I'm a homer, but even I don't believe Cam should legit be in the MVP discussion. He's played about as well this year as he did last year, but now we have a legit defense to lean on so we're seeing more wins out of it. I think Wilson has a better/more legit shot at dethroning Manning, but yeah, if and when Manning hits 50 TDs, he'll lock up the MVP. He should have won it last year anyway, but it went to AP because people were kind of fatigued with always handing Brady/Manning/Rodgers the MVP award.
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NFL 2013 Week 14 |OT| Pure Imagination
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I'm a homer, but even I don't believe Cam should legit be in the MVP discussion. He's played about as well this year as he did last year, but now we have a legit defense to lean on so we're seeing more wins out of it. I think Wilson has a better/more legit shot at dethroning Manning, but yeah, if and when Manning hits 50 TDs, he'll lock up the MVP. He should have won it last year anyway, but it went to AP because people were kind of fatigued with always handing Brady/Manning/Rodgers the MVP award.
bionic, your thoughts?
If MVP is the award you get for fucking Bill Cartwright and Kwame Brown in the ass while they take a shower in the locker room then that sounds about right.
If it is the award you get for getting your ass kicked by Steve Kerr then that is too many. As far as I know Kerr kicked his ass on only one occasion.
DeaconKnowledge
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On the flip side, how many QB's have spent their later years chasing past glory when their team deteriorates around them? While you have a point that it's difficult to nab a franchise QB, it's also difficult for a QB to win when the team around him is shit. You and I are on opposite sides of the same coin.
slightconfuse
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Everyone ready for the Bridgewater on a pole match tonight
My point is that it is more difficult to get another franchise qb than it would be to rebuild around Ben. The reason we suck is our front office has made a ton of bad decisions in a row for the past 4 years and our coaches are not good enough to cover up for the lack in talent. Why would getting rid of Ben suddenly make those guys smarter?
Even if we got 2 first round picks I don't think it is fair value for a franchise qb. Other than getting a Football God like Bill Walsh or another franchise qb I can't think of what is an equal return to us if we trade Ben.
Chuck thinks I just trolling on this, but I subscribe to the Bill Walsh "better a year early than a year late" mantra. Ben has taken a lot of damage over the years. He has only started 16 games once in his career. The team is more than a year away. Consider it a great fortune to get 16 starts from Ben this year (if they can) and sell when his value is highest.
That's adjustable depending on what kind of money he wants in an extension, of course.
ConradCervantes
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Phew, glad Winston isn't getting charged. Florida State might not have won the national championship if so!
Obviously I don't know the whole story etc, but this always sounded more to me like the girl's family/friends pushing this thinking they could get something out of it.
PhoenixDark
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Pretty much. It's no coincidence the story started leaking the minute people started talking Heisman.
DeaconKnowledge
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I disagree on the bad decisions front. Colbert's drafting has been no worse than any of the top GM's in the league. The problem is that it's damn hard to keep a team contending when you have fat contracts from previous performers on the roster. Woodley and Worilds is a good example - which to keep? The underpforming 60 million Woodley, or the unpredictable (but cheaper) Worilds? There's only so much money to go around.
To that end, this offseason Ben is going to have to help the Steelers out or his contract will just be too great for them to work around. I said it earlier but getting rid of him is a distinct possibility. Personally I don't think the team around him is trash but if the Steelers do and they think a massive rebuild is necessary, you can bet Ben's name will be on the chopping block.
This isn't a problem unique to the Steelers. Pats, Rats, Giants, all will go through the same thing.
Do they have a choice?
Patriots won't go through that problem. For whatever draft mistakes Belichick has made the past couple of years, he's managed the cap extraordinarily well, besides, obviously, cutting Hernandez immediately and accelerating his $7m worth of bonuses into 2014. Gronk is already signed through 2017, Brady is on his last contract, and the next players up for extensions will be Devin McCourty, Shane Vereen, and Nate Solder, none of whom will break the bank and all of whom are likely to take team-friendly deals. He's also almost never done the "restructure now, feel the effects later" moves that the Steelers are being strangled by.
It's hard to believe that a girl is going to go through the ordeal of a rape kit unless she actually felt something inappropriate happened. Unless she just likes strangers poking and prodding at her nethers. But whatever, looks like a done deal.
On a different note, this would be good for an avatar bet with a Saint's fan,
I wonder how the public will treat Winston. Will they call him rapist for years like Ben or forget about it like Mark Sanchez. Its amusing that OBR and probably the rest of Browns fan are the first to still call Ben a rapist pig but are already fawning over the idea he could be theirs in 2015
DeaconKnowledge
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You have a point. Still, that's mostly because the Pats screwed the hell out of Brady for his final contract. I think the same will happen to Ben.
