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NFL 2013 Week 8 |OT| - Hail To The Chiefs
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Himynameischris
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http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Top-10-players-who-could-be-traded.html
lol, running out of material to find.
DeaconKnowledge
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What I don't understand is what happened to the D-Line. I remember Reese being criticized for drafting too many D-lineman, where'd they all go?
Did you watch the game? You wouldn't ask that if you did. Only reason Giants won is because the Vikings were absolutely dreadful. A slightly competent QB should be enough to beat them, much less the Eagles who have owned the Giants recently.
BlackGhost
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Houston.
That article is implying that the Eagles have a marginally good secondary, which is clearly not the case.
Himynameischris
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I did watch the game, but eagles with competent QB and good secondary? (Is Vick back? If so then ignore the QB comment)
You monster!
Get younger at QB
Futurevoid
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Dont disagree at all but his comment is likely directed more towards the secondary of the Eagles which is what I was commenting on. The Eagles aren't bringing in a "marginally good" secondary to this game. They are bringing the 31st ranked unit in the league against the pass that have shown marginal improvement recently but I find it laughable to call them "marginally good".
Not that the Giants will take advantage of the secondary anyways, cause we're even more woeful in just about every other category.
Vick is going to start, yeah.
Weeden's been through enough, good sir.
I won't stand for any more barbs or insults hurled his way. No I won't.
Himynameischris
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Ah ok well that still leaves the awful secondary.
Himynameischris
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Houston, unprecedented 10 years 200 million contract.
Futurevoid
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The interior of the defensive line is playing decently well (at times). That may not jump out considering how bad we've looked but we've got a nice mix of veteran DT's and young guys who are doing their jobs. We've got a second round pick in Hankins that can't get on the field because guys like Shaun Rogers and Patterson and healthy and doing good work (much to Giants fans annoyance because with the season being as bad as it is, I'd prefer to see what we've got in the younger guys).
The defensive ends are a mess. Justin Tuck is done as a pass rusher. He's still an excellent run defender (rated very highly on PFF in that regard) but he's got little left in the tank when it comes to getting to the QB. Kiwi is ineffective. JPP is injured. There's your DE depth. Reese banked on the old guys rekindling their abilities. Wrong decision.
So that leaves Demontre Moore who can't get on the field outside of special teams because the coaching staff doesn't play young guys if they don't have to (they'll keep trotting out old man Tuck and busted up JPP).
So there's where the defensive line is. Also, even last year myself and others were saying Reese was going to go defensive line because Osi was leaving and we were aging.
Where are you seeing that he needs surgery again? He did an interview recently where he said he will likely need a full offseason to heal from the back surgery he just had. He doesn't feel like he's near 100% right now but is trying to play through it.
One year earlier...one year later and I would have been fine...
The Bills are invested in Manuel. Don't see it happening in Buffalo.
Futurevoid
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They're referring to the decision made in this offseason. They let him play through 2012 with the back issues, etc knowing he would need surgery either this offseason or next season. He elected to get it done this offseason.
..and on that comment what depth did he let walk away? Osi? Osi did nothing in 2012. Trattou? Tracy? Ojomo? I mean, all players that have had flashes in the preseason but have done nothing when given game time opportunities. If you're going to knock him, then knock him for sticking with his old players too long and not drafting in accordance (something Colbert of the Steelers is just as guilty of as an example), not for letting fringe players walk.
Niners, for about a week and a half.
TMZ is reporting that Dan Snyder has patent the name Washington Bravehearts.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...on-redskins-become-the-washington-bravehearts
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...on-redskins-become-the-washington-bravehearts
Hail to the Bravehearts! I like it.
DeaconKnowledge
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So how much money does Tuck have on his deal? Giants are like the Steelers in that they like to get every last drop out of their players - Hampton for instance played out his deal and got extended before we let him go and his best days were behind him 3 years ago.
Futurevoid
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Tuck is done after this season. I'd be downright shocked if he's resigned. Maybe a vet minimum deal to keep him as a back-up and let him retire a Giant at best.
Kiwi has two years left on his deal but he's completely cuttable in 2015 (no significant cap savings in doing so in 2014 but look for Reese to pay cut his salary in 2014).
PanicFreak
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The Redskins should be renamed the Bullets...
Himynameischris
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I hope they have a heart on the helmet and right on the jersey where the heart is.
Spectral Glider
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Lethal Weapons would have been better.
