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NFL 2013 Preseason/Training Camp thread - Doritos Locos

Terry Hawthorne practiced today. Got torched twice by Wheaton on the same play.

Also, all of a sudden Steelers are stacked as fuck at ILB. Sylvester, Williams, Rolle, and about 3 others who's names I can't remember. Keith Butler the LB coach says it'll come down to special teams since they're all awesome.
 
We need to work on your possessives. It's Clowney's jockstrap, not Clowney his jockstrap. As in, that jockstrap belongs to Clowney.


I'm better than Rosetta Stone.

I laughed at this more than I should have. :jnc

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That was scary. Glad he got up and even more impressed he made the catch.
 
"Jarvis Jones is a bust" is the one making the rounds right now.

Also, "Haley is a hack". People are wishing for Arians back!
The Jones thing is funny. Let's not forget he's replacing an undrafted guy who couldn't latch on with anyone and eventually became the DPOY. If Jones can be halfway decent in his rookie year I'll be happy, but no one should assume this kid is gonna be the next great Steeler LB right out of the gate.

As for Haley... I don't want Arians back, but Haley's offense isn't clicking. Again, can't jump to conclusions in the first pre-season game, but the O last year fell apart as well. I'm not sold that Haley and Ben are the right match.
 
The Jones thing is funny. Let's not forget he's replacing an undrafted guy who couldn't latch on with anyone and eventually became the DPOY. If Jones can be halfway decent in his rookie year I'll be happy, but no one should assume this kid is gonna be the next great Steeler LB right out of the gate.

As for Haley... I don't want Arians back, but Haley's offense isn't clicking. Again, can't jump to conclusions in the first pre-season game, but the O last year fell apart as well. I'm not sold that Haley and Ben are the right match.
The thing that pisses me of about the Jones stuff is that the front office has repeatedly stated that the dude is going to need a year to get going. He has zero pass rush moves and needs to gain 20 pounds of muscle. Though like clockwork, positive camp impressions leak out and all of a sudden he's expected to start. Steelers haven't had a rook start at OLB in over 10 years!

As for Haley.. nothing is going to work without that run game. Ben is a moron who can't shut up about how much he hates Haley but if he runs the plays as they're drawn up they'll work fine, just like they did against the Steelers in SB XLIII.
 

eznark

Banned
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.co...g-real-qb-rating-cam-newton-the-jester/23785/

You should know by now that Cold, Hard Football Facts’ Real Quarterback Rating is the king of all football statistics. It is so good, in fact, that seven of the top 10 quarterbacks in Real QBR made the playoffs each of the last two seasons—including everyone in the top seven last year.

Looking at career Real QB Rating among quarterbacks drafted since 1991, Aaron Rodgers is without a doubt the king of the statistic.

Does that make him the best quarterback over the past two decades? The best quarterback ever?

Not necessarily. It's easier to pass the ball and, in general, easier to play quarterback than ever before.

But Rodgers does boast the highest Real QB Rating of any quarterback in NFL history, and quarterbacks who played before 1991 don’t even have all fumbles lost recorded—all that means is their ratings will go down if and when CHFF (or anyone for that matter) gets its hands on accurate lost fumbles totals pre-1991.

Further proving Real QB Rating is the best indicator of a quarterback’s success, note that both average quarterback win percentage and QBR steadily decrease the closer to the bottom you get.

You win when you produce a high Real QB Rating. You lose when you produce a low Real QB Rating.

Also, remember this: These stats are not just from last year, and they are not from the last two years.

These are careers over the last 22 NFL seasons. If that’s not proof that Real QB Rating has an incredibly high Correlation to Victory, better than any other indicator in football, nothing is.

There are going to be exceptions to the QBR rule on both ends, of course. For example, Cam Cam Newton is the jester of Real QB Rating.Newton ranks fifth, but he has been called “Scam Newton” by CHFF’s own Scott Kacsmar (@CaptainComeback) because of the way he fades in the clutch.

