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NFL 2015 CC |OT| - A Fraud's Penultimate Step
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BaltimoreLarry
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Ravens basically did this with Perriman.
Except they had no idea going into the pick that he'd miss the season.
Also, the team later collapsed and could have used a 1st round wide receiver weapon.
skLaFarebear
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I agree. I'm not the biggest Howie supporter, but I doubt Lurie would keep him around if he was that much of a problem.
Who is worst girl?
Dark is beautiful!
Except when it comes to message board backgrounds. Just looks tacky to me.
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If I was Denver, and I think Godslay would agree with me, I would all week practice like normal and have Manning as the starter...then come Sunday I'd have Brock start. It would cause chaos and totally fuck up the Pats game plan. I hope this doesn't happen because I'd rather Manning play, but it's what I would do if I was Denver.
You would have your starting QB not take starting reps in practice during the lead up to your most important game of the season?
I actually think that this situation is fairly unique and might have lended itself to some sort of a split, if done correctly (I have no idea how, but I would've been open to the idea), but it's way too late for it at this point. Osweiler was destroyed by Kubiak in week 17.
Plus, the Pats have already seen Osweiler.
Nah, you don't do that to Peyton. If they're down by more than 14 heading into the fourth or14 by the half then say Peyton has an injury and can't return. Brock has the time to study the opposing team for three quarters or a half at least at that point and should be able come off the bench to at least perform better than Peyton.
Don't worry Broncos fans because I believe in you. PLS SAVE US FROM ANOTHER CHEATRIOT SUPER BOWL GAME.
I think that eznark would appreciate this call.
DeKappa
Patrick Peterson aside, why the fuck were the Cardinals bringing an all out blitz instead of covering everyone going into the end zone? They left Janis alone like he was invisible.
DeKappa
Patrick Peterson aside, why the fuck were the Cardinals bringing an all out blitz instead of covering everyone going into the end zone? They left Janis alone like he was invisible.
DUFFMCWALIN
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You ain't my president.
Beautiful.
Sorry no Brock would practice/split reps, I meant more Broncos would say all week Manning is the starter, then just pull a switcheroo at the start of the game.
yankeehater
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Oh a bunch of players and the idiot owner. I thought you were saying other front office guys. The Eagles have had multiple front office guys leave during Howies reign. Howie is an accountant who lucked his way into a position of power that he clearly doesnt deserve. I have no doubt that there were 9ers players that didnt like Harbs, hell I bet every HC upsets some players just by the nature of their position. As far as the Eagles not having a QB, Bradford had a very good season last year all things considered and even if the Eagles couldnt work out a long term deal for him they could always tag him.
As far as proof that coaches dont want to come here because of Howie there have been a lot of articles lately about that very thing. Here is just one:
NFL executive says Jeffrey Lurie fails to see Howie Roseman is holding the Eagles back:
Last but not least the fact that Dragon agrees with you on something should be proof enough that you are in the wrong.
Agreed. That YAC! What a play.
The Albatross
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Agreed. The dark reminds me of a website from like 2003. Or an Alienware computer. Also much more difficult to mask at work.
I think New England will be prepared for this. Not just as a "Denver might do something like this" sort of thing, but also if Manning gets hurt or has a really bad start, there's always a chance he could be pulled. They also prepared for Brock earlier this year.
andthebeatgoeson
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After all of this, Lurie looks like the problem. I would have assumed Howie got the boot but it looks like he will keep rolling with him.
Lurie isn't close but he's moving in the direction of Snyder and Jerry as reasons a team isn't doing well. Not as interested in winning.
Junior Asparagus
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yankeehater
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I totally agree about him not caring about winning. Even during the press conference to fire Chip he talks about wanting the team to be a family and stupid shit like that. How about you want the team to win Jeffery, fuck all that warm and fuzzy crap.
The Albatross
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As a Patriots fan I disavow this comment and strike it from the record.
