If they are able to push enough units they will make the carriers reconsider perhaps and be less awful with their 'branding', bloat and shit.
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Nexus 4 |OT| Quality for everyone
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If they are able to push enough units they will make the carriers reconsider perhaps and be less awful with their 'branding', bloat and shit.
you can get iPhone 4 for free ;p
-Pyromaniac-
Member
there is a much better chance it will fail in relative terms than blow up. But hey like I said, I'm doing my part. I'm just not giving a google free pass for the situation. But I'll still support it.
The 4 is nice and all, but its no Nex 4. No way in heck, hardware wise, and even software wise, the Nex 4 will still be getting official day 1 OS updates 2 years from now, the iPhone 4 wont. Plus the iPhone 4 isn't free, it locks you into a 2 year contract.
Lol, arm chair tech expert here who apparently knows Google better than Google. My guess is their reasoning was sound, and they wanted a mass produced device they could sell globally without any of the carrier gripe or global configuration issues and in doing so greatly reduce costs and pool those savings towards the consumer.
This is literally a ground breaking price for such a device. I'm personally still stunned at how cheap it is for what you get.
From the UK here and own an S3 which I love, but even I'm considering switching. I could get something potentially better in many ways and profit several hundred pounds from the switch. It's insane.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
it's a great price with amazing value. But it's still missing something it should have at the end of 2012 in some form. Like I said, they took the situation and tried to make the best of it. But there is zero doubt they wanted to have LTE on it and went for that first. Got rejected. Did this.
Even I'm saying it's passable for now. Which is why I'm getting it. But if something doesn't change, it won't be passable next year.
I still dont get why they take so long to update the androids >.< even samsung takes while, then the carriers take awhile...
I mean, it cant be that hard... is it laziness? Or is it actually difficult? Maybe Google should focus on making updates seamless?
One of the main things I love about my nexus 7 is that it gets shit quick. And its the main reason I want the 4, I dont have to wait half a year for an incremental update...
I mean, it cant be that hard... is it laziness? Or is it actually difficult? Maybe Google should focus on making updates seamless?
One of the main things I love about my nexus 7 is that it gets shit quick. And its the main reason I want the 4, I dont have to wait half a year for an incremental update...
-Pyromaniac-
Member
carriers don't care, that's why. And they're evil. They'll hold back an update just to use version number as a selling point for a newer device. They gain absolutely nothing from these updates.
The carriers are not only the reason android can't seem to update on every phone not named nexus, but also the reason all these shitty skins exist.
It was a joke.
There is no debate between iPhone and cheaper model like N4. people don't understand apple business model. its not made to sell most. It's made to make the most money, they achieve that with form and ecosystem .
apple doesn't cater low end price market. that is not there model. If Samsung or google takes 100% of that, apple won't give a damn.
criesofthepast
Member
Just to be clear, the nexus 4 doesn't come with all that shitty hardware company bloatware like the samsung galaxy, does it?
This is a google phone just made by LG? No LG branding on the OS at all? Just stock android? I don't know much about the nexus brand.
This is a google phone just made by LG? No LG branding on the OS at all? Just stock android? I don't know much about the nexus brand.
yeah it's just clean, stock android.
ComputerMKII
Banned
You answered your own questions.
criesofthepast
Member
I wasn't completely sure. Sounds good. I'll do a bit more research, put my 4S on Craigslist just to see how many bites and how much I can get for it, and then make a decision on this. By then we'll probably have many gaffers on here with reviews of which I trust more than the tech site reviews.
I hate when people do this. Show me a link that says a LTE baseband chip costs $200. Last time I checked the Snapdragon S4 in the One X and S3 came with LTE integrated into the SoC. The cost of the S4? ~$35. You know what happens when you buy it in bulk?
