I haven't really played CT much but I really wouldn't mind Crono being in Smash. Unfortunately, SE doesn't really give a shit about anything other than FF (ESPECIALLY)/DQ/KH.
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I haven't really played CT much but I really wouldn't mind Crono being in Smash. Unfortunately, SE doesn't really give a shit about anything other than FF (ESPECIALLY)/DQ/KH.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I simply mixed two and two though, the "why Snake/Sonic got in" and "my rules of 3rd parties" involving the devs.
No one commented on the topic of Sheriff in regards to a possible "surprise" character, so I will just repeat what I wrote:
As for Sheriff, I am talking about the titular character from the Nintendo arcade game, Sheriff. Sheriff is probably Nintendo's first video game character, debuting in 1979, one year before Mr. Game & Watch, and two years before Mario and Donkey Kong. It would be interesting to have an Wild West sheriff character in Smash Bros., however, considering an important part of Wild West sheriffs is their revolver guns, perhaps he is not viable. Though maybe he could be given a NES/Famicom zapper that is the size of a revolver and have it shoot energy bullets instead of actual bullets?
As for Sheriff, I am talking about the titular character from the Nintendo arcade game, Sheriff. Sheriff is probably Nintendo's first video game character, debuting in 1979, one year before Mr. Game & Watch, and two years before Mario and Donkey Kong. It would be interesting to have an Wild West sheriff character in Smash Bros., however, considering an important part of Wild West sheriffs is their revolver guns, perhaps he is not viable. Though maybe he could be given a NES/Famicom zapper that is the size of a revolver and have it shoot energy bullets instead of actual bullets?
The big problem with Sheriff, as you mentioned, is that realistic firearms are not something that Sakurai would consider for Smash Bros. Without that, Sheriff is essentially worthless, and I don't think the NES Zapper would fit his character at all (both aesthetically and the fact that Sheriff is an arcade game that precedes the Zapper by five years).
EmCeeGramr
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Pull a Sonic Generations and allow both Classic and Modern versions of many characters. Modern Mario/Kotabe-style Mario, Skyward Sword or Wii U Link/NES Poofy Hair Link, etc.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Wouldn't this affect hitboxes and such? I dunno if there's any need for old versions of many Nintendo characters anyway, except for Link (which is different anyway, given the fact "Link" is like 8 different characters).
I'd rather everyone just get a alt costume like Wario. I mean, dang. Wario got an alt. That way we could Doctor Mario, Dry Bowser, TP Link, Mr. L, Roy, etc... without wasting character slots.
This is the best I can think of for an unconventional retro character in the vein of Mr. Game & Watch and R.O.B.
Instead of the laughing dog from Duck Hunt… you control the duck! They're technically the stars of the game, and they have a trophy in Melee. The name of the character would be "Duck & Dog," or something similar, and you move around as a duck with an AI-controlled dog sneaking around behind you (think Ice Climbers).
However, the duck only attacks directly with its standard attacks — pecking, wing flapping, and stuff like that. Smash attacks see the dog grabbing the bird around the neck and swinging it in various directions, but if you separate too far from the dog, you can't use these (think Olimar).
Standard Special Move - Zapper
The dog fires an NES Zapper as the duck narrowly avoids it by flying up.
Side Special Move - Pounce
The dog crouches and leaps forward at the opponent as the duck narrowly avoids it by flying up.
Up Special Move - Flight
The bird rockets up at an angle as the dog grabs on to its feet.
Down Special Move - Pick Up Scent
If you stray away from the dog, he will sniff around, get excited, and run back behind the duck.
Final Smash - Duck Hunt
Like Snake's Final Smash, a reticle appears over the screen and you fire a Zapper. When the animation begins, the dog jumps off-screen and the duck begins flying around the stage controlled by the AI. If you accidentally hit the duck, the Final Smash ends prematurely. Otherwise, shoot the opponent(s) as much as you can in the allotted time.
