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NFL 2013 Divisional |OT| Don't Call It A Comeback

In scanning some Lions message boards, I'm amazed at how many people don't want Caldwell. I don't think I've seen one that actually wants him.

Oddly, the name I see thrown around as most desired coach is Gary Kubiak. I've also seen Jack Del Rio as well. Ugh.

Before watching those Interim games, I'd have said Del Rio would be an excellent candidate.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Shame you guys missed out on Lane Kiffin.

I'd rather have Kubes than Del Rio but that's really choosing which form of anal parasites I'd want

Before watching those Interim games, I'd have said Del Rio would be an excellent candidate.

At this point I don't see why they don't wait and interview everyone available. Zimmer, Quinn, Roman, Kubiak, Del Rio, etc. Absolutely no reason to rush this.

Naturally, Caldwell will be hired tomorrow.
 

eznark

Banned
At this point I don't see why they don't wait and interview everyone available. Zimmer, Quinn, Roman, Kubiak, Del Rio, etc. Absolutely no reason to rush this.

Naturally, Caldwell will be hired tomorrow.

Maybe all those people turned them down just like Gruden?
 

rokkerkory

Member
The cap situation is ideal, IMO. We have money tied up in Stafford and Megatron but thats fine. The Niners and Seahawks will feel the ramifications on the salary cap when they have to pay Wilson and Kaep in the offseason.

That obviously will trickle down and both teams will have to make some cuts. There is no way the Seahawks will be able to pay Wilson, Sherman, Earl Thomas, Marshawn Lynch, offensive lineman etc. all together.

The most important thing with a teams salary cap is making sure you have your money tied up to a QB you believe in, and a couple of key pieces around him. In our case we have money tied up to Stafford, Megatron and I think Suh will get his extension and become our anchor of th defense for a while to come.

I've already accepted the fact that we won't be able to keep both Fairley and Suh in the long run. Thats fine, we can use Fairley for the next few years, let him walk and then draft his replacement.

As long as you do well in the draft, and have a franchise QB (which Stafford is and the stats prove it) the rest will fall into place. We shored up the right side of our offensive line this past draft with Larry Warford and LaDrian Waddle. When they want there paydays in 3-5 years we'll deal with that when it comes up.

Isn't Wilson just on his 2nd year of contract? I think he signed in 2012?
 

Kastrioti

Persecution Complex
No need to turn it into a big debate now, but he hasn't exactly proven anything yet, and even if he does turn out to be good there's no guarantee that Whisenhunt thought so, or thought that he could necessarily get Stafford up to the level he needs to be. Caldwell's already broken down Matt's film and talked to him about it, so at least it sounds like there's the potential for some rapport there, but from this year on there needs to be pressure on Stafford, from coaching and fans alike. We haven't yet seen if he's capable of dealing with that.

I personally think (and I know a lot of Lions fans will disagree) Stafford has proven himself to be a franchise QB. At the very least he has proven he has the potential to be.

Just look at his 201 season when we had talent at the WR position outside of Megatron. When he had Titus Young, Nate Burleson, Tony Scheffler, Jahvid Best etc. to throw to, he threw 5000 Yards, 41 TDs, 16 INTs and lead us into the playoffs. And he wasn't doing that with a dink and dunk offense. The guy was going through his reads and slinging it Favre style.

The past two years we've been depleted at WR and I hope we fix it via the draft and free agency. As for whether he can handle the pressure of being QB of the fucking Lions we'll see. It's an enormous task to take on. Even when he throws close to 5,000 yards, 29 TDs, 18 INTs fans and the media still want to throw him under the bus and we haven't had a good QB in 50 years.

Isn't Wilson just on his 2nd year of contract? I think he signed in 2012?

Kaep and Wilson are still under their rookie contracts. They'll get the paydays they deserve in the offseason but lets see how good they are when more money is on them and less on the defense and players around them.
 
I honestly have no problem with gata rooting for the Pats as long as he sticks with them when the times get tough.

If he sticks around and hangs out with us loser-bros when Tammy and Bill leave in a few years and the Pats are a dump (and believe me brother, it's coming!), he's cool in my book.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Maybe all those people turned them down just like Gruden?

Wouldn't surprise me at this point.

I'd go after Dan Quinn after playoffs.

That's where I'm at as well.

Also,

Mike Jurecki ‏@mikejurecki 38m

Hearing the Lions wouldn't budge on changing from a 4x3 to 3x4, Whiz will play a 3x4 with the Titans, location was another.

UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE DECADE
 
I honestly have no problem with gata rooting for the Pats as long as he sticks with them when the times get tough.

If he sticks around and hangs out with us loser-bros when Tammy and Bill leave in a few years and the Pats are a dump (and believe me brother, it's coming!), he's cool in my book.

If I didnt leave after the 1st soul crushing super bowl defeat or after the 2nd soul crushing super bowl defeat I wont leave when they suck.
 

Bread

Banned
I honestly have no problem with gata rooting for the Pats as long as he sticks with them when the times get tough.

