I think a lot of the issues that stemmed from the Nex7 Launch may have been them having more volume in terms of orders than they expected. It was a bit of a carnival of stupid.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Nexus 4 |OT| Quality for everyone
- Thread starter Blablurn
- Start date
I think a lot of the issues that stemmed from the Nex7 Launch may have been them having more volume in terms of orders than they expected. It was a bit of a carnival of stupid.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Android wasn't even on my radar this year, but that price is incredible. I want the Lumia 920, but damn, this will be like $300 LESS than the off-contract price of the 920. Unbelievable. Have no idea how Google can pull this off.
i know, right? google really set a bar this time.
I think I would pass out if you didn't buy the 920 dude. Haven't you been waiting on it forever?
voodoojohn
Banned
LOL it boggles the mind how poorly informed even your average GAFer can be. Oh well, makes life relatively simple for those who choose to think.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
The 4S was a year ago. Omission of LTE in 2012 is big damn deal.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
Omission of LTE is definitely a big deal. I also don't buy the whole premise google is selling. Fact is, they gave up. They should have threatened to cut off android or something or done anything they could to strong arm carriers. Or figure out a way to offer both or something. But they took the easy way out by just not offering LTE for anyone. I don't look at it as righteous. Just sad. I'll get it this time but if no LTE again next year. Goodbye 
Innnnnteresting...
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Well, since it was announced, yeah. The rumor right now is $650 off contract. I'm not poor or anything, but that is a substantial difference.
Omission of LTE is definitely a big deal. I also don't buy the whole premise google is selling. Fact is, they gave up. They should have threatened to cut off android or something or done anything they could to strong arm carriers. Or figure out a way to offer both or something. But they took the easy way out by just not offering LTE for anyone. I don't look at it as righteous. Just sad. I'll get it this time but if no LTE again next year. Goodbye
Except they were trying to keep costs down, and 99.99% of markets dont have LTE.
Also, they dont have the clout with carriers that Apple does.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
just get the nex4 then get the surface phone when it's out eventually
sorry I don't buy any of it. Their job is to get it done. FOR US. They didn't get it done. Don't let the carriers make you their beeeyitch. They gave up and tried to make it look like they did the world a favour. You can believe that, I just don't.
just get the nex4 then get the surface phone when it's out eventually
sorry I don't buy any of it. Their job is to get it done. FOR US. They didn't get it done. Don't let the carriers make you their beeeyitch. They gave up and tried to make it look like they did the world a favour. You can believe that, I just don't.
It's obviously one of the key reasons why they were able to keep costs down. Doesn't take a genius..
You Are Viewtiful
Member
just get the nex4 then get the surface phone when it's out eventually
sorry I don't buy any of it. Their job is to get it done. FOR US. They didn't get it done. Don't let the carriers make you their beeeyitch. They gave up and tried to make it look like they did the world a favour. You can believe that, I just don't.
Verizon and other carriers that decided that they could handle updates was actively ruining the Nexus brand. I'm glad Google told them to fuck off. When I got my GNex from Bell it was running 4.0 on Bell's custom firmware. Disgusting. I flashed takju onto that bitch for sweet Jellybean goodness. Your average consumer doesn't know how to flash anything though and they would be left hanging, and the Nexus brand would be tarnished.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
It's their fault there is no LTE though. That's the bottom line. If they could put LTE in it you guys honestly think they wouldn't to keep costs down?
Please.
I agree but it was google who cave carriers the power to begin with. And it's biting now for android purists.
I have T-Mobile and where I live there's not a great LTE coverage map from anybody anyway. It's going to be a year or two before it's worthwhile to have an LTE-enabled phone. So yes, this price and spec sheet for the cost are a HUGE win for someone like me...which goes for the other 2 million people around me.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
LTE is everywhere here.
Well the LTE chip itself is 100-200 dollars. It would most certainly have driven costs up.
Yeah, there. The majority of people still don't have that luxury. If it's a deal-breaker, get an LTE phone. For most people, it's a non-issue because LTE coverage is weak as a whole right now. It's also still a big battery hog.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
No one is denying that. I'm saying if they could put out an LTE version. They would have. They couldn't, it's pretty much their fault, it suxxx.
Battery hog thing is debatable these days. Iphone 5 can do it without the battery hit. And that battery is tiny as fuggg.
As for coverage. Like I said. Figure it out. More than one model. Do what you gotta do to offer it. At the end of 2012 when LTE is pretty much a standard on pretty much all phones coming out. It's definitely a BIG omission regardless of any anecdotal reason why it wouldn't be.
So, I was listening to a Verge Mobile podcast a week or so ago, and apparently, AT&T is pretty dumb about this. Not sure if this is true.
Apparently, they separate iphone plans and everything else. So, if you stick a SIM from an iPhone and put it in an Android phone, it won't actually work untli you call AT&T or something.
That seems too strange to be true to me, but that's pretty much what they said :-/
Maybe years in the future when you can have a LTE phone that supports all the GSM bands and LTE bands for most of the carriers simultaneously... But until then I dont see it happening. That update issue with Verizon was fucking embarrassing for them. People with 'nexus' phones waiting fucking MONTHS for updates.
At that point, why not just buy a Galaxy or a OneX? The Nexus phones aren't generally exactly class leading hardware. Mediocre cameras, no MicroSD and whatnot. That Verizon update problem with that GNex needs to be the last time that shit happens, or the Nexus as a brand is a joke. If people don't want to buy it with no LTE, then so be it, but at least there will still officially exist a phone with day 1 updates.