Instead of the laughing dog from Duck Hunt… you control the duck! They're technically the stars of the game, and they have a trophy in Melee. The name of the character would be "Duck & Dog," or something similar, and you move around as a duck with an AI-controlled dog sneaking around behind you (think Ice Climbers).
However, the duck only attacks directly with its standard attacks — pecking, wing flapping, and stuff like that. Smash attacks see the dog grabbing the bird around the neck and swinging it in various directions, but if you separate too far from the dog, you can't use these (think Olimar).
Standard Special Move - Zapper
The dog fires an NES Zapper as the duck narrowly avoids it by flying up.
Side Special Move - Pounce
The dog crouches and leaps forward at the opponent as the duck narrowly avoids it by flying up.
Up Special Move - Flight
The bird rockets up at an angle as the dog grabs on to its feet.
Down Special Move - Pick Up Scent
If you stray away from the dog, he will sniff around, get excited, and run back behind the duck.
Final Smash - Duck Hunt
Like Snake's Final Smash, a reticle appears over the screen and you fire a Zapper. When the animation begins, the dog jumps off-screen and the duck begins flying around the stage controlled by the AI. If you accidentally hit the duck, the Final Smash ends prematurely. Otherwise, shoot the opponent(s) as much as you can in the allotted time.
Supermanisdead
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salsa as playable character?
Professor Beef
Banned
salsa as playable character?
That would require them recognizing Mother 3 as a video game. Count your blessings you people got Lucas.
I would be pissed if Travis touchdown got in. No More Heroes is cool and all, but he's a bench player, not an all-star.
Edit: List of "worthy" 3rd party characters off the top of my head:
Mega Man
Pac-Man
Bomberman
Ryu (Street Fighter)
Ryu (Ninja Gaiden)
Simon Belmont
Banjo-Kazooie (sigh)
Slime/Chrono/Old School FF character
maybe Rayman
Edit: List of "worthy" 3rd party characters off the top of my head:
Mega Man
Pac-Man
Bomberman
Ryu (Street Fighter)
Ryu (Ninja Gaiden)
Simon Belmont
Banjo-Kazooie (sigh)
Slime/Chrono/Old School FF character
maybe Rayman
Hot Coldman
Banned
Brawl was basically a love letter to MOTHER 3. :lol A Salsa assist trophy would be nice to see... or just do a Tamzily stage with him in the background.
Supermanisdead
Member
i dont like your tone. i feel like you are pretending to not like mother 3...
MOTHER 3 is great, but people are too often biased in their approach to looking at Smash Bros. There hasn't been a new game in the series since then, so why would a new character be included? Ness and Lucas are the extent of playable MOTHER characters we'll see in Smash Bros. 4.
Professor Beef
Banned
I like Mother 3. I don't like delusional Mother 3 fans.
Perhaps ever.
Itoi (the creator, writer, and director for the Mother games) basically declared the series over.
At this point, the only thing I see in the series future is a compilation game containing all three Mother games.
Besides Mother, I think Kirby and Star Fox are basically complete in terms of playable characters. I think Zelda is too, though there are some that think Tingle or Ghirahim should be added.
Togglesworlh
Banned
Better than delusional wrestling fans!
Besides Duck Hunt Dog and Sheriff, I have not heard any other ideas for another character in the same vein as Mr. Game & Watch and ROB.
I have not heard anyone else in this thread come up with any other ideas in regards to this topic. However, I am certain Sakurai will find something that will give Smash fans the same reaction as Mr. Game & Watch and ROB did.
Yeah, there's definitely no reason to add to the Kirby and Star Fox rosters. They're well represented, and anybody else would feel like filler for the sake of expanding the cast. (I've seen Waddle Dee come up often. Really?!)
I'm not sure why people think Ghirahim has a chance at being playable. The only one-off characters to be playable in Smash Bros. have been the main characters of their games (Ness, Lucas, Roy, and Ice Climbers). Ghirahim's no different than a character like Zant or Midna, but I suppose some people never learn. He's good Assist Trophy material and nothing more.