Kacsmar’s final line at the end of a brilliant piece on the former No. 1 overall pick sums Newton up perfectly:

“You cannot pretend to be Superman if all you ever do in the face of adversity is wilt under the pressure.”

That is why Newton—again, ranked fifth overall in QBR since 1991—is the jester of Real QB Rating. He is all bark and no bite.


He is the guy who would say he’s going to beat you, talk all along how bad it's going to feel when he does. But then when the time comes and he has the chance to do so, he falls on his face more often than not—he has a 2-15 record in game-winning drive opportunities, via Kacsmar.

Newton is the only quarterback in the top 13 of QBR since '91 with a losing record, at 13-19 (.409). The other 12 quarterbacks on top have a combined record of 912-528-0 (.633).

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What to watch for 2013-14: 13-time World Champion Green Bay Packers

Offense
Overview: The narrative is that the Packers, fresh off being laughed out of the playoffs two years in a row, had a "come to Jesus" moment this offseason. Pushed around by the Giants and 49ers to the combined tune of 999 yards and 82 points allowed in their last two playoff losses, the Packers are now dead-set on becoming a more physical team. So they're going to run the football more. Will this cunning strategy pay off?

Quarterback: In his 6th season as a starter and 9th season overall, Aaron Rodgers is in his prime and, at least at the moment, the undisputed best QB in football. Despite the alleged importance of the run game, the offense will go as he goes. If Rodgers gets hurt, the Packers are screwed, but just the same his backups are Graham Harrell, the soon-to-be-practice-squad'd B.J. Coleman, and VINCE YOUNG!!! The last 3 pre-season games will tell the tale for Young, who was brought in during the final week of training camp and will most likely contribute to the team only as a scout team option QB.

Running back: DuJuan Harris. Eddie Lacy. James Starks. Johnathan Franklin. Alex Green. Angelo Pease. One of the first three will start, one of the last two will likely be cut. None of Harris, Starks, and Green have demonstrated any ability to stay healthy. Lacy is a power back, Harris has quickness, Franklin has show promise as a 3rd down back, and Starks falls forward with power and grace. The Packers will still pass on 3rd and 1.

Full back: He won't contribute anything positive, but John Kuhn will stay on the roster so McCarthy can call his favorite play (FB dive for 1 yard) twice a game and infuriate Packer fans everywhere.

Wide receiver: Greg Jennings is gone -- as he was most of last year. Randall Cobb, James Jones, and Jordy Nelson look to make his loss largely irrelevant -- as they did for most of last year. As usual, there are a laundry list of obscure, talented young WRs fighting for the remaining roster spots. One of them will be a superstar, but which one?

Tight end: It's always been mental with him, but Jermichael Finley is in a contract year and the best shape of his life. He feels like the injuries are behind him, and has been working on being less of a detriment to team chemistry all offseason. So after he blows out his knee, expect DJ Williams to step in to fill the crucial role of "Packers Tight End who drops passes". Otherwise, the team seems to be shifting to a more run-blocking focused approach at this position than in years past (this my way of saying I have no idea who most of these backups are)

Offensive line: Josh Sitton and TJ Lang will hold down the fort at guard, and center Evan Dietrich-Smith will untie the sh*t out of Ndamukong Suh's shoelaces. At starting right tackle, it's a battle between Marshal "I block my guy most of the time" Newhouse, and surprise run-blocking powerhouse Don Barclay. At left tackle, Brian Bulaga is already out for the season, but luckily rookie 4th rounder David Bakhtiari is waiting in the wings! Bakhtiari will be one of the biggest stories of the Packers' season as long as he's in the lineup, both from a "will Aaron Rodgers survive?" perspective and a "will anyone figure out how to spell his name without copy/paste?" one.


Defense
Overview: 3-4, but majority of snaps will be in a 4-2 nickel with OLBs as edge rushers. The Packers did a solid job of cleaning up their weaknesses against the pass last year, and despite injuries sidelining Desmond Bishop and Charles Woodson for most of the year looked to be coming together nicely for a playoff run. They then gave up 300+ yards rushing to Colin Kaepernick and the quasi-read option. They responded by releasing the guys that were hurt and going to Texas A&M to study said read option. Will this cunning strategy pay off?