He was charged 0 times trollface.jpg
Do they even have a choice otherwise? I mean, they kinda get in their own way of winning.. I know kave and browns-age going to come in here after this post and be like new group will result in new results. I will believe that when i see it.
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They'd take Ben if they could given how often he's won in Ohio. He'd be their rapist then and they'd be proud of it.
The_Darkest_Red
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I'm glad Winston's career isn't ruined. Dude is fun to watch and has so much potential.
Josh Gordon is #2 in yards with Brandon Weeden, Brian Hoyer, Jason Campbell and whoever throws to him this week. Imagine his stats with Ben
Himynameischris
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We've been doing it all season, at this point I'm looking forward to it.
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
hah good point
But we didn't even punt this year tho. Unless you still think trading Trent Richardson was tanking the season.
The Browns aren't even close to being the worst team this year let alone next year. So no.
No guarantee he'll be a #1 overall selection, never know he could be there for one your usual top 10 selections
I don't think the Browns intended to tank this season but they definitely pushed their chips into the 2014 draft, by trading several 2013 draft picks into next year and trading Richardson for the 2014 1st. I was mostly joking since this draft is supposed to be fairly deep, but if Lombardi doesn't see a QB he loves in this year's draft, I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility he does the same thing again and pushes the chips to 2015.
I have josh gordon and torrey smith start in one league, and ty hilton(starting this week) pierre garcon(bench) and torrey smith (starts)in my other league. But i have bmarsh and alshon in both leagues and can only start one
The Browns will trade up to get the QB they want. ATL is the perfect team that needs to trade down to get multiple picks that would be willing to drop. Kind of a reverse Julio Jones trade
The problem is hanging onto aging and expensive talent versus moving on with new guys. Ike Taylor who's going to eat up $9M next year and be worthless vs keeping Keenan is a prime example. They have been getting rid of some pieces, namely Harrison and Hampton. But the Steelers can't have anymore of this. Ben is going to have to accept a non-Ryan contract to free up money to sign the likes of Worilds or Hood. Not that either of those guys should be particularly expensive.
It's not like the Steelers are going to spend money in free agency, so cutting Ben to save money is ridiculous. Next year, both Ike and Troy will be leaving or taking massive paycuts, leaving $15-20M in space. Heath Miller will probably be gone, also, for another $6-7M. That money will go directly to Cam and Maurkice. It's key to sign the talent that's currently on the team and draft well enough to fill in the open holes.
Imagine his stats opposite of Reggie Wayne. FML
Coldnoodle
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I'd love to have Ben as a bengal.
You'll keep your ginger and you'll like it!
According to Deacon logic everyone else on the team is awesome and Ben is holding us back.
Even a dumbass like Haley can succeed if he has a competent qb to work with.
But getting back to your point. Fuck off. Dalton is yours forever.
DeaconKnowledge
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I think this whole Rappaport thing was the Steelers manipulating Ben with the media. "You 'want to retire a Steeler' huh? Better sign a friendly deal then!"
I don't think the Steelers will cut Ben if they decide to get rid of him, but I think a trade is on the board. Get in high the next draft and be in competition for the QB that will take you to chip #7. No use doing it if that's not possible. Again though, that's why Ben's attitude is so important. Are the Steelers going to re-up with a QB who does nothing but fight any OC they bring in (and if you think he wouldn't do this shit with someone besides Haley you got another thing coming). Steelers need to know if they're going to invest in Ben for the back nine he won't spend it shitting on the decisions they make and turning in mediocre seasons as a result.
B For Bendetta
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Deacon also thinks Larry Fitz is good which is ludicrous. I mean he's okay. He's not as good as say, Brandon Gibson, but he's good enough to be the number 1 on the Cardinals
Himynameischris
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Damn...monthly meeting got held back until 12:30...i wanted my pizza 
I hope Ben signs for 10 dollars as a Steelers fan so we can waste that money on some shitty players who underperform later from day one.
But seriously you are crazy about this whole Ben thing.
DeaconKnowledge
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Steelers are 5-7. Ben Roethlisberger has played every snap.
Coldnoodle
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Never forget.
That looks photoshopped.
It's all 100% real. I promise.
Ben has played pretty damn well after the first 3 games.
I would not put the record beyond the slow start on him. I will say that if he played better in those first 3 games we might be at .500 but I don't give a fuck. Our defense has been an embarrassment against any above average qb.
But go ahead and keep on that Ben bandwagon. I will remember this in a few years when we go back to the wilderness and suck worse than the Browns.