Brady has never had that kind of mobility and the ability to throw deep, with accuracy, on the move. Rodgers flicks his wrist and can toss it 40+ yards. Even in Brady's best downfield season, 2007, he never did anything like either of those two throws... Which are two of the best throws in NFL history.
NE radio/TV press are horrible. I'm actually surprised there's a negative article about the broncos. If you listen to sports talk radio around here (which you shouldn't), then it's been 19 weeks of how the Patriots are terrible and should lose every game, and how every bad throw by Brady is proof that he's done, the team is lousy, and belichick is over-rated. I used to listen to one station, 98.5 the Sports Hub, but they've realized that just going hard negative on the Patriots, Bruins, and Red Sox in every show means they get more listeners and more aggressive callers, which means more listeners.
It's brutal
The only segments I really like now are when Toucher & Rich (morning non-sports guys) usually have the radio guy from whatever city the Patriot's are playing that week and it's a good discussion.
There is something to be said for chemistry and continuity within an offense. Manning's chemistry and timing with WRs is very important. To play musical chairs doesn't help the Broncos offense at this point, especially with Brock nursing a knee injury for about a week and half and missing practices.
If he gets hurt, or starts throwing picks, then sure bench him. Otherwise I'm okay with Manning starting again. On second watch, I actually felt he played fairly well. The timing was a little bit off, there weren't many shots down the field, and the guys dropped a ton of balls. That should get better this week, maybe aside from downfield shots, simply because it will be another week where the Manning and the WRs have readjusted to him and the ball he throws.
I'd love to throw a wrench like that, but building a gameplan is a process so to abandon all that work feels like it would be counterproductive.
Andy turned out to be alright but the issue is Andy has limitations which were on full display this past weekend in the Chiefs loss to the Patriots. Same weaknesses he had year 1 and now year 17 of his coaching career.
There is a reason why after McNabb was let go and they had no answer at QB, D-coordinator, and talent overall, everything fell apart. Andy couldn't coach the talent up beyond their level. Letting Reid go was the right move for all involved.
The reason Pederson is so infuriating is not that he is a relative unknown, which you pointed out Reid was as well, its that he is directly from Reid. Not even from his tree, but basically a product of Reid in every sense of the word. So only 3 years removed from an era, successful as it may have been, that FAILED, the organization comes across scared, clueless, and almost running back to familiar shelter.
But this time, unlike with Reid, there is no plan (Reid was famous for his binder), Pederson was the 3-4th choice, and this seems more like a move to get back to comfort rather than win. Why revert back to what ultimately didn't work? They don't even have a top 5 pick in a QB friendly draft.
I didn't want Chip fired, but accepting that he was let go, the organization should move forward by bringing in new guys, ideas, and philosophies. Not basically run back to and over turn their own decision to fire Reid.
So yeah as fans all we can do is wait and see but every indication and report about this "coaching search" reeks of desperation lack of real design on where to go next.
Pats offense is going to with their usual death by 1000 cuts against DEN.
Chip away, and then there's a big play here and there. Now that Juls is back, they don't need to panic and push the ball downfield unless it's needed in that given situation. Plus the Pats have some good pass protection going on.
I wonder if Kubes will channel his old school time of possession approach, that ironically, he's tried against Peyton a few times back in the day.
I'd love for Tammy and the Pats to lose after those emails in the off season about PeyPey (even though it's kind of true) would be hilarious. PeyPey vs Tammy, one last time!
Chip away, and then there's a big play here and there. Now that Juls is back, they don't need to panic and push the ball downfield unless it's needed in that given situation. Plus the Pats have some good pass protection going on.
I wonder if Kubes will channel his old school time of possession approach, that ironically, he's tried against Peyton a few times back in the day.
I'd love for Tammy and the Pats to lose after those emails in the off season about PeyPey (even though it's kind of true) would be hilarious. PeyPey vs Tammy, one last time!
The real match up is Denver running game vs Pats D.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUGj5qQFnnc
Brady had momentum, but he throws it almost 70 yards in the air in the SB.