Nickel back: Last year was a transition year for the Packer defense, as rookie Casey Hayward slid into Woodson's role as slot cornerback. This is the key position in Dom Capers' system, and Hayward's ability to stay healthy and make smart, quick decisions will play a big role in deciding whether the defense regains anything close to their 2010 world championship form. No sarcasm, he's pretty good!

Corner back: Tramon Williams, Sam Shields, Davon House, and the aforementioned Hayward make for a strong squad of covermen. The biggest question with this group is health. The second biggest question is whether or not Tramon Williams will ever stand his ground in the running game again. The third biggest question is whether the team now has enough depth at this position to finally cut Jarrett Bush.

Safety: Morgan Burnett was signed to an extension in the offseason, presumably on the theory that having one decent safety in the hand is better than two good ones in the bush. Opposite Burnett, M.D. Jennings (of Touchdownterception fame) and Jerron McMillian are duking it out for the strong safety spot. McMillian is a heat-seeking missile, and for a defense that's lacked meanness over the past two years he's probably the best fit.

Inside linebacker: Desmond Bishop was cut, because who needs a good inside linebacker when you don't have any? Anyway, A.J. Hawk and Brad Jones are the starters. Hawk is adequate, Jones is unproven but potentially adequate. They're backed up by a jumble of warm bodies.

Outside linebacker: Clay Matthews is the high-motor star of the defense. Opposite him will be -- hopefully -- 2012 1st round selection Nick Perry, who after being invisible on the field for a couple weeks in his rookie season, became invisible off of it after suffering a season ending wrist injury. The Packers had some success with UDFA Dezman Moses last year as Perry's replacement. Moses is still here, as is fellow backup Andy Mulumba, who appears to be the 2013 model.

Defensive line: 2013 1st round pick defensive end Datone Jones will be asked to win some battles for a d-line that doesn't win many. In the nickel, he and the flaky B.J. Raji will take most of the snaps as the two lone (3-tech) linemen. In 'base' 3-4, Jones and Raji will move out to the 5-tech and the ageless Ryan Pickett will seek to hold down the fort inside for his 13th season. High-effort mediocrity backs up this threesome: Mike Daniels, C.J. Wilson, Mike Neal, and Mr Purple Drank Johnny Jolly back from a stay in the big house.


Special Teams
Tim Mastay will crush the balls out of the ball on punts, and fan-tormentor Mason Crosby may finally be cut in favor of rookie Giorgio Tavecchio. Starting WR Randall Cobb will begrudgingly handle punt returns until someone else proves worthy of the task.
 
The Jones thing is funny. Let's not forget he's replacing an undrafted guy who couldn't latch on with anyone and eventually became the DPOY. If Jones can be halfway decent in his rookie year I'll be happy, but no one should assume this kid is gonna be the next great Steeler LB right out of the gate.

As for Haley... I don't want Arians back, but Haley's offense isn't clicking. Again, can't jump to conclusions in the first pre-season game, but the O last year fell apart as well. I'm not sold that Haley and Ben are the right match.

Got to watch the game yesterday. Certainly wasn't impressive, but it wasn't that bad. Need to see Bell out there, but Howlings I thought did a good job, run game could be decent this year. Passing game, well, the number 1 teams just needs more reps to all get on the same page. Couple of those dropped or deflected screen passes could have flipped things. Course, a returning Heath could help both the run and passing game, but they've got to make do for now. Other than that hard to take anything definite out of the first game for the O, other than I think Barron Batch gets axed early in the cuts.

Defensively, they need a linebacker to emerge. Weather thats Woodley or one of the young guys, they'll need it. And if they have to rely on Gay as a starter, forget it, they'll be playing a lot of catchup football. But, lots of time to improve yet.

