Wilson isn't a running QB.
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NFL 2012 Conference Championship |OT| My Brother's Kaeper
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God damn.
By logic that fail mary game should have been a L. So if the niners get beat by the pats. The packers would have clinched the second seed even with a vikings L. But, you know........ :/
He's not a running QB in the sense that he is not an option QB, but he is a running QB relative to his peers. He broke Alex Smith's record for fewest attempts by a 16 game starter. Alex had 445, Russel had 393.
Rushing yards:
RG3 815
Newton 741
Wilson 489
Kap 415
Vick 332
Locker 291
Rodgers 259
Heck, he might have been the 2nd or 3rd best QB in football last year by the end of the season. Game is changing. He's part of it.
Running QBs is not the answer. They are exciting but how much is it actually working and how long does it last? Sure RG3 took a shitty WSH team and turned them into a playoff contender, but he's now injured. Both Wilson and Kap benefit from being on high calibur teams. The rest were either injured multiple times in the year (Locker / Vick) or it didn't really help the team.
You show me a running QB that lasts for more than 3 seasons uninjured.
You put a Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, or Drew Brees on the 49ers and they create a football dynasty. Kap is good and exciting, but a) Can't compete against a true elite pocket QB, b) Won't last 3 seasons if he keeps that up
You show me a running QB that lasts for more than 3 seasons uninjured.
You put a Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, or Drew Brees on the 49ers and they create a football dynasty. Kap is good and exciting, but a) Can't compete against a true elite pocket QB, b) Won't last 3 seasons if he keeps that up
Peyton, Brees and Brady cost $20m a year. Rodgers will too. Kap and Wilson were 2nd and 3rd round picks and cost less than $10m combined over 4 years. Who cares if they can't last 3 years?
It has more to do with Seattle playcalling and Wilson being up for the task. He's indisputably a mobile QB, but he's not somebody in the traditional running QB mold where he can run and also kinda throw.squicken said:
Fewest pass attempts while tying most pass TDs by a rookie, though? Interesting.
Teams not wanting to go QB hunting again.
Yea, what he said.
I know a big thing that hurt the Falcons was keeping that spy on Kap. We had to do it but we got burned for it. Limited his running but opened up Vernon Davis.
Seems like football is going back to the 1940/50's.
What defense is better for a read option? 3-4 or 4-3?
Both have good defenses, maybe an "under 20 points for the win" type game?
Dutch Gronk
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Teams with two top defenses sometimes meet and the game turns into a shootout.
The_Darkest_Red
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I would have been with you prior to this year but I'm honestly starting to think that the Kaep/Wilson/RGIII style QB could be the way of the future. I'm not completely convinced yet but it's hard to look past how impressive these guys have been this year.
Kaep and Wilson do benefit from quality teams, there's no doubt about that, but both guys have shown that they can get it done with their feet or their arm. They are legitimate dual-threat QB's in the sense that they can beat you almost completely with one or the other. Just look at Kaep in the playoffs, the guy destroyed GB by running but then beat Atlanta almost entirely as a pocket passer. Maybe defenses will adjust next year and we will find that this style of QB is more of a fad than anything but at this point I'm really starting to at least sip the kool-aid.
The injury concern is of course valid but considering how durable Kaep and Wilson have been I don't think we have any serious reason to believe that this type of QB has to be much more injury prone than a traditional style QB. Not every QB that can run will be as reckless or fragile as Michael Vick.
What is the "can't compete against a true elite pocket QB" point based on? Certainly not this season, right? And the playoffs aren't really supporting that seemingly outdated line of thinking either, as evidenced by Kaep's performances against GB and ATL (although I wouldn't go so far as to call Matt Ryan "elite").
The real difference with these guys to me is that just because they can run doesn't mean the are always looking to run (like Mike Vick tended to do). That is an extremely important distinction, and it's something that makes them different from what we typically think of when we talk about running QB's. Heck, even Tannehill has the potential to develop as a legitimate QB in the same mold as some of these guys once he gets some weapons, the guy played WR for two years in college and his scrambling ability and decision making improved drastically towards the end of the year.
Fuck Ray Lewis. He has already won a ring! So why is his "story" such a big deal right now?
Why is everybody forgetting the other future hall of famer who has yet to win a superbowl: Randy Moss?
I guess if you're not born-again murderer who publicly starts speaking in tongues after every game, you're not interesting enough for ESPN.
Why is everybody forgetting the other future hall of famer who has yet to win a superbowl: Randy Moss?
I guess if you're not born-again murderer who publicly starts speaking in tongues after every game, you're not interesting enough for ESPN.
