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NFL 2014 Week 6 |OT| The League of Frauds

BigAT

Member
So discarding outliers is number manipulation?

Uh....yes. That's precisely what it is. You call his average "skewed" because it doesn't fit your narrative.

But even under your more favorable stats, Geno's still a full 6 points higher than Tebow.
 

Bowser

Member
harpoon_octoberfest_beer.jpg


Mmmm...

What's everyone drinking this dreary Saturday afternoon?!
 

jakncoke

Banned
harpoon_octoberfest_beer.jpg


Mmmm...

What's everyone drinking this dreary Saturday afternoon?!

The place i had a trouble with today recently got some harpoon pumpkin cider. Today im drink some ithaca flower power, some southern tier and had 2 24 oz cans of smirnoff black watermelon
 

Godslay

Banned
So you'd rather have Tebow than Flynn?

As a backup. Absolutely.

Three reasons.

1. The season is likely over anyways if your backup is playing for an extended amount of time. The drop off from the starter is likely to be great, so at that point it doesn't really matter. Does it matter if Stanton, Vick, Clausen, Flynn, Whitehurst, Mallet, Bray, Orlovsky, Cassel, Gabbert, Moore, McCown, Gradkowski, etc. come in? Tebow is likely as good as most of that crowd, if you take into consideration that the run game is supplemented while the pass game suffers slightly (but not a lot looking over that list). I'll give a pass to rookies or guys waiting to develop, as they should likely start over Tebow in that case.

2. You are overvaluing your backup QB. If you have a decent starter, then they devalue even more. That spot becomes either an emergency position, or if the starter is nearing the end, a waiting in the wings training position. In this scenario, backups probably have the least amount of value.

If you don't have a decent starter, then you'd probably want some journeyman to fill the spot while you cycle through draft picks. Or even start the rookie and let the journeyman help him out. In this case the backup QB is a bit more valuable, but not by much.

Being the #2 is exactly that. You aren't worth much until your number is called, and not everyone is Kurt Warner.

3. This one is more personal, but it was entertaining to watch that team with Tebow at the helm. They were still a decent team in need of a good QB to take that next step, but I'll be damned if it wasn't fun to watch and be a part of. I doubt one could say that for Flynn.
 

Godslay

Banned
Uh....yes. That's precisely what it is. You call his average "skewed" because it doesn't fit your narrative.

But even under your more favorable stats, Geno's still a full 6 points higher than Tebow.

Larger sample size in 16 games (55%) last year tells me that he's closer to 54%, then he is to 58% with two games were he shit the bed 33% and one were he played well 88%.

If it was a larger sample size, then those would not likely matter and I'd bet his average still hovers around the 55% mark.

Not to mention the fact that he is wildly inconsistent.

Will the curse Tebow put on New England ever lift?

In comparison to Denver and the Jets, we didn't humiliate him, at least.

Your QB punted on a Tebow led team. A special hell awaits you!
 

Godslay

Banned
Great, that's all I needed. Wish you had started with that.

The argument was predicated on Tebow as a backup.

Obviously depends on the situation in reality. If we had say Luck at the helm, I'd put whoever behind him. It doesn't matter much. In the Broncos situation currently, it makes sense to have a project like Brock in that spot. If we had nobody there, I'd bring in someone like an Orton/Fitz to keep a warm body in the starter spot until someone surpasses them. I'd keep drafting QBs, until they did. It's always in flux, unless you get a franchise guy.
 

jakncoke

Banned
Remember all those years Colts just ran Jim Sorgi as a backup even though he was a bum. I wonder how much money he made just sitting on the bench and running the scout team.
 

ShaneB

Member
Just saw Gone Girl

Holy shit that was unsettling

Indeed. Crazy stuff. I was thinking about the book for a long while after I finished it.

