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NFL 2012 Conference Championship |OT| My Brother's Kaeper
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DeaconKnowledge
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Biggest problem on the entire team is the o-line. Havent had a single season in the past 3 years where the same linemen played 6 consecutive games with one another. Kugler left of his own volition, but he really should have been fired. That's unacceptable.
Gillian Seed
Banned
Just to prove Peyton is the GOAT to the Haters: http://www.footballperspective.com/the-greatest-qb-of-all-time-iv-part-ii-career-rankings/
I'm saying that the way Phil Emery drafts over the next few years is just as critical as the coaching hire. Can't hire a coach and expect to turn chicken shit into chicken salad.
lol, track Bradley's flight to Philly! http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EJA922
From http://www.crossingbroad.com/2013/0...philly-at-around-231-pm-track-his-flight.html
From http://www.crossingbroad.com/2013/0...philly-at-around-231-pm-track-his-flight.html
The_Darkest_Red
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I don't think the AFC is terrible overall. Goodness man, I was just defending the Pats this morning. They are easily one of the best teams in the NFL and have been for years. Read my posts.
It's season by season. You're division clearly has two teams who primarily play for the lead, we've had a couple obstacle seasons. Overall, it's pretty easy to make that argument, but you can just scan the overall standings at the end of the season and find that most of each conference is filled with garbage.
Squall ASF
Member
It's Bidwill and it's because we owe Whiz 5.5 mil this next season until someone else hires him. They are likely telling each candidate that until that money is freed up, they can only offer x amount. I'm sure it will balloon after Whiz gets a position but who's willing to take the job in the mean time without knowing for sure if Whiz will get hired? Horton I'd say but that's probably it. That said, Gruden never sounded like he wanted to be HC for anyone this year but didn't want teams to think he'd be coordinator forever. I expect him to become one next off season. I find it hard to believe Haley had a high asking price. He wants to coach the Cards so bad he can taste it. Really wanted to come back as OC last year but Whiz didn't want him.
Don't worry my dear Squicken, we'll be back to feasting on the Lambs next season, you won't be getting those two wins.
I'm not talking about the Pats. I'm simply talking about the argument of "Team X is here because Teams Y and Z / Entire league is trash". That's a NBA argument or loser sports radio.
Here we go, pretending like rookie quarterback X is the only player looking at film in the offseason.
Futurevoid
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Tiki on David Wilson:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324734904578241740231790144.html
Can't say I disagree with him. Lack of vision was one of the Wilson's issues at VT despite his explosiveness. That's one area where Andre Brown was a joy to watch. Aside from being a power guy, he followed him blocks and had a ton of patience before he blasted through the holes. Tough balancing act for Wilson as he no doubt feels he can outrun anybody. I'm really excited to see what he can do as the feature back next season. Both he and Andre Brown (if he makes it back completely from his leg fracture) should make for an excellent 1/2 punch.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324734904578241740231790144.html
Can't say I disagree with him. Lack of vision was one of the Wilson's issues at VT despite his explosiveness. That's one area where Andre Brown was a joy to watch. Aside from being a power guy, he followed him blocks and had a ton of patience before he blasted through the holes. Tough balancing act for Wilson as he no doubt feels he can outrun anybody. I'm really excited to see what he can do as the feature back next season. Both he and Andre Brown (if he makes it back completely from his leg fracture) should make for an excellent 1/2 punch.
The_Darkest_Red
Member
I'm the one who's been defending against that argument...
TheLegendary
Member
So upon further reflection ( while fully aware of the fact that my opinion means jack shit) I'm okay with keeping Capers, which is what McCarthy and Thompson will most certainly do. I think all of the injuries kind of get glossed over because we did have a great season. But having the most injuries in the league (by far) is going to cause some problems . Capers managed to get a bunch of rookies and scrubs together and made an effective defense out of it. Not great, but effective overall. Whether its the best metric or not , we went from bottom of the league in scoring / yardage to #11. Yes he walked us into a buzzsaw and was unprepared for the option last week, and yes teams have exploited our weaknesses, but how can we say it's more an issues with Capers/scheme than it is the talent/injuries? A good QB is going to be able to target your weakest players no matter how much the scheme may try to hide them. I think Capers did a decent job, and as good of a job as you can expect when you consider injuries. I think a lot of players played above their actual talent/experience level thanks in part to him/coaching. He's moved to more dime packages to hide the weaknesses of our linebackers. Every defense has weaknesses to exploit. But just like good schemes can hide poor players, good players can help reduce the weaknesses in the scheme. We didnt have too many good players this year. Capers can outscheme the poor QBs/poorly coached team. But I think facing a team with talent along with great coaching (like the 49rs) can trump anything he can do to cover our holes.