GraveRobberX
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If their team isn't in it, it will be boring, c'mon man
I really think this will be a stand-out SB
I don't see a blowout happening, might even come down to the last play with these 2 teams
They match up very well
SF has the edge with VD though, I think a 31-24 SF or a 24-21 BAL score can happen
It's going to be easier to find 90% of Kap and Wilson than it has been to find 90% of Brady and Manning. So much of the "pro-style" is audibling and going through progressions. Very few QBs have been able to do that at an elite level. It's why the same guys made the playoffs year after year
This will be a big topic in the offseason. But the economics of QBs will be changing
And teams with the bottom two defenses also meet and only score 16 points.
I think this will be a ball control type game, lots of running.
GraveRobberX
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John Elway riding into the sunset moment at the top by winning it all
Randy isn't considered the Randy Moss of old
Remember he was on the New England Patriots and their 18-1 season, so he has already been to the SB just like Ray Lewis
(He hasn't announced his retirement, so that's why it isn't a big story)
He's just a WR trying to get by hoping to win a ring, there's no drama for ESPN there
Now if he had mooned the Falcons and had Joe Buck be disgusted and create a national shit-storm for it then maybe
Also isn't Lewis going to be an analyst for ESPN?
How about being the fluffer right away to your new analyst
Dutch Gronk
Banned
I believe the offenses are changing sure, but how long before all the defenses adjust? I'm just happy that we beat the trend once again, we already have a super athletic QB in Ryan Mallett.
Athletic freak!
About how much do you see the top contract in the 2013 draft going for with this draft?
Lot's of FA will be floating around as well. Will the Rams let Harvey Dahl go?
That "yards before touched" stat Kaep got a couple weeks ago is really impressive in this regard.
The_Darkest_Red
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It'll be interesting to see how defenses change next year, for sure. I'm just saying man, at some point it doesn't matter what kind of adjustments you make, you just can't account for every option in that Ronnie Brown based wildcat package!
Sho_Nuff82
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God Damn indeed.
That's all Capers.
Again, it's about the threat of running. Kelly calls it a QBs ability to block without touching anyone and he's right. The ability to run can freeze an end or LB as much as a lead blocker. Rodgers could be successful out of a read option look with ease.
GraveRobberX
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Anyone know what that guitar riff (song?) is playing in the ESPN montage of the Harbaugh's
Alligatorjandro
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Instead of wishing for a meteor like some people did,can we hope Katrina hits the Super Dome?
Dutch Gronk
Banned
Decided to look at all the upcoming free agents for the Pats.
Interesting list, some quality guys on that that might walk.
- Julian Edelman WR UFA - Will probably try to re-sign him, tried to implement him this year, but with all the injuries, I'm not sure I want him
- Aqib Talib CB UFA - Seems like a must to lock him up, but given his price they might not
- Sebastian Vollmer T UFA - Really hope to resign him, he seems to beat the injuries and play at a high level once again.
- Wes Welker WR UFA - It might be time to say goodbye, I don't want to but it might be the case, they can always just tag him again.
- Will Allen S UFA - Isn't he already gone?
- Kyle Arrington CB UFA - Some team will either overpay him, or we pay him a small deal and keep him as insurance.
- Josh Barrett S UFA - Gone
- Ron Brace DT UFA - Waisted 2nd round pick, will be gone
- Deion Branch WR UFA - Probably same deal as last year where he will wait till somebody gets injured or Brady needs a hug.
- Patrick Chung S UFA - Might want too much money for what he's worth, think he's out.
- Marquice Cole CB UFA - Will be replaced with another small name CB probably, or gets resigned for his ST skills
- Dane Fletcher LB RFA - Losing him might have sucked more than we thought this year, maybe he can cover somebody instead of Spikes on third down. Will be back.
- Marcus Harrison DT UFA - PS or gone
- Michael Hoomanawanui TE RFA - Will depend on Ballard his return
- Niko Koutouvides LB UFA - Might sign a new deal, ST guy
- Derrick Martin CB UFA - Probably gone
- Jamey Richard G UFA - PS or gone
- Trevor Scott DE UFA - Hasn't shown a whole lot, not the Mark Anderson people hoped he could be, maybe a new 1 year deal.
- Donte Stallworth WR UFA - Branch situation
- Donald Thomas G UFA - Really hope they re-sign him, did great when he had to fill in this year, would be nice depth
- Ross Ventrone CB RFA - Mr Really, PS super star
- Tracy White LB UFA - fastest LB on the team, that was his thing, might not be needed with Fletcher/new additions to the LB squad.
- Danny Woodhead RB UFA - Think they re-sign him, team loves him, coaches love him, Vereen can do most of what he does, but 4 RB's seems like a nice amount.
