et al....


Forza wins in IQ

1.) On PC at 4k 8XMSAA and supersampling

However, some PC folk have said that the 8XMSAA on Forza is not that great....Yet, for a game to do 8K 60fps and still muster 8xMSAA says alot about the base game's technical requirements...


I'd love to see a 60FPS at what cost for both games tbh.... in visual form. I think when people are shown a comprehensive video, they would be better able to understand and appreciate the differences.......
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I think the most amazing part is your ability to raise your bias on a consistent basis. The fact you mention 60fps relays and not how Forza out performs gts says it all.
 
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TheAdmiester

Member
theWB27 said:
I think the most amazing part is your ability to raise your bias on a consistent basis. The fact you mention 60fps relays and not how Forza out performs gts says it all.
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That's why list wars are dumb. It's very easy to be selective about what you compare on and make one look way more lacking than the other.
 
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bombshell

Member
MilkyJoe said:
In general.
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You must have an example where I have brought it up comparing it favourably to a 60 fps racer, otherwise why use it as a rebuttal to save face for you doing that?

Then again you are one of if not the only poster in here to stubbornly insist that Forza 7's lighting is more realistic than GT Sport's, so I'm not surprised that you failed to see my post as the bait it was. I knew you could not resist bringing up FH3.
 
MilkyJoe

MilkyJoe

Member
bombshell said:
You must have an example where I have brought it up comparing it favourably to a 60 fps racer, otherwise why use it as a rebuttal to save face for you doing that?

Then again you are one of if not the only poster in here to stubbornly insist that Forza 7's lighting is more realistic than GT Sport's, so I'm not surprised that you failed to see my post as the bait it was. I knew you could not resist bringing up FH3.
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Sure you did, sausage.
 
TBiddy

TBiddy

Member
bombshell said:
For us to be able to tell if GTS looks a generation ahead or not in the rally stages we need something to compare to. How's the rally looking in Forza 7?
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In order to tell if FM7 is a generation ahead of GTS when it comes to weather, we need something to compare to. How's the weather looking in GTS?

Ahh.. I completely forgot. Sorry about that.

Can we please stop with the stupid shitposting?
 
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pixelbox

Member
First and foremost, I would like to take back what I said about GTS. After reviewing the comparison of GT6 and GTS plus other racers, it's clear the amount of time and energy was used to craft this racer. It's undeniably the better looking racer and the shortcuts used were the best choices to maintain it's vision.

And for the people comparing a PC to console well, how much for both?
 
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borges

Banned
thelastword said:
I think the GTS vs FORZA vid will be quite the eyeopener, at least to those who's eyes have not opened or purposefully closed for that matter....

As it stands...

GTS wins in

1.) Lighting
2.) Foliage
3.) Trackside Detail
4.) HDR
5.) Post Processing effects
6.) Textures and PBR, especially car detailing in and out and tarmac texturing
7.) Draw Distance and DD details
8.) ATD (tire walls, exhausts, brake calipers, headlights, pit crew)
9.) 60fps replays and VR
and of course..
10.) The cars...

+ Menus, UI et al....


Forza wins in IQ

1.) On PC at 4k 8XMSAA and supersampling

However, some PC folk have said that the 8XMSAA on Forza is not that great....Yet, for a game to do 8K 60fps and still muster 8xMSAA says alot about the base game's technical requirements...


I'd love to see a 60FPS at what cost for both games tbh.... in visual form. I think when people are shown a comprehensive video, they would be better able to understand and appreciate the differences.......
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you forgot to mention that GTS has a bigger penis also.
 
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emjot

Member
cyen said:
Tired? potathead was very specific in his post.

In fact, i think you, potatohead and thelastword are the same person.
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Haha, that's gold.

But I think it is moree of a Split situation with 8 personas from both sides arguing with each other.
 
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DD

Member
thelastword said:
I think the GTS vs FORZA vid will be quite the eyeopener, at least to those who's eyes have not opened or purposefully closed for that matter....

As it stands...

