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[thefro]

Good luck Bucket :[



Nobody has said they won because of the deflation. That doesn't mean deflation didn't happen. Stupid that they can't keep themselves from cheating.

- Deflated footballs
- Illegal rugby pushes in the back by offensive linemen to get 3-4 key 3rd/4th downs
- Painting the field seemingly right before the game. The NE rbs were covered in paint on their uniforms which had to make them harder to tackle.
- The whole "let's report eligible 2 seconds before the snap" trickery, which isn't cheating but is against the spirit of the rules

 

[Sweeney Tom]

Seahawks trying to keep Lynch for at least one more year, yaaaaay

 

[eznark]

ez, can't believe you are standing up for a coach who kicked two FG's from the one yard line (one of them was more like the one inch line) and didn't let Rodgers try to ice the game on the last Packers drive. Losers lose, indeed.

I certainly see where Philbin gets it from. I guess McCarthy is just Philbin with a better QB.

I know there is plenty of blame to go around but McCarthy deserves a nice chunk of it.

They were up 15 with under 5 minutes to play. I obviously was screaming for them to go for it, they didn't and realistically it worked out exactly how McCarthy wanted it to. Packers couldn't finish. I was way more pissed off at the end of the half than at the end of the game about the field goals.

Since we're bitching with perfect hindsight vision, my problem with McCarthy's conservative gameplan was more how they called the third and fourth quarter. Went into a predictable shell and tried to milk the clock. Not their game. Choke job big time.

That said, Seattle's defense is, and played, awesome. No one is giving them enough credit.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

They were up two possessions with a few minutes to go. A whole lotta plays are more relevant to the Packers loss than settling for a few redzone field goals in the first quarter.

Like I said, plenty of blame to go around, but I'm not going to praise a coach who refuses to make a statement by going for TD's from the one yard line.

Also, Earl Thomas was out some and Sherman was hurt. Did you see Rodgers trying to attack them down the field? No, because McCarthy is a pussy. Look what NE did in the second half up big, they stepped on Indy's throat.

McCarthy played not to lose the whole game and it came back to bite him.

 

[Goro Majima]

Hi friends,

I'm going to try to keep this short before it becomes any more self-pitying and indulgent than it's already going to be, but long story short I've asked to be permed from GAF.
I'm not interested in it anymore, it's a distraction, and I invest too much time making football threads when I should be focusing on getting my life together.

It really has nothing to do with the Packers or football although that collapse was a cherry on top of shit sundae that has been the last couple months of my life, if not a perfect analogy outright.
It's more so due to the fact that I've become an irritable malcontent that wakes up hating every day and I need to figure out how to fix that for my own health and sanity. Like Godslay's boy Pey Pey, I've been playing injured, and this is as far as I can make it.

It's been a lot of fun talking shit with all of you notably Bionic, Chuck, Deacon, FMT, Pigeon may he rest in peace, DM, Bread, Bowser/Grover all y'all look alike anyway jk, RBH, Jak, Xia, and probably more people I'm forgetting. It's been fun.

I appreciate the couple of people who have given me life advice and provided a shoulder when I've needed it - Wienke, TheLegendary, and occasionally papa Ez. Endless thanks are due to Greg for being the nicest dude in the history of dudes and someone I consider a great friend.
If you're interested in catching a beer, game, or whatever down the road, you likely know where to find me. For another time.

Best of luck to Seattle in the Super Bowl, Rando deserves nice things.

Remember, bans are like glorified vacations anyway. I'll see you guys around.

-Alex

One of my favorite guys on this board

I wish all the best for you and I hope everything turns around for you. Hopefully in a couple of years you'll pop back in here or catch me on one of the many numerous gaming networks for a chat. If you ever find yourself in Houston, look me up!

 

[RellyRell28]

This thread is a trap to get me banned.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=974627&page=8

#StayingAway

Shout outs to the people posting Barry Sanders gifs in that thread tho.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

They were up 15 with under 5 minutes to play. I obviously was screaming for them to go for it, they didn't and realistically it worked out exactly how McCarthy wanted it to. Packers couldn't finish. I was way more pissed off at the end of the half than at the end of the game about the field goals.