At that point, why not just buy a Galaxy or a OneX? The Nexus phones aren't generally exactly class leading hardware. Mediocre cameras, no MicroSD and whatnot. That Verizon update problem with that GNex needs to be the last time that shit happens, or the Nexus as a brand is a joke. If people don't want to buy it with no LTE, then so be it, but at least there will still officially exist a phone with day 1 updates.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
Carriers are definitely the devil. But that's not a surprise. Google knew that when they decided to get into bed with them. And now it's biting those who like android most (to only prefer stock android and nothing else) in the asssssssss.
The most we can hope is that this nexus phone somehow blows up and becomes super popular. I'll do my part
The most we can hope is that this nexus phone somehow blows up and becomes super popular. I'll do my part
HEyyy aren't you the guy that was crazy about HD-DVD??
I know you like to go against the grain and alll.. but.. Learn from past experiences man... Time to come to android
Well, it's half their fault. It's half the carrier's fault. We have precendence for what happens to a nexus device on a carrier. It wasn't pretty and there was much whining. It sucks that Google couldn't strike a better deal, but it also sucks that the carriers are so shitty. It's fair to feel upset at Google for this, but if I was going to blame anyone, it'd probably be the entities that loves to systematically screw over consumers.
That sucks. Hope I won't lose unlimited data if I do this.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
I blame carriers for everything in life. But the fact is still google allowed the carrier to be their pimp in the android early days. And I'm sure google tried to put LTE on the Nex4 and I'm sure they pimp slapped google.
Carriers are definitely the devil. But that's not a surprise. Google knew that when they decided to get into bed with them. And now it's biting those who like android most (to only prefer stock android and nothing else) in the asssssssss.
The most we can hope is that this nexus phone somehow blows up and becomes super popular. I'll do my part
Lol, Google knows what they're doing. If they do what you're asking for they're just another fish in the sea. What they've done with the Nexus 4 is much, much more bold, and should increase Nexus global coverage several fold. Guarantee tonnes of people will buy this that would otherwise never have had the option to own a super phone. Globally speaking, not just America.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
I was on Android....maybe before you were? Either way its a silly comparison.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
"what they're doing" is taking a righteous stance against the people they gave the power to to begin with.
I could be wrong. What I said could theoretically only apply to AT&T branded Android phones (thus, AT&T could identify their IMEI and match those to the model.)
I have no clue. I have tmo.
The carriers probably couldn't care less about a nexus on their network when they have Samsung and Apple stuff. The Nexii were never great sellers so I guess they have no motivation to cave into Google's demands. Sort of an ironic situation that the Galaxy phones would screw over the nexus phones like that.
That is the only model. No others.
Zombie James
Banned
It's pentaband.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
Indeed. That's why I say it's googles fault. They let carriers in on the android party. Then they let everyone else in on the party. And now everyone is partying except google lol.
Apple strong armed the carriers from the very beginning. Google sold their soul and have been outcasted for it. Samsung sold their soul but they don't care because they're happy selling shittons of hardware with verizon logos on their home buttons. They don't have to worry about OS as much.
Oh cool. That's pretty awesome.
That sounds like poor money management to me.
That's actually not true. They tried to strong-arm Verizon, and that ended up with Verizon laughing in their faces. They went to AT&T and got on their network by agreeing to an exclusivity deal for some amount of time.
Even then, it's pretty obvious tha AT&T interfered with the iPhone on some occassions. For example, youtube over 3G (I believe there used to be not allowed or there was some amount of timelimit)? Facetime over 3G? Wifi hotspot?
-Pyromaniac-
Member
apple did what they had to do though. That's the bottom line. Because stone cold said so. Apple definitely didn't win every battle but they won the war on the power front.
No, what they're doing is ditching something that only 1% of the global market can truly make use of in order to produce a far superior value device that will reach out to a much larger market than if they'd done otherwise. Honestly, if you want LTE why not just buy another phone? You can stick Vanilla android esque ROMs on them anyway if that's what you want.
I know it's only anecdotal but I know numerous teens, low paid employees etc that have already pre ordered this thing and who otherwise would have never dreamed of a phone like this. Then you have enthusiast users swapping their S3's for them, and many switching over from iPhones. Clearly the LTE thing is not the be all end all.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
you think the phone not being on the biggest carriers will allow it to reach more people. Never.
Why bring the cost of the unit up when it only caters to a super small percentage of the whole market? The price of the product goes up and they'll no longer have that price advantage.
At this point expecting Google to have the power with carriers than Apple does is like expecting the next iPhone to have multiple hardware configurations.
"WHAT there's no 5.5" iPhone this year?". Its not going to happen, the direction the two operating systems took is very different. Had they tried the Apple approach from the start with Android, carriers wouldn't have taken to it, and Android wouldn't be where it is now. I'll bet in the future, they stick with this approach, and Maaaaaybe add a LTE radio that supports Tmobile bands only in the future if TMobile agrees not to interfere with updates.
"WHAT there's no 5.5" iPhone this year?". Its not going to happen, the direction the two operating systems took is very different. Had they tried the Apple approach from the start with Android, carriers wouldn't have taken to it, and Android wouldn't be where it is now. I'll bet in the future, they stick with this approach, and Maaaaaybe add a LTE radio that supports Tmobile bands only in the future if TMobile agrees not to interfere with updates.
Your posts continually imply that you think the only country in the world that exists or matters is the US. You need to broaden your perspective and look at the bigger picture.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
so you think being able to sell it unlocked at 300/350 in north america is a bigger advantage in terms of getting it in peoples hands than selling it on carriers? I say north america because it costs even more elsewhere.
and you are drinking dat google koolaid. There is no LTE on the phone because the carriers wouldn't allow it in its current form. Not for any single other reason or excuse google has made up. They took the situation and tried to make it sound like a positive but if you think this was their goal from the beginning you'd be wrong.