GTS wins in

1.) Lighting
2.) Foliage
3.) Trackside Detail
4.) HDR
5.) Post Processing effects
6.) Textures and PBR, especially car detailing in and out and tarmac texturing
7.) Draw Distance and DD details
8.) ATD (tire walls, exhausts, brake calipers, headlights, pit crew)
9.) 60fps replays and VR
and of course..
10.) The cars...

+ Menus, UI et al....


Forza wins in IQ

1.) On PC at 4k 8XMSAA and supersampling

However, some PC folk have said that the 8XMSAA on Forza is not that great....Yet, for a game to do 8K 60fps and still muster 8xMSAA says alot about the base game's technical requirements...


I'd love to see a 60FPS at what cost for both games tbh.... in visual form. I think when people are shown a comprehensive video, they would be better able to understand and appreciate the differences.......
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Is this a parody account? The username makes me think so...
 
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T.O.P

Banned
thelastword said:
I think the GTS vs FORZA vid will be quite the eyeopener, at least to those who's eyes have not opened or purposefully closed for that matter....

As it stands...

GTS wins in

1.) Lighting
2.) Foliage
3.) Trackside Detail
4.) HDR
5.) Post Processing effects
6.) Textures and PBR, especially car detailing in and out and tarmac texturing
7.) Draw Distance and DD details
8.) ATD (tire walls, exhausts, brake calipers, headlights, pit crew)
9.) 60fps replays and VR
and of course..
10.) The cars...

+ Menus, UI et al....


Forza wins in IQ

1.) On PC at 4k 8XMSAA and supersampling

However, some PC folk have said that the 8XMSAA on Forza is not that great....Yet, for a game to do 8K 60fps and still muster 8xMSAA says alot about the base game's technical requirements...


I'd love to see a 60FPS at what cost for both games tbh.... in visual form. I think when people are shown a comprehensive video, they would be better able to understand and appreciate the differences.......
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I'm too drunk for thus shit lmoa
 
ResidentDante

ResidentDante

Member
thelastword said:
I think the GTS vs FORZA vid will be quite the eyeopener, at least to those who's eyes have not opened or purposefully closed for that matter....

As it stands...

GTS wins in

1.) Lighting
2.) Foliage
3.) Trackside Detail
4.) HDR
5.) Post Processing effects
6.) Textures and PBR, especially car detailing in and out and tarmac texturing
7.) Draw Distance and DD details
8.) ATD (tire walls, exhausts, brake calipers, headlights, pit crew)
9.) 60fps replays and VR
and of course..
10.) The cars...

+ Menus, UI et al....


Forza wins in IQ

1.) On PC at 4k 8XMSAA and supersampling

However, some PC folk have said that the 8XMSAA on Forza is not that great....Yet, for a game to do 8K 60fps and still muster 8xMSAA says alot about the base game's technical requirements...


I'd love to see a 60FPS at what cost for both games tbh.... in visual form. I think when people are shown a comprehensive video, they would be better able to understand and appreciate the differences.......
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Biased fanboy post of the whole generation. Lmao.
 
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Bydobob

Member
Wow, Gestault's gif from my clip is pretty legendary at this point. Have the full video to mull over, lots of angles to pick apart in the replay!

As to which game I think looks better, I was seriously impressed by DF's HDR vid of GTS, but it's true Forza 7 can look gorgeous at times too. Not sure how anyone can claim "generational leaps" on either side with a straight face. Thread sure is hysterical though, keep it up chaps!
 
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Christocolus

Member
thelastword said:
I think the GTS vs FORZA vid will be quite the eyeopener, at least to those who's eyes have not opened or purposefully closed for that matter....

As it stands...

GTS wins in

1.) Lighting
2.) Foliage
3.) Trackside Detail
4.) HDR
5.) Post Processing effects
6.) Textures and PBR, especially car detailing in and out and tarmac texturing
7.) Draw Distance and DD details
8.) ATD (tire walls, exhausts, brake calipers, headlights, pit crew)
9.) 60fps replays and VR
and of course..
10.) The cars...

+ Menus, UI et al....