Outside of Matthews who is great, there's noone even close to great outside of Bishop ,who was on IR by the beginning of the season. Our corners are are strength and they're not great (see: Tramon). They're good though. Casey Hayward definitely has the potential to be great and he did have a great season as a rookie.
Everything else ended up being a mess either due to injuries or talent . If AJ Hawk is your best option at ILB you know youre lacking talent or have a lot of injuries. Our safeties are pretty average. Burnett was brought in as a splash type player and he doesnt make any plays. Our Dline is average. Raji disappears for half of the season and Mike Neal hasn't stayed healthy. Our OLBs outside of Matthews are average... at best.
Even though you get shit for using it as an excuse, I think it's valid to use to explain why you might've fallen short. I'd rather the team figure out what the hell is caused such a huge divide between the injuries we had/have regularly and even the next closest team rather than firing Capers and starting over again.
Outside of Matthews who is great, there's noone even close to great outside of Bishop ,who was on IR by the beginning of the season. Our corners are are strength and they're not great (see: Tramon). They're good though. Casey Hayward definitely has the potential to be great and he did have a great season as a rookie.
Everything else ended up being a mess either due to injuries or talent . If AJ Hawk is your best option at ILB you know youre lacking talent or have a lot of injuries. Our safeties are pretty average. Burnett was brought in as a splash type player and he doesnt make any plays. Our Dline is average. Raji disappears for half of the season and Mike Neal hasn't stayed healthy. Our OLBs outside of Matthews are average... at best.
Even though you get shit for using it as an excuse, I think it's valid to use to explain why you might've fallen short. I'd rather the team figure out what the hell is caused such a huge divide between the injuries we had/have regularly and even the next closest team rather than firing Capers and starting over again.
Rookie quarterback Y was watching a combination of NFL's best hits and a certain Joe Theismann clip.
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
Dom Capers still has a job today huh?
Feels like we haven't heard a word out of Green Bay since the night of the loss.
Feels like we haven't heard a word out of Green Bay since the night of the loss.
I love your defense. They would have been the best in the league if they had an offense that helped even just a little
I also have zero faith in them getting a coach who can do well with the offense. Offense is in demand, and the lowest bidder usually doesn't win. Unless they take a flier and get lucky on a non-name guy
Squall ASF
Member
Bidwill Sr was the cheap bastard that held the franchise back for years. Mike has been pretty good thus far. New stadium, willing to pay top dollar for our core players, ate Whiz's contract which his father would never have done. I appreciate that he wanted a football mind for gm this time around after having a numbers and contract guy in Graves. The guy actually wants to win unlike Sarver (Suns owner). He has questionable judgment at times but if he lets Keim do his job, I think we can start turning this thing around.
Meanwhile, Rookie Quarterback Z was grabbing the keys because he's the guy that would drive Quarterbacks X and Y to the drive thru.
He's just that sort of guy.
You mean the new stadium that was paid for by local residents?
Give them a break, pony express usually takes weeks.
I think trestman would be a decent hire and would be that tough coach our players need. I mean, if emery fuck this up, the packers would be a couple of years ahead of us (except on defense) so why complain about our shitty coach selection?
Press conferences are today then Lando Stadium is closed. McCarthy at 4 then assistant coaches after. Capers is scheduled to talk at 5. The thinking is that the team wouldn't make Capers available with advance notice if they were planning on firing him.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Understand i'm not blaming the Patriots for being successful or (aside from spygate, of course) alleging that their success is ill gotten. That said there is no division in the league (after the Manning left the Colts, anyway) that has a bigger disparity of talent in the front office and on the field than the AFC East.