Since we're bitching with perfect hindsight vision, my problem with McCarthy's conservative gameplan was more how they called the third and fourth quarter. Went into a predictable shell and tried to milk the clock. Not their game. Choke job big time.

That said, Seattle's defense is, and played, awesome. No one is giving them enough credit.

I know it was incredible that they choked the game away in the last five minutes but it never should have been that close to begin with. Packers should have been up 20 at the least.

Screw hindsight, I called the Packers losing the game after that second RZ field goal. That's the kind of stuff that comes back to bite you.

Seattle deserves credit for sure, but if I was a Packers fan I'd be livid with McCarthy.

 

[Draxal]

Shout outs to the people posting Barry Sanders gifs in that thread tho.

Barry is still the most fun player to watch.

 

[Grover Cleveland]

Best of luck to you Bucket.

Hope everything works out going forward

 

[jbug617]

Is it true that Bostick was suppose to be blocking instead of trying to receive the onside kick?

 

[TheContact]

Is it true that Bostick was suppose to be blocking instead of trying to receive the onside kick?

Yup. He said he reacted and tried to make a play.

 

[Goro Majima]

I will forever remember that Packers game as one of the greatest chokes I have ever seen in the NFL. I mostly blame McCarthy for his overly conservative gameplan which was simply asking for this kind of backfire, but the whole team folded in the last few minutes. Simply incredible in the worst way imaginable for Packers fans.

- The two fourth and one from the goal line FG's.

- Falling down after the INT with 5 minutes to play.

- Rodgers' terrible second INT.

- The unbelievably awful play by Clinton-Dix on the two point conversion.

- The muffed onside kick.

- The defense after the kick and in OT.

The list goes on and on and on. Simply unreal.

I feel like if Green Bay wins, you would have Seattle fans posting similar lists of fuck ups throughout that game. Overall the game was an absolute shitshow on both sides but Seattle scored touchdowns. If there are no turnovers, is Green Bay even in this game at all?

Eh, McCarthy had them up 15 points with less than 5 minutes to go in the game. Hard for me to shit on the coaches. God's Gift catches the football and it's iced.

Packers lost because of bad execution on a couple of key plays. In most instances the coaches had guys in the right spot.

Whatever, losers lose. Looking forward to a 14-2 second round loss season next year.

I think the coaching was part of the problem but I think you'd agree with me that potentially going back to Ray Rhodes or Mike Sherman while Rodgers is now in his early 30s would be the worst thing ever. So many people calling for Mike McCarthy's head and I can't wrap my head around it.

That said, they could probably get any coach they wanted with Rodgers at QB.

 

[Trey]

Like I said, plenty of blame to go around, but I'm not going to praise a coach who refuses to make a statement by going for TD's from the one yard line.

Also, Earl Thomas was out some and Sherman was hurt. Did you see Rodgers trying to attack them down the field? No, because McCarthy is a pussy. Look what NE did in the second half up big, they stepped on Indy's throat.

McCarthy played not to lose the whole game and it came back to bite him.

There is also the thing where SEA's defense is lightyears beyond IND's.

McCarthy got bit by a comedy of errors and flukes. Any one out of a half dozen plays go the Packers' way in the final few minutes and we're anointing Rodgers as the greatest of all time. It's far too easy to look at the red zone field goals as some classic coaching failure, and to me, they weren't all that relevant given all I've said already.

 

[Goro Majima]

Yup. He said he reacted and tried to make a play.

And it's kind of hard to blame him because the ball was right there. He catches that ball and not one person, not even the special teams coach, tells him he did the wrong thing.

 

[Konka]

As we go on, we remember, all the times we, had together

For Konker

Mozzarella, Goat Cheese, Ham and Pineapple.

Topped with a Swirl of Honey.

I bet Prince eats pineapple on his pizza.

So when he makes it purple rain it tastes good.

And as our lives change, come whatever, we will still be, friends forever.

Will we think about tomorrow like we think about now?

Can we survive it out there?

Can we make it somehow?

I guess I thought that this would never end

And suddenly it's like we're women and men

Will the past be a shadow that will follow us around?