Professor Beef
Banned
There's nothing delusional about a twice-dead wrestler who used to be a bad-ass biker taking on a blue-blood narcissist who married the boss' daughter and is now primed to take over the company!
Togglesworlh
Banned
CASE IN POINT, MY FRIEND
There are also some that say Mario is complete too.
Basically, the only two veteran series that really need characters added to them at this point are Metroid (Ridley) and Donkey Kong (K. Rool and/or Dixie Kong). I would also say F-Zero needs a newcomer (Black Shadow or Samurai Goroh), though there are some that feel that the series being in hiatus since 2004 means it should be skipped over again.
Kid Icarus might be worthy of a newcomer or two depending on how well Uprising does and how it is received (as well as how much Palutena and Medusa are requested for Smash 4).
Basically, the only two veteran series that really need characters added to them at this point are Metroid (Ridley) and Donkey Kong (K. Rool and/or Dixie Kong). I would also say F-Zero needs a newcomer (Black Shadow or Samurai Goroh), though there are some that feel that the series being in hiatus since 2004 means it should be skipped over again.
Kid Icarus might be worthy of a newcomer or two depending on how well Uprising does and how it is received (as well as how much Palutena and Medusa are requested for Smash 4).
Nocturnowl
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Exactly, now delusional would be believing that said event will actually deliver.
As for the sheriff idea mentioned earlier, no thanks, it would be a overly retro homage that no one would really care for, I wouldn't even know about Sheriff if it weren't for Wario Ware.
Hot Coldman
Banned
That sounds like Tekken. Who's in charge of the McMahon Zaibotsu nowadays?
Brawl had a good amount of mother 3 stuff, even the Pokey statue and boss, which was surprising. Flint and Kumatora would make good assists too.
As for a character in the vein of G&W and ROB, they could go really weird and have a character that incorporates early Nintendo toys like the Ultra Hand. Not entirely sure if it would work if it didn't originate in a game though.
Professor Beef
Banned
A mysterious Board of Directors. Triple H is right under them as the C
Nocturnowl
Member
I've been enjoying the way Dillon fights and I love the design, sadly he's probably too low key to be playable. But on the other hand if Ice Climbers can get in then I guess he's not entirely out of luck yet.
I've recently got to the point where you get bomb items so Dillon can use them for projectiles.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Professor Beef
Banned
Hogan actually works for the rival company, but they don't make any money so LOL
Hot Coldman
Banned
He's still at TNA? Hahahahaha, good shit.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
K, Dillon time.
Whenever Dillon hits something, he earns ores. When he defeats an enemy he gains more ores too.
B - Claw Spin. A short claw combo which releases more ores than usual.
UB - Russ Copter. Russ appears to carry you up to the sky. Can perform a diving roll attack which puts Dillon in a fully charged Rolling Attack.
SB - Rolling Attack. Rolls while invincible. Charge to gain momentum and speed. Can be followed up with the powerful claw smash with A or a multihit rolling attack with B.
DB - Build Tower. Requires specific amount of ores. Pressing near existing towers will upgrade them. Basic -> Shotgun -> Gatling -> Cannon. Can only upgrade with full health tower, as performing this on damaged tower will repair it instead.
Final Smash - Arma-Mode. Super armor, powerful rolls, ores come out more plentiful, faster repair/upgrade.
Whenever Dillon hits something, he earns ores. When he defeats an enemy he gains more ores too.
B - Claw Spin. A short claw combo which releases more ores than usual.
UB - Russ Copter. Russ appears to carry you up to the sky. Can perform a diving roll attack which puts Dillon in a fully charged Rolling Attack.
SB - Rolling Attack. Rolls while invincible. Charge to gain momentum and speed. Can be followed up with the powerful claw smash with A or a multihit rolling attack with B.