Even now, as the Patriots on field talent is declining, the Patriots are still crushing the division. That's Belichick. The key to postseason success is staying consistent and disciplined in your division. The Patriots have had issues, and as i've said previous that's mostly a talent problem, because Belichick has them running like clockwork yearly. I'm glad that he can't draft worth a damn, because the Pats would have won at least 2 more championships then.
Squall ASF
Member
Yeah I'm nervous about that too but even with top dollar, who was a good choice? Reid is the only coach I liked this off season and he wants too much power. After KC scooped him up, who's left? After Reid, severely underwhelmed by the remaining candidates (besides a Horton-Turner combo). We'll have to get lucky or hope there are better candidates after this new hire runs his contract out. Was there anyone you'd have considered a good candidate outside Reid?
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Also, somebody made a comment about Payton and Belichick being the best coaches in the league. The only real similarity I can find with either of them is that they don't take their foot off of the gas until 60 minutes.
Also recording devices.
I don't know if he is special, or if he has a good PR machine. But both local and national media fall over themselves praising his work ethic. Sam Farmer of LAT and Sando gush about it. Sando has said "Wilson will never be out-worked" fwiw, and Sando isn't a hyperbole guy
DeaconKnowledge
Member
That's true!
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
Oh cool, thanks!
Well it's possible that TT is going to hem and haw a bit with MM about Capers. They don't often make quick decisions so it wouldn't shock me if he was fired later. I'm expecting a lot of non-answers about Capers if someone asks MM about it.
Or they might confirm his return and put the blame on personnel rather than scheme. Felt like that last game of the season was schemed right just poorly executed. No excuse for the Niner game though which was vastly more important.
Probably the most annoying thing to witness in football. Watch your team go up big only to lose it because you play scared and all the momentum goes to the other team.
They'll confirm his return. Rack it.
I've sort of bought into the "program builder" idea of finding guys who have gone into bad situations, either college or pro, and turned things around. So BOB from Pedo State and Marrone from Syracuse are the two guys I think I would have wanted my team to go after.
I've never been a fan of retreads, unless there's something obvious you can point to as beyond their control that got them fired
He looked really bad vs SF. Doubt fans are too happy, but gotta trust TT I guess
I'll never really buy into the spygate arguments, but I understand it's flammable quality. I still believe if you stuck the Patriots into most divisions in the AFC, you would see a similar record. It's hard to defend the teams in the East though. Bills are a dead franchise, Jets has a knack for building quality teams and shit them away without making adjustments, and the Dolphins just never got over Marino.
I do miss having the Colts in the division. I have a feeling if you were going to make the argument using them as the template, they wouldn't have found nearly as much success in the AFC East long term.
I guarantee you that I can find that quote about every acclaimed, successful rookie QB for the last five years.
Because it's worked out well for you?
The Bears are 1-7 against Capers' Packers defenses.
I always knew you were a Packers fan buddy!!
I don't believe this for a second, but I believe.
Bears will finally have an offensive coordinator who can scheme against that shit defense like the rest of the league has done.
Too bad J'Marcus Webb will still be at LT.
Baconsammy
Banned
I do. You can name all the teams in the AFC that are legit good on 2 fingers. Maybe 3 if Flacco is having a good day. Pats had 4 losses this season. Only one was to an AFC team, and that team was one of the 3 teams I referred to. The NFC don't have teams that are ahead of the top couple AFC teams, but they do have more well-rounded (and more interesting) teams.
Just like Tice! Just like Martz! Just like Ron Turner!
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
Cutler is going read option?
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/gil-brandt/155116
Gil Brandt first mock draft. Joeckel to KC. Warmack to Iggles at #4. Really likes him
Gil Brandt first mock draft. Joeckel to KC. Warmack to Iggles at #4. Really likes him
Elfforkusu
Member
The only positive about keeping Capers is that he probably won't make us suffer such humiliation at the hands of a running QB again.
It'll be something else next time. Flea flickers!
e: Also, :lol Bob. Capers makes Cutler look ridiculous every time we play him.
It'll be something else next time. Flea flickers!
e: Also, :lol Bob. Capers makes Cutler look ridiculous every time we play him.