If he sticks around and hangs out with us loser-bros when Tammy and Bill leave in a few years and the Pats are a dump (and believe me brother, it's coming!), he's cool in my book.
has gata ever rooted for a bad sports team in his life?
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Wow--People aren't kidding. I was doing research on Caldwell and EVERY PICTURE I find is exactly the same. Every one. The guy hasn't changed his facial expression since birth.
 

jakncoke

Banned
I only stepped into the off topic community side of neogaf a week or two ago. The NFL threads seem to be a community within a community with the rules and stuff

This is what they wanted. They told us we were too insular then threw us into the insular ghetto OT community. The sense it does not make!
 

Doorman

Member
I personally think (and I know a lot of Lions fans will disagree) Stafford has proven himself to be a franchise QB. At the very least he has proven he has the potential to be.

Just look at his 201 season when we had talent at the WR position outside of Megatron. When he had Titus Young, Nate Burleson, Tony Scheffler, Jahvid Best etc. to throw to, he threw 5000 Yards, 41 TDs, 16 INTs and lead us into the playoffs. And he wasn't doing that with a dink and dunk offense. The guy was going through his reads and slinging it Favre style.

The past two years we've been depleted at WR and I hope we fix it via the draft and free agency. As for whether he can handle the pressure of being QB of the fucking Lions we'll see. It's an enormous task to take on. Even when he throws close to 5,000 yards, 29 TDs, 18 INTs fans and the media still want to throw him under the bus and we haven't had a good QB in 50 years.

I do agree that he has the potential, though I do question whether or not he can tap into it consistently enough for him to lead the team to success. And just because we haven't had a good QB in 50 years doesn't mean we should rush out to bronze Stafford just because he's shown moments of capability. It takes more than a bunch of yards in one of the NFL's most pass-happy offenses to show that you're a winner. I gave him a pass the first few years, thanks to freak injuries and youth, but we're coming up to year six of the guy's career and he has all of one winning season to show for it.

My worry is that, thanks to his draft status, contract size, and maybe Schwartz's judgment, Stafford's been allowed to think that what he's been doing so far is satisfactory and he hasn't been taking the extra steps to really drive himself to improve. It's largely speculation and reading between the lines of Stafford and Schwartz's comments over the years but it's hard for me to shake, and considering the investment the team's made in him and Calvin, he needs to perform on the level of an Aaron Rodgers, Brees, or Brady, and he'll have to make talent out of positions that aren't seeing much monetary support (third/fourth receivers, tight end). The money's just not there to go crazy on top-tier weaponry unless you just want to abandon the defensive back-seven entirely.
 
I've been very busy with work (4 AM-5PM), got home, checked NFLGAF quick (before Profootballtalk) and heard the news.

As Doorman said it was a pretty weak year as far as head coaches are concerned and we possibly lost out on O'Brien waiting for Whisenhunt (though who knows). I just don't see anyway the Titans are a better job without a QB, a ridiculous contract to a RB and no recievers to speak of. Not only that but we have a higher draft pick at #10 than the Titan do at #11.

I think it probably came down to how the defense was going to be run. If he wanted to run a 3-4, there is no way you come in and change that right now when we just drafted Ansah as a defensive end, and have Suh and Fairley at DT. Suh will get the contract extension he deserves and we'll ride Fairleys rookie contract till the end when we eventually get his replacement. I honestly believe that is probably the reason he choose the Titans over us.

On offense we have a proven Quarterback, Calvin Johnson, the #10 pick, two solid RBs, one of the best offensive lines. On defense we have Ndamakung Suh and a great supporting cast of defensive lineman. I don't care what anyone says we had a better coaching opportunity in Detroit if he wanted to win immediatly.

His loss. He can go to the Titans, draft a QB with no experience in the NFL, a shitty cast of RBs and WRs (other than Britt who will probably be traded) and get fired in two years. Bring on Jim Caldwell and bring on the draft.

I'd take a ban bet right now that Suh won't re-sign with Detroit after next season. He's gone unless we franchise his ass.
 

bionic77

Member
I honestly have no problem with gata rooting for the Pats as long as he sticks with them when the times get tough.

If he sticks around and hangs out with us loser-bros when Tammy and Bill leave in a few years and the Pats are a dump (and believe me brother, it's coming!), he's cool in my book.
There is no book ever written or that could ever be written in which Gata would be cool.
 

Kastrioti

Persecution Complex
I'd take a ban bet right now that Suh won't re-sign with Detroit after next season. He's gone unless we franchise his ass.

If we don't give him an extension this offseason I think you could be right. And I do think we'd franchise him for a year afterwards (which would piss him off and then he'd definitely walk)

But I just don't see how Mayhew would let him walk, especially after making the pro-bowl this year. The guys talent has been evident since his days at Nebraska. Guys with the physical ability of Suh come along very rarely if ever. The guy is strong enough to play DT and fast enough to play DE.

The franchise and most of the fanbase have stuck with him and Suh knows that. I really hope we're not stupid enough to let him walk.

I always thought kas was joking sarcastically. But he's actually serious?

Joking about what? Our cap situation? My defense of Stafford? I'm consistent on those unless proven wrong down the road (which is possible). At least we didn't get stuck with cleft chin Bill O'Brien.
 