Interesting list, some quality guys on that that might walk.
Mdstc is vomiting at how disgusting you are.
Dahl's best attribute was that he was the only Rams offensive lineman who could stay healthy the last two years, and then he got hurt and missed the last two games. $4m next year will be a tough pill, b/c he's not worth that from a production standpoint, will be 32, and now injuries are a concern. But they already need to upgrade RT and LG, and Wells is a bigger question mark with his health. Unless they loved one of the replacement guards they were using I think they bring him back. Too many other holes to try and fix another
$25m total over 4 years I think for the first pick. Owners get very cheap labor if they nail their draft picks
ActStriker
Member
It can't be too much, what with the new rookie wage scale and the limited amount of bonus money they can give to draft picks.
Need Pats fans to man up and get back in the thread. My blood pressure is feeling a bit low, need more salt!
Slightly salted.
From Patriot Pulpit:
http://www.patspulpit.com/2013/1/20/3898408/ravens-vs-patriots-what-we-learned-from-the-afc-championship-game#comments
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
Please God No
SNF announcers will never ever STFU if we have another Katrina
Katrina 1.0 + Katrina 2.0 + Jimmy "Had a Hard Upbringing, Played Basketball" Graham + Drew Brees sets new record never even kept in the NFL record-books
Most times trying to drum up fan sympathy while saying they're not trying to make anything public.
ActStriker
Member
I could see Hoomanawanui staying and Fells getting cut; he jumped over Fells in the depth chart, and Fells ended up being a healthy scratch the weeks we had both Hernandez and Gronk. I think Woodhead gets re-signed and Bolden will be gone, especially with Jeff Demps being healthy and probable gameshape next year.
I really hope Talib gets resigned, but Brace and Chung won't be in Pats uniforms next year. Like you said, Brace has been a bust of a 2nd rounder, and Chung fell down the depth chart hard this year.
Too busy watching listening to music no ones heard of, drinking wine reviewers havent reviewed and watching artsy fartsy movies to make no dang OP!
I bet he stabbed those 2 people in a classy manner too, maybe he was listening Its hip to be square?
The_Darkest_Red
Member
So does anyone think the Pats have a legitimate shot at winning a SB with Brady before he retires? It's starting to look less and less likely to me. It'd be a shame if he went out without winning a ring, but that's just how it goes for some of the greats.
Their division is filled with clown cars, so they'll be in the playoffs for the foreseeable future. So they'll have chances, but they have a serious weakness. They're too soft.
The_Darkest_Red
Member
The Dolphins will make believers out of you people next year thanks to the ingenuity of Mr. Ireland. Just you wait. And yes, I said "you people."
Dutch Gronk
Banned
I'm not really feeling it anymore. A whole lot of things would need to fall into place perfectly for a SB win, including the hunt for a real WR, be it via draft of FA/trading. Plus Brady would have to step his own game up and we have luck when it comes to injuries.
I would say he has 2/3 years in NE left, that's a mighty small window. And what worries me the most is how every play off loss has been the same for 4/5 years now and that sucks. None of the problems have really been fixed.
ActStriker
Member
The D-line needs depth. We were getting decent pressure until Kyle Love came out of the game with a knee injury, and with him not next to Wilfork that negated his effectiveness. Chandler only playing sparingly with the ankle didn't help, either.
teruterubozu
Member
Belichick & Brady might have a great relationship, but Belichick's "calm, cool & collected" shit is getting too old for the other players. Pats have no fire anymore.
The Pats no talent on defense and Tammy can't throw the ball deep anymore.
They have great coaches who can disguise a lot of those things, but these flaws always become exposed in the playoffs.
This is the weakest the AFC has been in a long time so it is only going to get harder from now on.
I didn't say it last night but I was really impressed with Kaepernick. That is not how I expect a 2nd year player to play in a dome in the championship game. He was super composed, did not waste a single timeout, and even made the correct change to the call at the LOS.
I hate both teams and I am still rooting for the volcano but if I am being objective it seems like San Fran is going to win it easily unless this Crabtree rape things blows up and fucks up the team's mindset.
They have great coaches who can disguise a lot of those things, but these flaws always become exposed in the playoffs.
This is the weakest the AFC has been in a long time so it is only going to get harder from now on.
I didn't say it last night but I was really impressed with Kaepernick. That is not how I expect a 2nd year player to play in a dome in the championship game. He was super composed, did not waste a single timeout, and even made the correct change to the call at the LOS.
I hate both teams and I am still rooting for the volcano but if I am being objective it seems like San Fran is going to win it easily unless this Crabtree rape things blows up and fucks up the team's mindset.