FrenchMovieTheme
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NFL 2013 Divisional |OT| Don't Call It A Comeback
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how would dilfer know?
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Dumb quote - Boldin goes lazy on the route and it's the system's fault? Part of play calling is completely about predicting what the defense is going to do. Guessing has nothing to do with it, it's about execution. Another Cohn clickbait article, surprise!
FrenchMovieTheme
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lolololllllllllllll that is what cohn is basing this on? maybe he should watch boldins 66 yard reception against arizona. newsflash: what you saw from boldin there IS him running at full speed. he is not fast. his route against GB looked like him running at full speed in the open field. and why would boldin get the ball in that position anyways basically being double covered? if kap threw to boldin it would've been picked. if he put the ball on a bit more of a rope he could've gotten davis or avoided the INT. he probably should have gone into the flat to gore on that play but he doesn't throw to our rb's.... even though cohn claims he does.
cohn is a troll. the more he talks shit about the niners, the more people rabble about his articles and the more clicks he gets.
Yeah, when you put it that way it sounds terrible.
Happy Birthday btw, sounds like the best gift is a cool wife. 30 somethings unite.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
...And the execution is poor, which is to be expected when the receiver knows he's not getting the ball.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Which is poor form on the receiver and that shouldn't excuse them. There are plenty of plays where receivers aren't going to get the ball but will fall apart if those others guys don't do their jobs. Pick plays, quick screens, etc.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
so lets assume OUT OF NOWHERE the 49ers guess wrong on that play and VD wasn't "open". you honestly believe that kap then shuts down and simply takes the sack? if you honestly believe that then you must consider the 49ers to be the luckiest team in the history of the league because you dont have 3 straight seasons as good as we have by "guessing" what the defense will run and have 1 receiver in mind on the play
DeaconKnowledge
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execution of plays is why plays often fail though, and why certain coaches can't stand working with diva players who won't do nuts and bolts stuff like block on running plays.
Dude's argument is probably simplified for effect, but it makes sense, especially when Crabtree went down and all Kap had to throw to was a group of JAGS. His running is a huge safety valve too, as his numbers will attest to.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
I know, the article was saying it's the system's fault for that play failing because the coach "guessed" it would work in the situation as opposed to the players not executing the play properly.
It won't matter if Cam is "getting the ball out there on time, his feet are set, he’s going to the right guy" if someone else in the play screws up their assignment and causes the play to go wrong anyway.
Buckethead
Banned
Kayotix your avatar disgusts me replace it immejiately
He did guess. He guessed that Boldin would get off his lazy ass that particular play and put in an effort. He guessed wrong.
I remember last year there was something like SF didn't do sight reads. The WRs just ran their routes and the play supposedly accounted for anything the defense might do. Alex or Harbs just had to have it figured out pre-snap and go to the right guy.
Really does sound like Harbs is trying to play QB from the sidelines
Really does sound like Harbs is trying to play QB from the sidelines
FrenchMovieTheme
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kap didn't run for the majority of the first half of the season. he didn't have his first rushing TD until week 7 against the titans. he ran VERY infrequently for the first part of the season. his receivers were a 32 year old boldin who does not get separation, kyle williams, marlon moore and an injured manningham (for some of the season). now he did have vernon davis and that's why his early season stats werent god awful.
i will grant you that a guy like peypey or brady could make this receiver group work. kap is not a hall of famer. kap is not some type of brilliant QB who knows what is coming before the ball is snapped like peypey and he doesn't have the accuracy of a brady. but i'm sorry that group of receivers is absolute trash for a guy like kap.
of COURSE his numbers have improved quite a bit since crabtree came back. why? because crabtree is an actual top 20 WR in the NFL and demands attention. less attention for everyone else, including kap.
kap needs to improve the speed in which he makes decisions and his progressions and his accuracy and the touch on his throws and everything else. but for a guy who has started about 25-ish games i'd say he's doing ok for himself. he looked ahead of himself in last years playoffs because the read option was difficult for teams to understand
anyhow, when i put myself in an unbiased frame of mind about this allegation that kap has one read on each play or the field is always cut in half my first question would be how can this possible succeed in the nfl? it makes absolutely no sense but it'll get you some clicks!
He'll get in now. Senior Candidate. Voters just vote yes or no. Him getting in doesn't keep any "real" players out
DeaconKnowledge
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What we do know is that Kaepernick was AWFUL at the beginning of the season and couldn't string together drives to save his life. What changed? His receiving talent. skill positions couldn't work themselves open to the degree Kaepernick was used to, offense started going through Boldin who muscled DB's but didn't get a lot of separation.
slightconfuse
Banned
Greg cosell said on the herd that Kap is a one read WB and will use his legs if it's not there
He's got the Bruce Arians streak to him where he likes mad bomber QBs. He's called the Seahawks' offense "remedial" when compared to what the Colts were doing
FrenchMovieTheme
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none of our WR's get separation, including crabtree. the reason crabtree is so valuable is because his hands are so good. he has never been a burner and never created separation from CB's to deem him wide open
he did? welp thats all i need to hear. 1 read it IS!
slightconfuse
Banned
Yea read that apples and oranges into ask me.