DB - Build Tower. Requires specific amount of ores. Pressing near existing towers will upgrade them. Basic -> Shotgun -> Gatling -> Cannon. Can only upgrade with full health tower, as performing this on damaged tower will repair it instead.
Final Smash - Arma-Mode. Super armor, powerful rolls, ores come out more plentiful, faster repair/upgrade.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Ookami, that's fucking awesome. Those towers would need to be easily destructible, mind.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Well not necessarily easily destructible, but more on the costly side. It'd be hilarious however if the metagame becomes NO ITEMS DILLON ONLY TOWERS ONLY FINAL DESTINATION
Hot Coldman
Banned
Haha, indeed. You'd need to limit either vulnerability, cost or power, I guess. Or just say he can only have 3 present at a time? Really neat idea though.
Nocturnowl
Member
I fear their edge hogging prowess if it were to happen, but yeah it's a good moveset.
Nintendo should resurrect this as a modern game, it would likely beat THQ/Yuke's recent wrestling efforts, i'm going with the Amazon myself.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Exactly what I had in my mind but only two moves are different. I already announced my support for last 15-20 pages and I really want to see it happens. Few people think he is waste of space and against the concept of Duck Hunt Dog.
Also I already posted the picture of his moveset in like last 25 pages.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Well, if it's worth noting, I think he can't upgrade when the tower is damaged.
Hahahahaha yeah, that'd be fun. It's offset by the fact that he's lighter than usual and his main offense are towers.
Which is sad
This is what I've been saying, they should give it to Next Level Games after the amazing job they did with Punch-Out!!
In the unlikely event that Nintendo resurrects Pro Wrestling, they'll probably have AKI/syn Sophia develop it. They worked with Nintendo on the Style Savvy game, and they obviously have a history with the wrestling genre.
Yeah. There is also the point where Skyward Sword was the poorest selling 3D Zelda in Japan. I don't think Zelda needs a new character.
I wonder if Smash 4 will use designs from the Wii U Zelda instead. Aonuma did say that they wanted to get the next console out by 2014 (which will also be around the same time that Smash 4 is released). I don't think the Zelda team will accomplish that, but I do think Skyward Sword is going to be a much older game by the time Smash 4 will likely release (over three years old) than when Twilight Princess was when Brawl was released (a little over a year old).
Barrow Roll
Member
No More Heroes is unmistakably Wii and Nintendo. And Fire Emblem was pretty much completely unknown outside of Japan but Marth and Roy's inclusion expanded that audience to the rest of the world. Having Travis in Smash would probably boost interest in the first 2 games and would be great promotion if there's a No More Heroes 3 planned for the WiiU. He's also an awesome character, I can easily see why a lot of people would want him in Smash.
However, if he did make it in he'd probably be so watered down so that Smash could secure that T rating and at that point we have to ask ourselves if it would be worth it. I personally don't think Travis has a chance but I still wish for it.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
A attacks for Dillon:
AAA - triple claw attack
side tilts - jab that results in more ores
up tilt - hat smack
down tilt - tail whip
air a - rolling attack like Wolf's
side air a - an aerial headbutt, actually slightly moves him to the side
down a - downward claw swipe
up a - somersault in air
fsmash - dual claw smash that makes him move forward, hit a again at the end of the attack for a powerful uppercut
dsmash - dig on the ground; longer charge means longer ground time, but can pop up immediately by pressing A for an uppercut
usmash - throws hat upward
AAA - triple claw attack
side tilts - jab that results in more ores
up tilt - hat smack
down tilt - tail whip
air a - rolling attack like Wolf's
side air a - an aerial headbutt, actually slightly moves him to the side
down a - downward claw swipe
up a - somersault in air
fsmash - dual claw smash that makes him move forward, hit a again at the end of the attack for a powerful uppercut
dsmash - dig on the ground; longer charge means longer ground time, but can pop up immediately by pressing A for an uppercut
usmash - throws hat upward
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