This was found on the XDA forums:
chrisjcks said:Nexus4 vs galaxy nexus boot time
http://goo.gl/HxI5G
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2
Geekbench seems to show the Nexus 4 power! (but quadrant, antutu etc dont)
Nexus 4 - 1961
IPad 4 - 1757
IPhone 5 - 1571
IPad 3 - 791
IPad 2 - 780
Sources:
http://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpr...xus4-stats.jpg
http://gadgetinsiders.com/ipad-4-ben...one-5/1202085/
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If you look at early scores for N4 vs iPhone 5, the nexus shows its worth with geekbench
Exactly, if you buy from the playstore, it doesn't even have carrier branding at all. No Carrier logos, no bloatware, and day 1 updates. Its just the most pure version of the OS with no baggage.
Build quality has never been an issue. It was always software.
They made a point on the last vergecast or mobile vergecast that it was indeed 100-200 dollars. One of the guys was adamant about it.
Lol OK. Keep believing that.
Unknown Soldier
Member
No, the skins exist because that is how OEMs differentiate their devices. For the most part hardware will be similar between devices in a price range, so software is the differentiating factor. If it was carriers forcing skins, then why do all Samsung devices regardless of part of the world or carrier have Touchwiz? Similar with HTC Sense? OEMs which were weak on software have been marginalized fast, such Motorola and LG. HTC fell out of favor incredibly fast just because Sense was a bunch of bloat which didn't actually add anything useful to Android.
Touchwiz is still pretty tacky and ugly these days but you can't deny that Samsung's video player dramatically outclasses all other players, with hardware acceleration supported for all codecs and containers including mkv, and built-in subtitles decoding from both separate files and embedded subs in mkv. Samsung's music player has a full equalizer and surround virtualizer and it has a feature that scans your music files and sorts them by how they sound and automatically builds a playlist of music that sounds similar to the algorithm. Samsung was the first OEM to put toggles in the Notification shade back in the Android 2.x days, which Google has only now added to Android 4.2. They were the first to to modify the stock browser to add hardware acceleration all the way back in the 2.x days too, nobody else did that. And yes, Samsung are the first ones who added full stylus support and a suite of apps to go with the S-Pen in the original Galaxy Note. Say what you will about skins, but Samsung has added all kinds of good shit to Android over the years, some of which Google has back-ported to stock Android, and they continue to differentiate their products from other OEMs with their software. Now if only they could push out updates faster, I really wonder when or even if the GSIII and GNII will get Android 4.2.
Well feel free to provide some evidence otherwise, I'm open to learning more.
Uh.............
Yeah, there's no way a LTE chip is even anywhere near $100, let alone $200. Whoever is trying to supply phone manufactures with that kinda price would be laughed at and be out of business in Asia.
Mecha_Infantry
Banned
AnandTech said:
Currently reading the AnandTech Perfromance preview and its getting trounced by the iPhone 5
I'm deciding between the two and need to make my decision soon, so this is insightful
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6425/google-nexus-4-and-nexus-10-review/1
My area doesn't have LTE yet, but my GF's does. Grrrrr, this is tough. I love my Skyrocket, but getting official updates from Google is really nice. I've put a lot of time and effort customizing my current phone. Custom ROMs and kernels are nice, but having a Nexus device saves you a lot of trouble.
Decisions....
Decisions....
Its seems that nothing is really utilizing the other two cores then. The browsers and other programs are probably made for two core use and havnt been modified yet for four cores. We going have to wait and see then. Probably a wait till launch day or a few days after.
Unknown Soldier
Member
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6425/google-nexus-4-and-nexus-10-review/2
Read on and you discover that the Nexus 4 might be Overheating and Thermal Throttling for everyone. I don't know if this is production hardware or not. If it is, I wonder if Google is going to get a lot of product returns when the phone overheats and throttles playing games and the owner, who isn't locked into a contract, just sends it back. Also, the battery life seems pretty crummy from Anandtech's testing, especially for a phone that doesn't even have LTE. Anand's testing methodology really beats up a battery too, so I tend to think of their tests as a more realistic worst-case scenario than other sites' tests.
foodtaster
Banned
they should've just lowered the GNexus to $200 and further optimized android.