FrenchMovieTheme
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also squicken (and others who like this type of stuff) this is a great thread that breaks down the niners/packers game with all-22 footage:
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/176493-analysis-green-bay-packers-coaches-film/
this guy on the webzone does it every week. not sure if he's a coach somewhere or something but i've enjoyed reading his breakdowns this year
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/176493-analysis-green-bay-packers-coaches-film/
this guy on the webzone does it every week. not sure if he's a coach somewhere or something but i've enjoyed reading his breakdowns this year
RellyRell28
Banned
I hope Jerome Bettis makes it to troll squicken.
Morten Andersen
Jerome Bettis
Derrick Brooks
Tim Brown
Edward DeBartolo
Tony Dungy
Kevin Greene
Charles Haley
Marvin Harrison
Walter Jones
John Lynch
Andre Reed
Will Shields
Michael Strahan
Aeneas Williams
Also
How I miss this?
Morten Andersen
Jerome Bettis
Derrick Brooks
Tim Brown
Edward DeBartolo
Tony Dungy
Kevin Greene
Charles Haley
Marvin Harrison
Walter Jones
John Lynch
Andre Reed
Will Shields
Michael Strahan
Aeneas Williams
Also
How I miss this?
BlackGhost
Banned
What's Squicken have against Bettis?
HoF finalists. 5 get in not including Senior Candidates. bummed Coryell didn't make the cut. Such an impact on the game, but just from success as a coach I guess he doesn't measure up
Jones
Shields
Williams
Brooks
Shooter
it would be killer if Harrison got in.
he was great at murdering defenses.
iirc his argument was he was a ok rb that played a long time.
I was looking at how much a lead Morten had in pts. Looks like Adam Vinatieri hit the 2k mark this year as well, 6th one to do that now
He's not one of the 5 best players on that list. Who was ever scared of Jerome Bettis? That's my acid test for skill players. Oh shit, we have to divert extra attention to this dude or he will ruin our day. Bettis ain't that guy. Good back who extended his career with goal line runs and played for Pittsburgh
It's not like it is just him. I don't think Curtis Martin should have gotten in. Too many RBs and QBs ahead of OL/WR and defense
Interesting fact that when Peyton and John were 36 their playoff records looked like this:
Peyton Manning (36 years old): 9-11 in the playoffs, 1-1 in the Super Bowl
John Elway (36 years old): 7-8 in the playoffs, 0-3 in the Super Bowl
Not that there is anything to derive from this, just an interesting parallel between the two at this age.
Peyton Manning (36 years old): 9-11 in the playoffs, 1-1 in the Super Bowl
John Elway (36 years old): 7-8 in the playoffs, 0-3 in the Super Bowl
Not that there is anything to derive from this, just an interesting parallel between the two at this age.
Ninja Scooter
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So which RB are the Broncos going to draft to carry Peyton to two rings?
Himynameischris
Member
So you're saying Manning is winning two more superbowls and retiring? I'm ok with that.
FrenchMovieTheme
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one has a noodle arm, especially in the cold, and the other one is john elway
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
What he is really saying is that the Broncos should hire Shanahan after they choke this year.
DeaconKnowledge
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Manning needs a defense based on his Colts run. Broncos are fucked.
DeaconKnowledge
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Tons of teams. That was Bettis' MO - He'll run over you. 3 yards and a cloud of dust yeah, but you can't stop it.
Granted I agree he was an Emmitt type who stayed for a million years due to the line being dominant and he was strictly a short yardage/goal line guy at the end of his career. That said he was pretty feared at the height of his career.
Moreno/Ball are good enough to do it in this offense, but I appreciate the respect for TD.
A man can dream.
What does that say for defenses in this game? Letting a noodle armed old man style all over them? Sad state of affairs, indeed. Even his old geriatric buddy Brady had a good year.
Mike Shanahan is still the best HC the Broncos have ever had. As far as choking, that may or may not happen, but what's it like in the future. Did we get the hoverboard yet?
Fiesty bunch tonight.
@Deacon
You told me the Broncos wouldn't crack 20 in over all defense earlier in the year, now here we are at #19. They don't have to be great, just make stops at the right time. We might be fucked, but we still have to play the game(s).
Himynameischris
Member
Well.. the acid test from your ass is flawed. Just because the voters tend to vote in rbs and qbs more often doesnt mean we should start punishing players thats them being shitting at what they are suppose to be doing + working with limits. There shouldn't be any limits anyways, you're a hall of famer or not.
DeaconKnowledge
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Not sure where you got 20. They are actually 14th in YPG, but the point is I was wrong so I concede.
That said, they're not a good defense, or at least they weren't in the reg. season. Bad offenses plus TOP splits improved the defense by proxy,
All it takes is a hot streak like that 07 Colts team went on to win the dance. My point though, as it has always been, is that Peyton's gifts while considerable will not be enough to win it all alone. Like the 07 Colts he's going to need production from somewhere else. Those things matter in the postseason - just ask Aaron Rodgers.
FrenchMovieTheme
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the hitman loves the niners! don't show this to any panthers fans/players.... the butthurt will explode into overdrive
p.s.
i'd definitely like to have interracial sex with this woman
Buckethead
Banned
Bret Hart is a dirty Canadian that couldn't get over the fact that Shawn Michaels and Goldberg were better draws than his boring technical wrasslin.
Go watch some hockey you biiiiiiitch.
Go watch some hockey you biiiiiiitch.