Doorman

Member
I'd take a ban bet right now that Suh won't re-sign with Detroit after next season. He's gone unless we franchise his ass.

100% agreed.
I'm not so sure, not quite yet anyway. I think it really comes down to whether the new coach (and D-coord?) can get through to him and keep him happy/motivated. Most important of all, of course, is whether the team next year becomes a winner.

Schwartz's no-holds-barred approach to football played into Suh's rough nature, if a new coach wants to instill more order and discipline I think that, like Stafford, we'll learn a lot about how well he can actually take direction and play smart, fundamental football.

I'm interested to see how Calvin's career goes and if he'll get out after another losing season.
Calvin seems like a nice enough guy that I find it hard to think of him demanding a trade only now, given all the shit that he's been through already. Add to that that he's signed to a pretty weighty contract as far as receivers go, which could potentially dissuade other teams from taking such a cap hit and potentially offsetting their team balance. Add to that the fact that he's been getting banged up quite a bit in the past few years. Yes, even a slightly-injured Calvin is currently better than like 85% of receivers in the league, but it won't surprise me if he starts to wear down in coming years and his performance suffers.

All in all I wouldn't totally rule out what you're talking about, but I believe he's a Lion for life at this point, for better or worse for him.
 

squicken

Member
Come on. Every person in America would agree.

I just don't see how it is bad to live anywhere when you are rich. Not like he is going to have to shovel his driveway. Kids go to private schools. Some gated community in the suburbs for security.

Lions play in a dome and the Vikes will soon. Maybe it is a fit for his offense? AFCS has 2 domes and JAX as the road games
 

Konka

Banned
Poor Gata. Why can't he be like everyone else. I know you don't know who I am Gata, but if you ever need a shoulder to cry on, I'm here for you little guy.

crying-crocodile.jpg
 
I'm not so sure, not quite yet anyway. I think it really comes down to whether the new coach (and D-coord?) can get through to him and keep him happy/motivated. Most important of all, of course, is whether the team next year becomes a winner.

Schwartz's no-holds-barred approach to football played into Suh's rough nature, if a new coach wants to instill more order and discipline I think that, like Stafford, we'll learn a lot about how well he can actually take direction and play smart, fundamental football.


Calvin seems like a nice enough guy that I find it hard to think of him demanding a trade only now, given all the shit that he's been through already. Add to that that he's signed to a pretty weighty contract as far as receivers go, which could potentially dissuade other teams from taking such a cap hit and potentially offsetting their team balance. Add to that the fact that he's been getting banged up quite a bit in the past few years. Yes, even a slightly-injured Calvin is currently better than like 85% of receivers in the league, but it won't surprise me if he starts to wear down in coming years and his performance suffers.

All in all I wouldn't totally rule out what you're talking about, but I believe he's a Lion for life at this point, for better or worse for him.

it doesn't sound like stafford will do what it takes to be great. he has a lot of passing yards that haven't ultimately amounted to much success. he has a great arm and a lot of talent but like a lot of young QB's (kap included!) he does struggle with consistent footwork and his accuracy suffers because of it.

stafford saying he's not really interested in a QB specialist coming in fpr help would be concerning to me if i were the lions
 

effzee

Member
Why are Det's options limited to Whiz or Caldwell?

Aren't there any up and coming college coaches or assistant who fly under the radar capable of getting looks?

Hell the coaching staffs of SF, Seattle, Denver (offense), and even the Pats should get a look.

If Caldwell is the leading candidate but they want to wait on some of the remaining playoffs teams coaches, then there is no rush. Whiz is no big "omg can't believe we missed out on him" candidate.
 

JABEE

Member
There is a lot of shit-talking in these threads. Too much to go around. YH and Fantomex found out what happens when Gata gets too much razzing. Gata is a made man on these boards.

And that's why Gata gets it good on here. No. Sanjuro will never fall to the likes of you. Gata. You are not from New England. You have chosen this evil. You must make your bed and lie in it.

It just ain't his night. He could have taken Tamanon apart. Poor Gata. Never a King.

Gata could have been somebody. He could have been a contender. Now, all Gata has is a one-way ticket to Palooka-ville. He could have had class. He could have been somebody instead of a Pats fan.
 

jakncoke

Banned
If we don't give him an extension this offseason I think you could be right. And I do think we'd franchise him for a year afterwards (which would piss him off and then he'd definitely walk)

But I just don't see how Mayhew would let him walk, especially after making the pro-bowl this year. The guys talent has been evident since his days at Nebraska. Guys with the physical ability of Suh come along very rarely if ever. The guy is strong enough to play DT and fast enough to play DE.

The franchise and most of the fanbase have stuck with him and Suh knows that. I really hope we're not stupid enough to let him walk.



Joking about what? Our cap situation? My defense of Stafford? I'm consistent on those unless proven wrong down the road (which is possible). At least we didn't get stuck with cleft chin Bill O'Brien.

BOB would of fixed every single one of Staffords mechanical issues and made him into a qb which doesnt have to rely on Calvin Johnson to get big stats. If BOB could fix McGloin in college and have Hackenberg come in as a true freshman and hold his own, I have no doubts he cold polish your turd into diamonds.
 
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