Will these memories fade when I leave this town

I keep, keep thinking that it's not goodbye

Keep on thinking it's a time to fly

 

[Alligatorjandro]

We going to the ship

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

I think it's so lazy to go after a coach.

The two possessions inside Seahawks territory were after gift turnovers. Any coach in the league is going to think getting any points is money.

 

[Futurevoid]

Is it true that Bostick was suppose to be blocking instead of trying to receive the onside kick?

That appears to be the case. McCarthy said something to the effect of the right people needed to be in the right position and that didn't happen (not quoting verbatim). Though, I'll echo was others had said - its really shitty to put the brunt of the loss on Bostick.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

You are a team with an established FB, a solid o-line, and Eddie Lacy at RB. It's fourth and goal from the inch line early in the game and you call for a FG. You guys want to deflect from that be my guest but it's a pussy call that played into the final result of the game, regardless of all of the crazy stuff that happened (some of which I listed myself).

I'm not saying McCarthy should be fired but that was gutless, loser play-calling. And why was the secondary not attacked when Sherman was hurt and Thomas was out? Because you're up two scores? Well we saw how that worked out!

Maybe McCarthy isn't even the biggest party at fault but letting him off the hook for his overly conservative gameplan is just absurd to me.

 

[Futurevoid]

I'm not saying McCarthy should be fired but that was gutless, loser play-calling. And why was the secondary not attacked when Sherman was hurt and Thomas was out? Because you're up two scores? Well we saw how that worked out!

.

As a coach - you play the numbers in your head. Which scenario do you think is more likely? Grind the game clock down for the win or watch your entire team collapse in a game where you're up two scores?

I mean.....

 

[bionic77]

They were up 15 with under 5 minutes to play. I obviously was screaming for them to go for it, they didn't and realistically it worked out exactly how McCarthy wanted it to. Packers couldn't finish. I was way more pissed off at the end of the half than at the end of the game about the field goals.

Since we're bitching with perfect hindsight vision, my problem with McCarthy's conservative gameplan was more how they called the third and fourth quarter. Went into a predictable shell and tried to milk the clock. Not their game. Choke job big time.

That said, Seattle's defense is, and played, awesome. No one is giving them enough credit.

I did!

 

[eznark]

You are a team with an established FB, a solid o-line, and Eddie Lacy at RB. It's fourth and goal from the inch line early in the game and you call for a FG. You guys want to deflect from that be my guest but it's a pussy call that played into the final result of the game, regardless of all of the crazy stuff that happened (some of which I listed myself).

I'm not saying McCarthy should be fired but that was gutless, loser play-calling. And why was the secondary not attacked when Sherman was hurt and Thomas was out? Because you're up two scores? Well we saw how that worked out!

Maybe McCarthy isn't even the biggest party at fault but letting him off the hook for his overly conservative gameplan is just absurd to me.

So should they fire him and bring in a Kubiak or a Fox? Your concern trolling is fun but ultimately pointless. McCarthy is a very, very good coach. In some situations he goes for it there, in some he doesn't. He's not always conservative and he isn't always aggressive. Seems like you just haven't seen the situation enough to know he will go for it there when he feels comfortable.

I with he'd go for it more, and when Rodgers was healthy we went for it quite a bit on 4th down, but I'm not going to call for a guys head when he put them in a great position to win on the road against that defense.

 

[Milchjon]

- Deflated footballs
- Illegal rugby pushes in the back by offensive linemen to get 3-4 key 3rd/4th downs
- Painting the field seemingly right before the game. The NE rbs were covered in paint on their uniforms which had to make them harder to tackle.
- The whole "let's report eligible 2 seconds before the snap" trickery, which isn't cheating but is against the spirit of the rules

Time for a new thread in OT!

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

As a coach - you play the numbers in your head. Which scenario do you think is more likely? Grind the game clock down for the win or watch your entire team collapse in a game where you're up two scores.

I mean.....

It's not like the Sherman/Thomas stuff happened super late in the game.

Whatever, praise the coach for playing not to lose the entire game. Have fun with that while two ballsy coaches duke it out in the Super Bowl.