Futurevoid
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MRI negative on Charles Johnson:
Brandon Jacobs won't play this week either most likely. The Ice Wagon, Peyton Hillis will likely be the primary back again:
Brandon Jacobs won't play this week either most likely. The Ice Wagon, Peyton Hillis will likely be the primary back again:
Hes probably trolling people. That name is horrid.
DeaconKnowledge
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You mentioned that certain Jints can't get on the field...Giants and Steelers have had a virtually identical 1 and a half seasons, but Tomlin is interjecting youth since clearly the veterans can't get it done anymore (next season the only Cowher guys on defense will be Troy and Ike, and maybe Keisel, though his deal ends this year.)
Giants are 0-6. How come Damontre Morre can't get on the field on a 1-6 team? This kind of indicates that Coughlin is just playing out the season.
That's not at all what the report you linked to says.
Grover Cleveland
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Here's a few more tweets:
Carolina Panthers ‏@Panthers 4m
Rivera says that D. Williams has bruised quad. Still has to get an MRI, but injury is not serious. Williams wanted to go back in last night.
Joe Person ‏@josephperson 5m
Rivera: Still no specific date to activate Stewart . Hope is still Atlanta.
Joe Person ‏@josephperson 9m
Rivera on Raymond James Stadium turf: I saw a lot of dirt flying up.
Wasn't sure whether turf contributed to Johnson injury.
I noticed the field myself on TV. It looked horrid
Futurevoid
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1-6 now (it was ugly but it was a win dammit!), but Coughlin has never been one to play a rookie if he doesn't have to. Pugh (a rookie) got on the field because of Diehl's injury. Diehl is back now and Pugh has retained the RT position.
Hankins played against the Eagles in the last game and had a great game because of Joseph being out. Then was sat down when Linval Joseph came back from injury. He's likely to play this weekend because Rogers is out.
Coughlin is who he is. He's extremely loyal to his coaching staff and to his vets. He's had to fire coodinators before but that has come from above him. It's a good trait but it's also a frustrating one for fans because he's apt to leave ineffective veterans in their positions because he believes they will improve. That's not him playing out the season and giving up, that's just the way he runs his ship and always has since he took over the Giants 10 years ago. I've questioned the heart of this team many times throughout the years. I've never once questioned Coughlin's.
DeaconKnowledge
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I see your point about Coughlin, but just the same they're 1-6. And it's not like the team was 12-4 last season, it was a mediocre season followed by an awful one. I get loyalty to your players (especially as a Steelers fan) but this just seems really stubborn, or driven by financial considerations.
The Eagles D is terrible and one of the worst in the league
BUT I will say at times they have shown flashes and last week did a really good job as a whole D against Romo and Dez.
If we get that sort of effort from the D, which was completely lost since Foles stunk up the place and the Eagles lost, the Giants will face a much tougher team than they did just 3 weeks ago.
Yeah saw that earlier.
It just makes no sense. Its as if all these analysts in their own head decided what the Eagles offense would look like and now that it doesn't, its failing to live up to the hype they themselves created. Chip from day 1 has said that he will run whatever his players can run or fits. He never said it would be 100% the same offense he ran in Oregon.
Its actually the best part of his coaching so far. With Reid, with pretty much the same personnel on offense, we only scored up to or more than 26 points just once. We already have scored that and more 4 times this season. So for Phil Simms or anyone to assume what the offense would be and then claim it fails to work because it doesn't look like what he thinks it should like is beyond dumb.
More thoughts on the Giants game:
I am not comfortable with this game with Vick on a bad hamstring and Barkley as the back up. Plus we haven't won at home in forever. I think the Eagles are the better team but wouldn't shock me one bit if the Giants win. I keep waiting for the Giants to have their break out performance and it could be this week. Sure they didn't look great against Minnesota but all it might take is 1 win to feel better about themselves.
Eagles will need to score early and secure at least a 10 point lead to force the Giants into mistakes. My biggest hope is that the Eagles D continues to improve and plays like it did against Romo and the Cowboys. The game was 7-3 at the end of the 3rd quarter until Foles went out.
Gotcha. Yeah Colbert and Reese have sort of dropped the ball. The two guys who have been able to consistently draft late and still build quality rosters year after year are Ozzie and Ted thompson. Curious to see which direction the two teams go in with coaches and front office, though it is possible the Steelers still win that division
DeaconKnowledge
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Not that I disagree with what you're saying in principle, but who was the last GM to successfully rebuild a championship team on the fly?