XiaNaphryz
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The Cleveland cycle continues...
You serious? Please read any # of Eagles beat writers who have covered the team for 10 years plus.
Almost all recount how dysfunctional the Eagles FO has been since Roseman rose to power.
He is linked to the ousting of Banner (who was a childhood friend of Lurie), instrumental in convincing Reid to trade or let go of key players (McNabb/Dawkins- a year too early in both cases), and in-fighting in the FO which led to talented and league wide respected personnel guys to leave such as Marc Ross, Jason Licht, Louis Riddick, Tom Gamble, and now Chip and Ed.
He is also the one who according to reports, wouldn't provide scouting tapes or reports to Tom Gamble who Chip had brought over from SF (you know the FO that helped Harbaugh with his staff), so they couldn't form their decisions based on scout reports.
Roseman's inability to get along with coaches and FO personnel is pretty well documented and it pre-dates Chip.
In fact Chip is the only one who sort of made a power play and survived at first by ousting and banishing Howie to another dept in the FO. Of course Lurie, who loved Howie for some odd reason, kept Howie close enough that it came back to bite Chip.
Lurie needed to fire Howie after he fired Tom Gamble without discussing it with Chip. Chip threatened to leave and then Lurie caved into his demands. At that point you either let Chip go to retain Howie or you let Howie go to retain Chip. He kept both and it blew up in his face.
Now the Eagles coaching search seems to have netted a candidate so vanilla that he will restore the family environment Lurie wants and be the yes man Howie looks for.
EDIT: forgot to add Sean McDermott. Word is they didn't even bother to interview him cause he and Howie don't get along. Howie also recently fired his brother who worked in the Eagles marketing dept.
Rodgers makes that throw
Of course he would. Just disagreeing with Albatross. Brady never had the most accurate deep ball but he did have an arm.
10+ minute TD drives or RIOT.
It could be worse. At least you guys have a franchise QB.
They must have two faces then. Everyone I've heard that has come on Denver radio to discuss the game pretty much states otherwise.
The most salient point is that they are happy they get to play Peyton instead of Ben even if they have to travel to Denver. Because he's basically a pushover.
They have a better QB than the Broncos, and with Edelman and Gronk they don't think that the Denver defense can stop them at all. Especially after playing the KC defense.
The defense is good enough to stop any run game, and supposedly gets better since Chandler Jones won't get as many snaps. Additionally Manning won't be able to hit intermediate or deeper routes.
I have yet to hear one analyst say that Denver could actually win, that is from the NE market. One guy basically said (Masseroti(sp)), if Denver was to pull off an unlikely win then he would blame it on Belichick for fucking up the game in Denver, and blowing games against Philadelphia with garbage ST and the game in Miami for not taking them seriously and coming in with a garbage gameplan. Basically saying he busted the season by giving up homefield.
Realistically, I don't care what the analyst say. They very well could be right. That's fine. The arrogance is pretty funny though, but it's how it works in NE. There's no in between. It's either heaven or hell.
I don't think Lurie is the problem in that he only cares about making more money.
He genuinely wants to win. He hit a home run with Reid and he got so comfortable and so used to that for 14 seasons, that any departure and the subsequent turbulence has sent him running scared back to Reid and plucking one of his dingleberries to coach the Eagles now.
Problem is Lurie has put his trust in the wrong person. Howie. What I really want to know is what he sees in him. He has no Football background and yet time and time again Lurie wants him to lead the team as GM.
I really don't get it. And when he fired Chip he said he made Chip GM to make him accountable for all he wanted to do. Ok fine and then you fired him. Even ignoring the Howie stuff, say Chip hung himself to dry and rightfully so got fired.
Now what? Already he won't clarify who holds the GM title (though we know its Howie) and so moving forward we won't know who the fans or media should hold accountable for the moves that don't work. Quick to blame Chip but now its back to ambiguous titles and roles which helps Howie remain unaccountable.