Forza wins in IQ

1.) On PC at 4k 8XMSAA and supersampling

However, some PC folk have said that the 8XMSAA on Forza is not that great....Yet, for a game to do 8K 60fps and still muster 8xMSAA says alot about the base game's technical requirements...


I'd love to see a 60FPS at what cost for both games tbh.... in visual form. I think when people are shown a comprehensive video, they would be better able to understand and appreciate the differences.......
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borges said:
you forgot to mention that GTS has a bigger penis also.
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Lmao XD
 
thelastword

thelastword

Banned
TheAdmiester said:
In addition to potatohead's post (tired or not, it was still a confusion), Fredrik also appeared to be non-sarcastically confused between the two:


(Not blaming you of anything here Fredrik)

Therefore, we have two separate people, ergo "people" itself. That's just from the most recent circle of this argument. There have been plenty of times further back but this thread is pretty long and frankly I just don't care enough about an argument of semantics to find more.


You can say that all you want (and I agree), but it's very likely that some usual suspects will refuse to accept your argument.
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I think you're trying too hard here Admiester, but at the same time, only proving what's really superior in your mind or through concensus or your own eyes....In essence, you want Forza to be compared to GTS because it's better looking and much more accomplished graphically....

Instead of givng us your true take on things through semantics, it will serve you well if you just come clean and admit to it...Yet, even if you don't, I think that might be the clearest picture you've painted on these deliberations...


rodrigolfp said:
GT wins in reflections too?
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Well, here's the thing....GT reflections run at 60fps, so does it's mirrors, so for a 60fps game I think that is remarkably more impressive.....It's just like Halo 5's background animations running at halfrate of the in-game refresh, that will be immediately recognizable than say lower polygon models in the distance....I think if you're making a high fps game, it's better to keep everything at a high rate for fluidity.....

In any case, it's already been shown that F7 has some shortcomings with it's reflection resolution in certain scenes, and how does it hold when there are many cars on screen or in dark tunnels when there would be more light sources...well should.... in Forza's case?

cyen said:
Funny that the weather was not mentioned. At least you didnt mentioned animated pitstops as a plus.

Edit: My mistake, you did mentioned pitcrews, oh well..
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Well I didn't mention weather just yet, because weather is coming to GTS and we can't know which is best yet.....On the flip, I don't think VR or better pit crews are coming to Forza 7 on the XBONEX....and surely, these features have already been debated in this thread...FYi, Forza does have pitting, it's just that it's not as detailed or require as many resources as GTS...

borges said:
you forgot to mention that GTS has a bigger penis also.
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Well, I'm not familiar with that particular aspect of things, but if you are privy to the sizes of each.....feel free to weigh in on your experiences there....


dr guildo said:
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And here, I give you case candidate #2 , dispelling any talk of worse trackside detail to any other racer in 2017....In a few days, we will have more trackside pics of more locations as well....
 
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TheAdmiester

Member
thelastword said:
I think you're trying too hard here Admiester, but at the same time, only proving what's really superior in your mind or through concensus or your own eyes....In essence, you want Forza to be compared to GTS because it's better looking and much more accomplished graphically....

Instead of givng us your true take on things through semantics, it will serve you well if you just come clean and admit to it...Yet, even if you don't, I think that might be the clearest picture you've painted on these deliberations...
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I have literally never read a more ironic post in my life. Nice job.
 
J

Joystick

Member
Geezus, I don't know what I expected but please try to be civil.

This is supposed to be a graphics face off thread. Might help to read the rules in the OP. State the game and photo mode/gameplay at the least - platform would be good too where that isn't obvious, and beta/demo/release would help.

It has been good to see the best and the worst that the games have to offer. Every game will have trade-offs. No problem showing the ugly bits and everyone has their own opinion of what looks good and what doesnt, so I'm not right and you're not right (or conversely I'm right and you're right).

If you're going to stake a claim then at least put some thought into your posts. Why do you think your image of game X has some gfx feature that looks better/worse than game Y?

I'll have a go in the coming week doing some specific comparisons.
 
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