 

[eznark]

It's not like the Sherman/Thomas stuff happened super late in the game.

Whatever, praise the coach for playing not to lose the entire game. Have fun with that while two ballsy coaches duke it out in the Super Bowl.

That 4th down punt with 8 minutes left, super ballsy!

(your attempt at imitation is super adorable though!)

 

[Goro Majima]

You are a team with an established FB, a solid o-line, and Eddie Lacy at RB. It's fourth and goal from the inch line early in the game and you call for a FG. You guys want to deflect from that be my guest but it's a pussy call that played into the final result of the game, regardless of all of the crazy stuff that happened (some of which I listed myself).

I'm not saying McCarthy should be fired but that was gutless, loser play-calling. And why was the secondary not attacked when Sherman was hurt and Thomas was out? Because you're up two scores? Well we saw how that worked out!

Maybe McCarthy isn't even the biggest party at fault but letting him off the hook for his overly conservative gameplan is just absurd to me.

There's a big difference between firing a coach and holding him accountable. I'm not sure taking away play calling is the solution or if they should give Rodgers more ability to audible. Do we give it to Tom Clements?

Past that, there's not much you can do other than letting him off the hook ultimately.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

I don't understand how deflated balls would get past the referees

 

[Shamrock7r]

I don't understand how deflated balls would get past the referees

You don't understand how the current nfl referees could miss something?

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

I'm talking about YOU GUYS letting him off the hook, not the Packers brass. I already said firing him would be stupid.

That 4th down punt with 8 minutes left, super ballsy!

(your attempt at imitation is super adorable though!)

Yes, that was one exception and I disagreed with Pete there. However he was much more aggressive throughout the game overall.

 

[eznark]

There's a big difference between firing a coach and holding him accountable. I'm not sure taking away play calling is the solution or if they should give Rodgers more ability to audible. Do we give it to Tom Clements?

Past that, there's not much you can do other than letting him off the hook ultimately.

Highest scoring team in football and we're going to change the playcalling structure.

ok!

 

[Futurevoid]

It's not like the Sherman/Thomas stuff happened super late in the game.

Whatever, praise the coach for playing not to lose the entire game. Have fun with that while two ballsy coaches duke it out in the Super Bowl.

Well, I'm not exactly praising the situation. Just looking at it from a realistic standpoint of a coach playing the numbers game in his head.

I personally feel that McCarthy should have been more aggressive early on in the game. Specifically on that second turnover but it is what it is. They were still up two scores with five minutes left in the game. There were coaching failures but then there were plenty of /player/ failures that fucked the Packers in that game.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

You don't understand how the current nfl referees could miss something?

You would think they could tell the difference in balls

 

[Trey]

I dunno TDR. Sure you want to execute and blow the doors wide open, but that game was always closer than the score indicated. It's easier said than done, and on paper and hindsight don't mean shit. You're up two possessions in the late stages, every team in history is minimizing their mistakes and forcing the opposition to rely on flukes to win (which is what happened to the Packers).

You can criticize the redzone FGs because on paper it's easy to do, but the fact of the matter is that they were in a commanding lead with them. You can't retroactively change early possessions to make your point because it literally changes the game fundamentally. Those FGs are TDs, perhaps Seattle responds with TD drives of their own instead of throwing interceptions. The logic just doesn't work out, and the reality is that the Packers were up two possessions with five or six minutes to go.

You can't ask for a much better position than that in a championship game. You say the Packers should have been up 20, I say the Seahawks shouldn't have gifted the Packers glorious field position for an entire half. We're back to square one.

 

[bionic77]

I don't understand how deflated balls would get past the referees

It obviously didn't as they caught them doing it.

 

[LevelNth]

Seahawks trying to keep Lynch for at least one more year, yaaaaay

Prime said it best late last night, and frankly keeping Lynch isn't enough. He said if they pay Wilson $120m+ this offseason and don't give anything at all to Lynch (or worse, let the cutting rumors still continue) it's going to tear the locker room up.

Personally I don't think it'll be as bad as that cause that team has a lot of me-first guys who've already been paid, but without Lynch, yesterday's game would've been a joke.