The one maddening thing is that the special teams still blow ass. Cowher, Tomlin and a billion special teams coaches, doesn't seem to matter what they do, the punting and punt return teams always suck. They haven't been good since Antwaan Randle El's rookie season.
 

bionic77

Member
I want to believe we will have a dominant o line and running game again for the first time in a decade but I have been conditioned to expect catastrophic injuries to the line in the first month.
 
Got to watch the game yesterday. Certainly wasn't impressive, but it wasn't that bad. Need to see Bell out there, but Howlings I thought did a good job, run game could be decent this year. Passing game, well, the number 1 teams just needs more reps to all get on the same page. Couple of those dropped or deflected screen passes could have flipped things. Course, a returning Heath could help both the run and passing game, but they've got to make do for now. Other than that hard to take anything definite out of the first game for the O, other than I think Barron Batch gets axed early in the cuts.

Defensively, they need a linebacker to emerge. Weather thats Woodley or one of the young guys, they'll need it. And if they have to rely on Gay as a starter, forget it, they'll be playing a lot of catchup football. But, lots of time to improve yet.

The one maddening thing is that the special teams still blow ass. Cowher, Tomlin and a billion special teams coaches, doesn't seem to matter what they do, the punting and punt return teams always suck. They haven't been good since Antwaan Randle El's rookie season.
I think when Bobby April moved on from being our ST coach we basically turned into sludge.
 
I want to believe we will have a dominant o line and running game again for the first time in a decade but I have been conditioned to expect catastrophic injuries to the line in the first month.
Right. It's frankly amazing that we got out of the 1st preseason game without any of the key starters suffering a season ending injury.
 
Im curious when Panthers fans are going to start turning on Cam

He's the best quarterback the Panthers have ever had. Delhomme had better records, but he also had better teams and played in a weaker NFC South (and NFC in general).

Thus, Panthers' fans are likely to give him a lot of leash. The calls for Rivera's head will start (have already started) well before people start saying time to get rid of Cam.
 

Tamanon

Banned
He's the best quarterback the Panthers have ever had. Delhomme had better records, but he also had better teams and played in a weaker NFC South (and NFC in general).

Thus, Panthers' fans are likely to give him a lot of leash. The calls for Rivera's head will start (have already started) well before people start saying time to get rid of Cam.

I'd say it's still pretty early to crown him better than Delhomme.
 

bionic77

Member
Right. It's frankly amazing that we got out of the 1st preseason game without any of the key starters suffering a season ending injury.
Lets not talk about it so as not to jinx it!

Lets just shit on Ben every week and salute a murderer who got away with it and maybe post an occasional shot of our fecal waste. It worked for Larry!
 

bionic77

Member
That GIF doesn't work with a black guy in it.

No Pack fans are black and no Pack fan would ever willingly touch hands with a black kid so it is clearly impossible.

Get a more realistic GIF next time. This ain't NBA Age. We have standards here (except for the Pat and Raven animals we let in).
 

Kastrioti

Persecution Complex
KAS you ready for the Great Lakes Classic Thursday?!
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Glc! Glc!

Who couldn't get excited for the tradition of two historic franchises going at it? Browns fans and Lions fans are distant cousins in the similar path our franchises. Hopefully we meet in the Superbowl so those perceptions are put to rest.

Stafford v. Weeden. Reggie Bush v. Trent Richardson. Megatron v. Joe Haden. Suh and Fairley v. Whatever the Browns have on o-line. Get hype.
 

Kave_Man

come in my shame circle
Who couldn't get excited for the tradition of two historic franchises going at it? Browns fans and Lions fans are distant cousins in the similar path our franchises. Hopefully we meet in the Superbowl so those perceptions are put to rest.

Stafford v. Weeden. Reggie Bush v. Trent Richardson. Megatron v. Joe Haden. Suh and Fairley v. Whatever the Browns have on o-line. Get hype.

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I'll allow you to apologize now before Joe "dreamboat" Thomas knocks you into the ground.
 
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