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NFL 2014 Week 4 |OT| Hell is Empty and All The Devils Are Here

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msdstc

Incredibly Naive
Trey said:
No. Moss is like...Charles Barkley. Super talented, never won anything.
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Moss is more like Jordan in terms of Talent. He had all the tools to break every record, but an absolute lack of heart/drive. His hands and athleticism is literally something we've never seen outside of him.
 
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Godslay

Banned
msdstc said:
Moss is more like Jordan in terms of Talent. He had all the tools to break every record, but an absolute lack of heart/drive. His hands and athleticism is literally something we've never seen outside of him.
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Jordan was manically driven though. It was arguably his greatest trait. Not to mention the Pistons turned him into a heartless destroyer. Which trumps having a heart to begin with.
 
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Trey

Member
msdstc said:
Moss is more like Jordan in terms of Talent. He had all the tools to break every record, but an absolute lack of heart/drive. His hands and athleticism is literally something we've never seen outside of him.
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Jordan is known for his drive. Moss is A1 talent but is frequently associated with laziness. He's top 3 WR ever, but he's not Jordan's analogue because he doesn't exhibit Jordan's most identifiable traits: winning, hyper competitive, insane work ethic.
 
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JABEE

Member
msdstc said:
You're an idiot then, because every other team was doing the exact same thing. Take that away and they're all at the same level. The 5 superbowls are all seperated by 3-4 points, that's a fieldgoal in most cases. Each game came down to the final seconds. The later teams in the patriots didn't have enough to make the crucial stop, this was symbolic with the tyree catch over Rodney. He didn't even have enough left to jar that helmet catch loose. Bill failed to put together a competent defense since then.
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I don't think there is evidence that everyone was doing the same thing. The evidence against the Pats was burned by Goodell, so we will never know the full extent of their cheating.
 
M

msdstc

Incredibly Naive
Godslay said:
Jordan was manically driven though. It was arguably his greatest trait. Not to mention the Pistons turned him into a heartless destroyer. Which trumps having a heart to begin with.
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Trey said:
Jordan is known for his drive. Moss is A1 talent but is frequently associated with laziness. He's top 3 WR ever, but he's not Jordan's analogue because he doesn't exhibit Jordan's most identifiable traits: winning, hyper competitive, insane work ethic.
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That's why I said Talent Wise. Jordan had the combination of Moss Talent, with that monster drive. Randy could've held all the records or mind blowing numbers, had he pushed himself the way Jordan did.
 
G

Godslay

Banned
msdstc said:
That's why I said Talent Wise. Jordan had the combination of Moss Talent, with that monster drive. Randy could've held all the records or mind blowing numbers, had he pushed himself the way Jordan did.
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Possibly, he's still dependent on someone delivering him the ball so part of the equation was out of his hands.
 
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ShaneB

Member
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M

msdstc

Incredibly Naive
JABEE said:
I don't think there is evidence that everyone was doing the same thing. The evidence against the Pats was burned by Goodell, so we will never know the full extent of their cheating.
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There's plenty of evidence of other teams cheating in the same fashion. THe cowboys got caught hijacking other teams frequencies. The Broncos 2 superbowl teams got caught AND fined the most a team has ever been fined for salary tampering to stack their team otherwise they couldn't have both elway and davis. On top of that they got caught taping the chargers practices.

edit- you also say "evidence". The only "evidence" that has actually materialized against the patriots for cheating was from eric mangini being bitter that he lost. THat was one game in 07. If you want to play the actual evidence game, sure take away 1 win the patriots have in their entire history. Everything else is heresay. If we go by heresay you can take away the ravens championship- pretty clear Ray Lewis and Suggs were juicing, along with everyone else on that team, not to mention Ray lewis covered up what he did. How about the entire steelers dynasty in the 70s? How about the undefeated dolphins who suffered major punishments for tampering in order to land one of the greatest coaches of all time? I'll say it again, anybody who actually believes the spygate nonesense its either bitter or not credible as a sports fan. You're probably a bit of both given the fact taht your team lost to the patriots. You can blame that on McRib being a historical choke artist (throwing up in the huddle), and TO breaking his leg.
 
C

Cooter

Lacks the power of instantaneous movement
I'm glad Alex got a shot somewhere else. He got screwed over big time in SF. Stand up guy.

Charles looks fresh!
 
J

JABEE

Member
msdstc said:
There's plenty of evidence of other teams cheating in the same fashion. THe cowboys got caught hijacking other teams frequencies. The Broncos 2 superbowl teams got caught AND fined the most a team has ever been fined for salary tampering to stack their team otherwise they couldn't have both elway and davis. On top of that they got caught taping the chargers practices.
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The Giants were accused of listening too, but the Pats were filming everything. They cheated. They got caught. Their dynasty is tainted.
 
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zychi

Banned
JABEE said:
I don't think there is evidence that everyone was doing the same thing. The evidence against the Pats was burned by Goodell, so we will never know the full extent of their cheating.
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You do know that nfl teams swap practice and gameday film right? You do know each team sends a scout to the opposing team's practices?

You do know that most teams keep 99% of the plays, hand signals and audible calls they setup in summer? Its why Sea knew what Den was calling before they even snapped the ball 6 months after the season started?

You still have to execute in order to win.
 
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