When Wussle is asked to carry an offense, he's just as bad as Kap.

Anyways, I also don't blame McCarthy for that loss, that line of thinking to me is absurd. The blame goes squarely on Clinton-Dix, which is a shame after the great game he had. The effort on that 2pt was the most pathetic display I've ever seen in the NFL in almost 30 years of watching.

Still can't believe how epic that collapse was. Will be talked about for years upon years.

 

[njean777]

My question is wouldn't deflated balls help the other team also?

 

[Alligatorjandro]

It obviously didn't as they caught them doing it.

When did they catch them doing it?

 

[bionic77]

Red stop playing monday morning qb.

If the Packers had been more aggressive and it resulted in a turnover or losing out on 3 sure points than everyone would be crucifying the coach for going for it.

That game was not lost by coaching. It came down to Seattles defense keeping their team in it (which is mind blowing considering the play of their qb, at one point I think he had like 50 yards and 4 INTs before that final 3 minute barrage and going into OT). And lastly it came down to a fluke play on a onside kick (of which the kick was amazing).

Don't examine it further than that broseph!

 

[eznark]

My question is wouldn't deflated balls help the other team also?

Andrew Luck has big, strong man hands. Tom Brady is a female (who probably spent all week practicing with the illegal balls)

 

[LJ11]

I think it's so lazy to go after a coach.

The two possessions inside Seahawks territory were after gift turnovers. Any coach in the league is going to think getting any points is money.

I do agree with ez, players just didn't make plays, they were in the right spots but just made bad decisions/plays, as a coach you can't control any of that.

You can't give McCarthy a pass however on being thankful that he netted 6 points. Probably had over a 50 percent chance of punching it in on 4th and almost nothing. Should have been more aggressive early in the game, it's really worth it considering you had them backed up if you failed.

 

[teruterubozu]

The only deflated balls were attached to the Colts.

 

[bionic77]

When did they catch them doing it?

It is my understanding that they took the ball out during the game to weigh it.

I am guessing that the refs thought something was amiss to do that.

 

[Sanjuro]

When did they catch them doing it?

Ziggy Kravitz tweeted about it.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

It is my understanding that they took the ball out during the game to weigh it.

I am guessing that the refs thought something was amiss to do that.

That was a k ball they switched out

 

[bionic77]

I do agree with ez, players just didn't make plays, they were in the right spots but just made bad decisions/plays, as a coach you can't control any of that.

You can't give McCarthy a pass however on being thankful that he netted 6 points. Probably had over a 50 percent chance of punching it in on 4th and almost nothing. Should have been more aggressive early in the game, it's really worth it considering you had them backed up if you failed.

The same people that shit on him for not going for it would have said he was a moron for going for it with a gimpy qb if they didn't get it.

Especially with how poorly Wussle was playing.

Sitting back and letting him win the game for them looked like a pretty damn valid strategy for 55 minutes...

 

[bionic77]

That was a k ball they switched out

Where there is smoke there is fire.

Where there are strap ons, well you know the rest.

 

[thefro]

Time for a new thread in OT!

They probably would have kicked the Colts' butts without that stuff but it definitely would have been a closer game.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

When did I place all of the blame on McCarthy? How am I playing Monday Morning QB?

I think McCarthy called an overly conservative game and I said it would cost them during the game after the second RZ field goal. I'm just further discussing that sentiment.

The Packers as a team collapsed in epic fashion, there is no doubt about that. I already said as much. I just think McCarthy deserves some of the blame, didn't think that was such a wild opinion.

 

[Sweeney Tom]

When did they catch them doing it?

3rd quarter they stopped to weigh the ball and switched it out during kickoff

 

[LJ11]

The same people that shit on him for not going for it would have said he was a moron for going for it with a gimpy qb if they didn't get it.

Especially with how poorly Wussle was playing.

Sitting back and letting him win the game for them looked like a pretty damn valid strategy for 55 minutes...

The mass media are morons, they'll shit on you regardless, but anyone with a brain should agree with a decision to go for it in that situation, reward outweighs risk.