Had a crappy morning where I didn't want to get out of bed and didn't until noon, and got off my lazy ass and went out and got the gym. Now back in time to relax with some hockey/baseball/college football/etc
 

jWILL253

Banned
I don't see how anyone can objectively say Andrew Luck is better than Russell Wilson, considering Wilson beats him in almost every category that matters other than yardage, and is way more efficient overall.

Casserly is an idiot...
 

DMczaf

Member
I don't see how anyone can objectively say Andrew Luck is better than Russell Wilson, considering Wilson beats him in almost every category that matters other than yardage, and is way more efficient overall.

Casserly is an idiot...

Andrew Luck has intangibles that Russell Wilson just does not possess.
 

Bread

Banned
I don't see how anyone can objectively say Andrew Luck is better than Russell Wilson, considering Wilson beats him in almost every category that matters other than yardage, and is way more efficient overall.

Casserly is an idiot...
Give the Seahawks a beast like Trent truck and Russell's stats probably get better too, Luck is overrated and has been held up by that beastly running game.
 

Konka

Banned
I don't see how anyone can objectively say Andrew Luck is better than Russell Wilson, considering Wilson beats him in almost every category that matters other than yardage, and is way more efficient overall.

Casserly is an idiot...

Seahawks would be a better team with Luck.
 

rando14

Member
Seahawks would be a completely different type of team if we had Luck, so hypothetically placing him into this current system doesn't make any sense.
 

DMczaf

Member
DID YOU KNOW

Trent Truck
's career rushing total
is on track to pass Adrian Peterson's 2000 yard season from 2012!

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TRENT TRUCK!
 

jWILL253

Banned
Because that variable is totally independent of the team around him.

Yes, it actually is.

Tom Brady has a shit set of skill players around him, yet he doesn't lead the NFL in INT's thrown like Luck does.

Hell, it's even worse because the AFC South is the worst division in football, defensively; it's JJ Watt and everyone else. Yet, Luck still manages to outdo Geno Smith in the INT category. Wilson faces Top 5 defenses 6 times a year, and he still shines...
 
Seahawks would be a better team with Luck.

I'm not 100% sure they would be, at least not as currently constructed. I don't think you could simply drop Luck into Seattle and they would play the same way but better, because Bevell has built that offense in a way uniquely suits Wussy's skillset.

At the same time, I'm not sure the Colts could play the same way with Wussy at the helm rather than Luck.

@jWILL, 80% of Luck's picks are when he feels he has to take risks to get the offense moving. Good chance he doesn't feel as compelled to throw those if he knew he had the best defense in the league waiting on the bench.
 

Trey

Member
DID YOU KNOW

Trent Truck
's career rushing total
is on track to pass Adrian Peterson's 2000 yard season from 2012!

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TRENT TRUCK!

I've seen plenty of mediocre running backs, but Trent Richardson seems to be a special brand of terrible. He goes down so easily. It's fascinating, mostly because he's not bogging down my team.
 
No way we win the SB with Luck last year.

I've seen plenty of mediocre running backs, but Trent Richardson seems to be a specialist brand of terrible. It's fascinating, mostly because he's not bogging down my team.

Only 2 people have a worst YPC average for 500+ carries, and they were both FB. So yea worst RB YPC of all time with 500+ carries.
 

Konka

Banned
Give the Seahawks a beast like Trent truck and Russell's stats probably get better too, Luck is overrated and has been held up by that beastly running game.

All Trent Truck does is win....that's all he does.

I'm not 100% sure they would be, at least not as currently constructed. I don't think you could simply drop Luck into Seattle and they would play the same way but better, because Fewell has built that offense in a way uniquely suits Wussy's skillset.

At the same time, I'm not sure the Colts could play the same way with Wussy at the helm rather than Luck.

@jWILL, 80% of Luck's picks are when he feels he has to take risks to get the offense moving. Good chance he doesn't feel as compelled to throw those if he knew he had the best defense in the league waiting on the bench.

Well yeah. I mean I think that I think Andrew Luck has a higher ceiling than Wilson if you build the team around him. Not just drag and drop.
 
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