Good Job Bob
Member
The battery life seems to be quite mediocre, shame.
still better or worse than iphone 4? i didnt see a comparison!
EDIT:
oky, i see it now!
There's not much in the way of LTE in the UK yet and my carrier (Three) won't be getting any until at least 2014 or something, so I'm definitely considering getting myself one of these for Christmas (need to make sure I have enough money for other stuff and presents first, but if I do then I'll almost certainly get one).
I do hope that Google is in charge of releasing updates for it and not LG though - my current phone is an Optimus 2X and still hasn't received ICS.
I do hope that Google is in charge of releasing updates for it and not LG though - my current phone is an Optimus 2X and still hasn't received ICS.
Rayven_king
Member
How much is that sexy ass charging orb
Doing this and am super stoked. I currently have an ancient and dying blackberry 9630 and am paying 90 a month for 3G on it. The 14th can't come soon enough!
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
The battery life seems to be quite mediocre, shame.
Oh wow.
Wonder why they wouldn't chase for higher battery life. I barely use internet on the go though so it might not be a factor.
There seems to be something strange happening with the battery. The LG Optimus G is lasting about 50% longer in battery tests, despite having near identical hardawre specs. Google is releasing an OTA update for Jelly Bean 4.2 prior to the Nexus 4's release - hopefully it'll improve things.
It's not here, please, be informed before you say stuff like this.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
If they fix the battery issue, I might spring for one of these.
I am mighty tired of iOS and some of its most annoying quirks. Will keep checking the news on the Nexus 4.
Bboy AJ
My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
Before I moved to Europe, I never realized just how ignorant NAers can be. LTE is only a factor in the US, maybe Canada. Pyro is being so unreasonable it's not even funny. Okay, it matters to you. That's fine. But to say this is the end of Google or whatever, give me a break. Admittedly, though, you've been taking back your original, very radical point in your last couple of posts. Smart move.
The price is a big deal. It's off contract. If you're buying a phone and locking yourself into a 2-3 year contract, yeah, no LTE is a big concern. But that's not the case here. Google can reasses next year. And they will. Much easier with cache in the Nexus brand than trying to strong arm today with no power. They can't do that right now. The N4 is a baby step in the war of negotiations.
Show me what brand new phones you can buy for $300 these days. I don't even think you could buy the lowest tier POS phone out there for that price. Hell, an iPhone 4 costs much more.
The price is a big deal. It's off contract. If you're buying a phone and locking yourself into a 2-3 year contract, yeah, no LTE is a big concern. But that's not the case here. Google can reasses next year. And they will. Much easier with cache in the Nexus brand than trying to strong arm today with no power. They can't do that right now. The N4 is a baby step in the war of negotiations.
Show me what brand new phones you can buy for $300 these days. I don't even think you could buy the lowest tier POS phone out there for that price. Hell, an iPhone 4 costs much more.
cartoon_soldier
Member
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
As in better or worse?
My nexus 7 probably lasts 6-8 hours using solely for videos.
It's hilarious that this phone is being compared to the latest and greatest high end phones that cost nearly twice as much. It's also amazing that it manages to compete with them. Price wise, its competition is the Galaxy Ace 2, the S3 mini, the HTC One S and other midrange phones, and those phones aren't anywhere as good as the Nexus 4.
Yup. China Unicom should work without any problems.
cartoon_soldier
Member
What I mean is battery life will depend a lot more on the Software than the hardware. I don't know whether Nexus 4 will be better or worse than my S3 until I use it. From reviews it looks like, Engadget did not like it, other reviews says it was fine for normal use.
For all we know current 4.2 software on the phone has some memory leak issues (has happened to Android in the past) causing bad battery life.
If you really want to see battery life, wait for release, in a week XDA will be flooded with people's data on battery life.