The Albatross
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There wasn't anything that was really bad in that email (or text?) about Peyton though... I think Brady said Peyton has "2 years left in him" or something, which heck, based on how Peyton played this year I think that's being generous to him.
TamTam also went way out of his way to apologize to Manning over it and Manning was like, ain't nothing to apologize for.
Mackenzie 92
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I completely agree for the most part. It was wrong to let Chip go this early, especially without a backup plan. This search has been a disaster, and I'm very wary of Roseman and Lurie right now, and I don't have a great feeling about where we're moving. Pederson was not our top choice, and I don't have a ton of faith in him. The hire does reek of cowardice and trying to get back to the Andy years I agree with that too. We should've cleaned house but we didn't.
That being said, I'm not going to trash Pederson until he at least coaches a game. I don't have hope, but he's never been in this position. He may thrive who knows? And we have a young D with a lot of talent, and with Schwartz (potentially?) coming, that'll bolster our defense. That will allow Doug to focus on the offense. Going back to the Andy years isn't what I want, especially from a HC candidate who no one else was trying to court. But we have to work with what we got. I'll at least see how FA + the draft goes and how they decide to build the team before criticizing the move.
Alright there's something!
That article includes exactly one quote from an unnamed NFL front office type and the rest is speculation and conjecture. I mean, look at this bullshit Rube just pulled out of his ass:
Sorry if I don't take that all that seriously.
And he tries to make the point that Roseman's rise to power coincides with the Eagles lack of playoff wins. But guess what else coincides with the Eagles lack of playoff wins? The lack of a proven QB. This is a QB driven league and without one you are always going to be "adrift" and "irrelevant". Much more so than if you have a guy in the front office who tends to ruffle people's feathers.
Eagles fans need to stop worrying so much about who is behind the desk in the GM's office and worry a lot more about who is behind center.
Yeah that's pretty much what I expect too. It's incredible how much of a total lack of a running game doesn't hurt them because they are so precise on short routes. It's not ideal, but it works incredibly well.
You mention pass protection. I think have Edelman back is actually huge in that regard. No team has been able to cover both Edelman and Gronk off the line without leaving huge spaces wide open. Watching Sunday, Brady was getting the ball out quick, which really helps protection.
Will be interesting to see how much Denver blitzes.
I'm a bit nervous about Denver's running attack, but not too much. They ran for, what, 170 yards last time and the Pats had the game in control generally. They really started picking up huge chunks when Hightower went out, and Collins didn't play either.
That play was so electric live.
I think Brady's deep ball issues get overblown. He's merely league average to good at it though, not great by any means. He's actually completed a few beauties this year. I think it comes down to when Brady was throwing deep to Stallworth and Moss he looked awesome, when he's throwing deep to the likes of Reche Caldwell, Amendola and Matthew Slater, not so much.
But no, obviously he can't make that play like Rodgers did. He would've spiked the ball, though. I'm willing to live with Brady's deep ball throwing if that is his greatest weakness.
Also, Rodgers is incredible.
I mean, I generally agree with the bolded, except the line about Jones, unless specifically talking about run D.
There's plenty of in between, but Boston sports radio is a disaster generally speaking. What you say here isn't too wrong.
There's plenty of middle ground with Boston sports fans, just not on sports radio.
Wellington
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Anyone in Giants-GAF interested in going to London for the game? My buddy who I normally do away games once a year with is having his first baby this summer - but I really want to go to this game. All my other friends suck.
I'll buy two game tix now and figure it out later i guess
I'll buy two game tix now and figure it out later i guess
Maybe you can find Wes while you're there!
Has nothing to do with arrogance. Boston media loves to play both sides of the fence. Every team the Pats play they shit on. If the Pats win they were right, and if the Pats lose they get to shit on the Pats for loosing to a team they should have beat. It's the same song and dance over and over again. Don't know why posters who have been around long enough even take them seriously. You should know better by now Godslay.
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